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Old     (hudd007)      Join Date: May 2006       07-06-2006, 3:57 PM Reply   
I have a CWB flame and have been riding with Fins. I can almost clear the wake heelside but suck on toeside.
I'm going to take the fins off this weekend and give it a shot but am just curious as to thoughts and the number of people finless.
Old     (antbug)      Join Date: Jul 2004       07-06-2006, 4:13 PM Reply   
Dude I'm not trying to be a dick, but you can't even go wake to wake and you want to ride finless. Get your fundamentals down 1st and then take that step a year or two down the line. I know a lot of good riders that ride with fins. I don't know why everyone wants to ride finless so fast.
Old     (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       07-06-2006, 4:18 PM Reply   
bug, don't you know? it's the cool thing to do!
Old     (wakeeater2003)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-06-2006, 4:24 PM Reply   
Just depends on the board. My girlfriend learned on an 03 premier finless and I don't think it hurt her progression on bit. I think it might even teach you better edging because you cannot rely on fin so much. Just my thoughts later, mike

O yeah I ride finless and I think I am super cool!
Old     (ozwest)      Join Date: May 2006       07-06-2006, 4:39 PM Reply   
I love my fins...helps me swim better.
Old     (rascal23)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-06-2006, 4:45 PM Reply   
Ant Bug - Do you ride with all the fins on your LF fish?
Old     (brick)      Join Date: Nov 2003       07-06-2006, 5:01 PM Reply   
Absolute without fins.
Old     (wakeforce139)      Join Date: Jan 2004       07-06-2006, 5:01 PM Reply   
I ride with my two cupped fins only on my LF Team, I like the looser feel of it. I tried riding a board with fins and it's a huge difference, I feel locked-in with the fins now after riding without them for 2 years.
Old     (ghostrider_2)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-06-2006, 5:25 PM Reply   
here's the question are/do you consider molded in fins finless?
Old     (troyl)      Join Date: Feb 2002       07-06-2006, 6:50 PM Reply   
Kenny is on to it. Riding an absolute finless is the same as a 3DS with .7 fins.

That question really only relates to individual boards.
Old     (wakekid72501)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-06-2006, 7:51 PM Reply   
I ride usually with two but last weekend I tried with one and it worked.
Old     (alanp)      Join Date: Apr 2001       07-06-2006, 8:03 PM Reply   
bro leave your fins on. you have no reason for taking them off now. once you can edge correctly with them, then try your board without them. when you ride without fins you have to be spot on with your riding. they correct alot of mistakes and generally are much more helpful than hindering. leave em on
Old     (shellyrn)      Join Date: May 2006       07-06-2006, 8:55 PM Reply   
Old     (addictedchick)      Join Date: Jan 2005       07-06-2006, 9:46 PM Reply   
I took my fins off two seasona ago and I wil never go back. I love the fact htat my board isn't tight in the eater and I can spin it super easily. I ride a 131 belmont - and it is the
s$%t w/o the center fin
Old     (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       07-06-2006, 10:01 PM Reply   
01 byerly finless, with no fins naturally
Old     (cadethockey10)      Join Date: May 2006       07-06-2006, 11:15 PM Reply   
would u recommend doing the same w/ a '00 Byerly?
Old     (ktmwakeboarder)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-07-2006, 12:34 AM Reply   
I agree with Mike in that riding finless does actually help teach you to edge properly, and helps technique. You don't just try to turn your hips, and then try to make the fins track and turn the board... you gotta lean.

I ride with my fins (Absolute Platinum)
Old    kaleybug91            07-07-2006, 12:49 AM Reply   
i ride without my fins because if i have them on i cant even do a surface 180!!!! fins can help especially for beginners becuse they keep you from sliding around so beginners should use fins--experienced riders--no way!!!!
Old     (apogee)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-07-2006, 3:23 AM Reply   
im riding a 05 premier w/ no fins- its different at first but you get use to it. it all depends on your comfort level and ridinig ability.
Old     (kickasskel)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-07-2006, 6:41 AM Reply   
I ride the Watson without the center fin and love it. I'm not an advanced rider but I agree that riding finless has helped me with my edging a lot. I don't think I will go back~
Old     (woohoo)      Join Date: Jun 2006       07-07-2006, 7:17 AM Reply   
I ride an 05 freemotion and I took the fins off and it made a huge difference. It made edging a lot easier and I had more fun finless.
Old     (wkbrdr)      Join Date: Jan 2006       07-07-2006, 10:04 AM Reply   
i ride a marius w/0 fins
Old     (wakeboardnut)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-07-2006, 10:11 AM Reply   
2nd season, im still riding with a centre fin, but it is a smaller one now than my first board.

but ive also yet to even try finless.
Old     (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       07-07-2006, 10:43 AM Reply   
Sean are you riding the 1.9 fins that come with the Flame? If so I would say to go down to the 1 inch or .75 inch absolute fins, that way it wont lock in as hard as the 1.9s but you will still have more of a locked in feel then riding the board with just the molded fins. IMO the 1.9s are just to big for a board with molded in fins.
Old    jay_23            07-07-2006, 10:48 AM Reply   
LF team with finzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
Old     (antbug)      Join Date: Jul 2004       07-07-2006, 10:49 AM Reply   
Greg ~ Yes, I ride both my boards with fins. I took them of the fish one day and put them right back on. I'm not the greatest rider and need my fins, but it's just crazy to me that everyone wants to ride finless.

Mike ~ I know you rip and your girl is pretty good too, but do you really think a new rider that can't even go wake to wake should be riding finless? I was talking to Andrew Adkinson at the wake games about his new board and he said at home playing around he rides finless, in a comp he rides with fins. Why do you think he as a pro wakeboarder does that? I'm not saying everyone should, but it's like a cool trend to ride finless and I think it's stupid.
Old     (woohoo)      Join Date: Jun 2006       07-07-2006, 10:51 AM Reply   
Is it a cool trend to ride finless? I just took them off because I like riding looser the fins made me feel to locked in for comfort.
Old     (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-07-2006, 10:52 AM Reply   
I ride my Absolute Platinum with only the molded side fins. I prefer the loose ride. A also ride a Marius without the center fin. It's not recommended for beginners but once you get the feeling of edging and can clear both wakes I say take the fins off, until then I believe its better to have the additional control and drive fins offer.
Old     (wakeeater2003)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-07-2006, 10:59 AM Reply   
Ant I am not saying every board should be ridden finless, but some boards are designed that way. I believe in some cases (certain boards such as 2003 premier) you can progress faster without a fin because it will teach u proper edging technique. You will not rely on fin and learn how to edge properly.
Ashley rips it now but when she started riding with me she could not clear the wake and she rode finless. If you look at her edging now it is very technically correct. I wish I had the fundamentals that she has. So I would say you can progress without the fins. Just my thoughts, BCP Mike
Old     (rascal23)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-07-2006, 12:56 PM Reply   
Ant Bug - I was just curious because I recently picked up a 129 fish and have not had the time to experiment with it. I did not want to remove them just because I ride my Substance with out a center fin. Thanks.
Old     (just_board)      Join Date: Jul 2005       07-07-2006, 1:07 PM Reply   
i ride with all the fins on my fish!
Old     (ldr)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-07-2006, 1:18 PM Reply   
I wakeskate finless and love it. I have a 05 dup Delta 140 with 2 1" fins per side and the next time I ride I'm going to take them off. Even with the little 1 inchers I feel too locked in. I love the feeling of riding the wakeskate finless and I'm trying to duplicate it with my wakeboard.

I too believe that beginners rely way too much on fins. They may not have as much success staying up in the beginning riding finless but they sure will learn their fundamentals earlier.
Old     (stanfield)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-07-2006, 1:30 PM Reply   
I didn't know riding without center fins was such a poser thing now-a-days. Fortunately I'm only a poser sometimes and I suck so the point is moot.

Fish = w/ fins
Substance = w/o center fin
TFD = w/ .7's
Roam = you figure that one out
Old     (hudd007)      Join Date: May 2006       07-07-2006, 3:28 PM Reply   

Yeah the fins are huge. I didn't know I could buy smaller fins for CWB. I might try that. The only reason I was thinking of taking them off was because I have a hard time doing surface tricks because my fins always catch.
Old     (hudd007)      Join Date: May 2006       07-07-2006, 4:25 PM Reply   
Picked up some 1 inch fins for this weekend. Thanks Jeff. I'll give them a shot Sunday and post back this weekend.
Old     (antbug)      Join Date: Jul 2004       07-07-2006, 4:26 PM Reply   
Sean ~ I have the same board as you, but mine is the 04 Absolute (same shape) and I ride it with the platinum fins. They are the .75's. My board came with 1.3 and I got the smaller ones. With either of these two fins you will be able to do surface tricks with no problem. If your board if fact has a 1.9 fin, that's a little big and I see why you are having a problem.
Old     (hdrew)      Join Date: Sep 2004       07-07-2006, 5:16 PM Reply   
Anyone riding the LF litmus finless?
Old     (waterboy3)      Join Date: Feb 2006       07-07-2006, 5:32 PM Reply   
i ride the 04 premier w/o, im a fan of the molded fins
Old     (mbrown)      Join Date: May 2005       07-08-2006, 12:53 AM Reply   
Absolute finless- I still don't know why I even rode with fins in the first place, I could have been having a lot more fun.

Depending on the board, I think fins only help the very beginners then they begin to hurt, IMO.
Old     (attila916)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-08-2006, 10:24 AM Reply   
Do little tiny fins count?
I ride my trip without the center fins.
Old     (kylielogan)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-08-2006, 11:50 AM Reply   
Recently changed out the center fins on my Double Up from 2.4 (I think) to 1.2 and loved the change. I didn't realize how much energy I was expending even just getting over the wake with the huge fins. But I actually just bought a Hyperlite Blur with 2 outside 1.1 fins and think I'll like it better. If the Blur works, I would definitely give no fins a try after awhile, something I would never attempt on my DU. P.S. I think I'm cool with or w/o fins, cuz I'm a girl who rides!!

(Message edited by kylielogan on July 08, 2006)
Old    chief_johnson            07-08-2006, 12:49 PM Reply   
I ride my 05 absolute finless. Way, WAY, WAY to sticky with fins.

Finless FTW.
Old     (dudeman)      Join Date: Mar 2005       07-08-2006, 12:51 PM Reply   
Antbug, I also have the '04 141 lute. Are the fins 1.9? I know they are huge so I took them off but I do need something on there. Where can I get a set of .75's?
Old     (ghostrider_2)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-08-2006, 3:18 PM Reply   
like my early post molded or not? Its just the the age old question what rope lenght and boat speed?
Old     (buzz_grande)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-08-2006, 10:19 PM Reply   
I ride my 04 Absolute and my 06 Marius finless. Only way to go, IMO.
Old     (fbricard)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-09-2006, 1:46 AM Reply   
I ride both my Obrien Valhalla and HL Parks with all fins on. Note, the Valhalla has about 10 fins all up if you include the molded in ones, that said, they are all small lil buggers at 0.5".
Old     (big_b)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-09-2006, 7:38 AM Reply   
on my hype premier i go finless. i like the loose feel for butterslides, but the molded fins are enough to still have total control
Old     (westsidarider)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-09-2006, 10:25 AM Reply   
no fins, no channels. just edges. ROAMIN baby
Old    m_farrar            07-09-2006, 10:42 AM Reply   
Finless baby!! Took the center fins off my Team 143, now I'm in heaven. Talked the wife into doing the same on her Team 130, now she's doing surface 360's. The only way to go!
Old     (hudd007)      Join Date: May 2006       07-10-2006, 5:22 PM Reply   
Thanks all. I didn't get to ride the smaller fins. I left them at home when we got out. Damn I knew I should have put them on that night. I'll try them this weekend.

Ant, glad you could see where I was coming from.


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