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Old    ponchevez            05-04-2005, 2:00 PM Reply   
Can somebody please tell me what the rope length should be for beginners? Thank you
Old    drewsky24            05-04-2005, 2:51 PM Reply   
i learned on a 75ft.
Old     (sloshake)      Join Date: Mar 2003       05-04-2005, 2:54 PM Reply   
Just to get people up, the shortest you can attached to a tower creates a great angle that pops you right up!

But in general start with with a short length till you can go w2w, then increase it in increments once you are able to go w2w (and a little beyond preferrably) at each length.
Old     (thane_dogg)      Join Date: Jun 2002       05-04-2005, 4:46 PM Reply   
what Gerald said is good, but I would say if the beginner isn't trying to clear the wake then you could put 'em at 100 feet. When we teach kids to wakeboard we usually put 'em really far back, then when they want to start jumping and clearing the wake, we pull 'em almost all the way in.
Old     (wake_upppp)      Join Date: Nov 2003       05-04-2005, 5:14 PM Reply   
100 feet?? What?? Yeah, put the beginners back in the curling over whitewash, they'll learn really fast back there!!
Old     (thane_dogg)      Join Date: Jun 2002       05-04-2005, 6:51 PM Reply   
yo bro, that's past the white wash.

pardon the exaggeration.
Old     (addictedchick)      Join Date: Jan 2005       05-04-2005, 10:35 PM Reply   
I learned at 65 feet. I popped right up in a few tries.
Old     (wakehound)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-05-2005, 9:30 AM Reply   
I like starting new people out a little farther. There's always going to be that one person who will try to clear the wake their first time out, and I don't want them casing the wake and hurting themselves.

It also depends on how wide your wake is. My Sanger wake stays narrow farther back than my buddys Supreme for instance.
Old     (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       05-05-2005, 10:01 AM Reply   
Wakes are all 19.5 degrees wide, at least that's what Lord Kelvin said.

Doesn't matter if your a aircraft carrier, Sanger, Supreme or duck!

Ships and 19.5 wakes

Small Boat

Duck 19.5 Wake
Old    wickedwake            05-05-2005, 10:05 AM Reply   
Old    ponchevez            05-05-2005, 10:20 AM Reply   
What about to start jumping?
Old    wickedwake            05-05-2005, 11:31 AM Reply   
Start jumping?

Do you mean W2W or just one wake?

One wake, we start em out a little further back, that way they can jump one wake without worrying about the other wake, and you have more room in the middle to practice "hop out" drills.

W2W: Really just depends on the boat/speed, but We give them 60 ft until than can clear the wake, and then just keep feeding them line as they progress.

Just keep the boat speed way down until they learn some board control mainly. Ive seen a lot of people that start out being pulled to fast (25!) eat crap a few times and then say "to heck with wakeboarding." Just keep it fun
Old     (wakehound)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-06-2005, 9:42 AM Reply   
So Edward, does that mean that the wake 75' behind that aircraft carrier is the same width as my Sanger???

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-06-2005, 9:50 AM Reply   
he means they displace at the same angle.
Old     (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       05-06-2005, 7:20 PM Reply   
Right same angle, the aircraft carrier is a bit longer than a typical Sanger so itís wake starts before yours and is wider by the time it clears the transom (I think thatís what is going on). I suppose there could be a similar length issue when comparing wake board boat, boat-wakes, but I doubt is would effect the wake width much.

Thereís a lot of on-line wake shape discussion and rightly so since itís what make boarding so much fun and since some of us are paying dearly for it, some more than others. I was looking for a little more information on the dynamics of it all. I haven't found much, but what I have found is that the subject looks complicated - the more you learn the more that you realize that you don't know.

Glad to hear I entertained.

Old     (wakehound)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-09-2005, 11:55 AM Reply   
J-Rod do you think it's the same angle on the X-Star hull? I really don't know, but I'm guessing individual hull designs would affect that angle. Also, once you start dealing with a wider boat, the wake width will be affected, which was my point.

angle != width

Sorry if I came off harsh Edward, I had a bad Friday. Please accept my apology.
Old     (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       05-09-2005, 12:32 PM Reply   
Every boat does NOT put off 19.5 degrees on the wake,nor duck or anything else for that matter.

Perfect example.....Like Mark B said The new X star can not tell me that it is at 19.5 degrees angle and if the x star is...the other boats are not.

Lord Kevin lied to you!LOL
Old     (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       05-09-2005, 7:17 PM Reply   
It's not the hull it's the water. The water under an X-star isn't any different than the water under a duck. The wake angle is a function of the fluid not the boat. I'll stick with Lord Kelvin on this one.

Go boating in the Dead Sea, salt lake, a pool of cooking oil or pool of beer and the wake angle should change, sounds like a frat party. :-)
Old     (hamkj)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-09-2005, 11:14 PM Reply   
After teaching numerous youngsters... 4-10 yrs old... and some older riders 50-60 yrs old... I recommend light weight young riders an 80ft rope... they pop out of the water as it is... if they struggle.. then I shorten the rope.. just for the simple fact I can give instructions clearly from the boat... the longer rope softens the falls... and allows them to cut out further and give them a more gradual approach and land between the wakes and time to recover before going over the other wake... as they progess... then I go to the shortest length so they can start going wake to wake....

For larger or heavier riders... I shorten the rope to pop them out of the water quicker... and then the learning curve for jumping is the same... long.... then short....
Old     (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       05-09-2005, 11:22 PM Reply   
that didn't make any sense.


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