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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-05-2018, 12:54 PM Reply   
I’m looking at buying a new Chevy Silverado 1500 4 x 4 . Right now Chevy is offering almost $2000 off if you purchase a truck with “Eassist”. I know absolutely nothing about this option other than. It’s a small electric motor that adds a minute amount of torque and horsepower. I’m comfortable and very familiar with hybrid’s but Chevys version has me cautious. The extra horsepower and torque is nice but at what price, for long-term ownership. This truck is going to be a vehicle that stays at the lake and pretty much goes up and down the ramp to put the boat in the water it’s not going to get a lot of miles and I was worried about having a 10+ -year-old truck with low miles and a bad battery ?

P.S
What are your thoughts on the Z 71 (Painted Grill) version VS the LTZ (chrome grill) version.
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Old     (drnate)      Join Date: Jul 2006       09-05-2018, 4:01 PM Reply   
This may be a better question for the Chevrolet forums. Buy a Cummins . jkjk
Old     (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       09-05-2018, 5:30 PM Reply   
no clue about the e-assist, but def go with the painted grill/z71 package!
Old     (CALIV210)      Join Date: Jun 2015       09-06-2018, 8:27 AM Reply   
Sorry to say it but I wouldnt buy anything gas powered from GM. They have engine issues with the newer trucks and the Active Fuel Management Its a huge issue . The bigger problem is the fact GM is notorious for turning their backs on customers .
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       09-06-2018, 10:21 AM Reply   
Batteries don't last 10 years....
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-06-2018, 12:25 PM Reply   
I agree: if I was gonna be using the truck as a daily driver I could see it as a advantage but this could be the last truck I get? And my thought is that if I get something, I don’t wanna have a truck with 30k mikes on it thats like 10 years old but has a stupid bunk battery.
Old     (davez71)      Join Date: Oct 2007       09-06-2018, 1:12 PM Reply   
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Sorry to say it but I wouldnt buy anything gas powered from GM. They have engine issues with the newer trucks and the Active Fuel Management Its a huge issue . The bigger problem is the fact GM is notorious for turning their backs on customers .
GM gas engines with AFM have no more problems than the Ford Ecoboost engines.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       09-06-2018, 2:21 PM Reply   
https://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/top...-with-eassist/
looks like its been an option since 2016. most don't like it, especially for short, stop and go situations, like yours
Old     (Surfer101)      Join Date: Oct 2015       09-06-2018, 10:22 PM Reply   
Painted grill for sure! If it’s not a daily just get a tried and proven reliable v8 and call it done.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-06-2018, 10:26 PM Reply   
^^^^^tjatscwhat I’m thinking
Old     (getssum)      Join Date: Jul 2005       09-10-2018, 12:25 PM Reply   
As I've got to know you over the years from your posts on here, I definitely don't see you jumping at the chrome grille version, Grant!

Now is a great time to buy an "old" model year truck, as the 2019's are beginning to hit the lots and the 2018's from Dodge and GM are the older generation. Ford has been having a bit of a price war as well.

I wouldn't be too concerned with the E-assist being good or bad, and the extra 2k off completely offsets the cost of the 1,125 E assist motor.

Either motor will be more than enough to pull your boats out of the water at Tulloch, no problem at all.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-11-2018, 7:57 AM Reply   
Yes: I’m gonna get a LTZ- With the Z71 package. The top of the line LTZ is only like 6k more then the LT truck I was looking at, but now pickings are getting slimmer, with the 19s coming in and the 18s being discounted it’s getting harder and harder to exactly what I want.
Old     (CALIV210)      Join Date: Jun 2015       09-18-2018, 7:53 AM Reply   
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GM gas engines with AFM have no more problems than the Ford Ecoboost engines.
Maybe they do maybe they dont. Im not a fan of either at this point .lol
My AFM engine and the 3 of my friends with AFM engines have nothing but issues . One lunched the engine at 90k miles which to me is crazy these things should run up 200k easy . Very rough idling due to the crap lifters the AFM uses and the fact they all consume a ton of oil . You can negate the oil consumption if you deactivate the AFM with good tuning or the little dongle that plugs into the OBD port and deactivates it . My issue is GM sucks and doesn't take very good care of the customers . I've always been a gm guy they always look much better then the competition but since the LB7 days with the duramax injectors and the rest of the short comings they refuse to stand behind im turned off .
Old     (bass10after)      Join Date: Feb 2010       09-18-2018, 10:25 PM Reply   
if it was me i wouldn't shy away from the e assist, seems like worst case is you tune it out, or just doesn't work. My cousin had a problem with their afm and the other didnt same year tahoes bought within weeks of each other in 07 in first year it came out.. i have heard they're oil thirsty. a little thread derailment, but if have to pick my poison its still going to be gm. I always buy gmc trucks and gmc or cadillac suv, although i doubt theres a difference vs chevy version they have been nothing but rock solid for me. 150k on 97 suburban, 140+k on an 03 esv, 130+ on my 08 duramax- currently at 60k on our 15 yukon and 170k on my 00 3/4 ton 6.0 sierra ranch truck that gets hammered in dirt and idles a ton and just keeps truckin... I have no place in my garage for a v6 truck and dodge isn't even on my radar until they get to 3/4 ton. i'd still take a dmax over cummins in that category... although the gap is closer than miles apart.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       09-19-2018, 12:15 PM Reply   
I bought a new GM Sierra 1500 in 2011. It was in the shop 1-2 times a year for failed sensors. Highly frustrating. About once every 6 months the truck would go into limp mode and I would take it to the dealer. The same throttle position sensor was replaced many times and GM told me that it wasn't power train, so I paid. I finally bought a tuner to delete the code and keep driving since the sensor actually wasn't bad. I won't buy another GM.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-19-2018, 4:42 PM Reply   
I bought a Chevy 1500 4X4 LTZ-Z71 So far Im super happy with it, Man I thought my 2008 Chevy LT fine. This new truck is SO much nicer.
Old     (bass10after)      Join Date: Feb 2010       09-19-2018, 10:32 PM Reply   
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I bought a Chevy 1500 4X4 LTZ-Z71 So far Im super happy with it, Man I thought my 2008 Chevy LT fine. This new truck is SO much nicer.
i agree, big jump up in comfort from the 08 style to the current (up to 2018) so much quiter and seats are a HUGE step up in comfort imo too.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-17-2018, 6:06 PM Reply   
So here are some pic’s of my New truck. After 1000 miles I decided Wanted some new wheels. The dealer wanted a rediclous amount of $ for nice factory wheels so I just went with the stock 18’s. I found a guy that gets brand new Factory GM take offs. These factory GM 22 inch wheels had Pressure sencors and brand new tires on them. He took my stock wheels in on trade with cash. I pulled up 15 mins later I had 4 new tires & wheels all programmed and down the road.
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Old     (onetogofast)      Join Date: Jun 2012       11-18-2018, 6:47 AM Reply   
Nice!!!
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-18-2018, 8:32 AM Reply   
Now I need a leveling kit. Anyone have any advise?
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       11-19-2018, 12:20 PM Reply   
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Now I need a leveling kit. Anyone have any advise?
I put the leveling kit on my half ton GMC that was a spacer on top of the strut. It changed the suspension geometry of course and the truck forever road horribly, even after changing shocks. Lot of bounce in the front end and the rebound was uncomfortable. I'd recommend NOT doing it that way. Maybe others can recommend a better solution.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-19-2018, 1:14 PM Reply   
Jarod: Thanks for your reply. How much of a shock /Strut spacer did your 1/2 Ton require? I think they recommend a 2 to a 2-1/2 spacer for my truck. Just wondering if you had a larger spacer and if that could have been the diff.

Hey stupid question. Why are all stock Chevys high in the back? Why don’t they sit level from the factory?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-19-2018, 1:57 PM Reply   
You might consider this. It also answers your question about the rear end height.

https://www.atptrucks.com/articles/r...ing-stock-keys
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-19-2018, 5:48 PM Reply   
^^ That artical talks about adjusting the torsion bars, not sure my truck even has thoes? The Leveling keys or adjusting them UP sounds like it makes it not ride so nice.
Old     (bass10after)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-19-2018, 11:34 PM Reply   
my rec would be same as jarods... leveling kit in my duramax made it just about unbearable those would be the tortion bars mentioned in the article. Trust me if you have a dmax you do not want to go that route if ride is of remote concern. I do not believe the 1500 has them. I Did a 2.5" leveling kit in our 15 yukon slt which would be similar to your truck. I second the changing of the geometry. It makes the truck too neutral when any sort of load is put in the back/hooked up to a boat and I noticed right away the handling and ride was off. The best way to describe it when hooked to our boat was that the front end felt light, and way too high with how low it sagged in rear. (i do not have the autoride/self leveling suspension-another mistake) I ended up only keeping in the bottom shim of a 2.5" kit which is maybe a 1/4- 1/2" and it was a good compromise. The top spacer is much thicker. The thickness of the the shims isn't equal to the height i believe because of the angles etc. It softened the rake enough to my eye but returned the handling and ride and no longer feels sketchy towing the boat.

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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-20-2018, 12:05 AM Reply   
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^^ That artical talks about adjusting the torsion bars, not sure my truck even has thoes? The Leveling keys or adjusting them UP sounds like it makes it not ride so nice.
Yeah I did it in my 2001 Chevy gasser 3/4 ton with zero issues, but just realized you drive a women's 1/2 ton. Sorry for your loss. LOL JK

You do get points for the snazzy new wheels though. How bout leave the truck alone now if it's just a lake house truck? It's cool enough. We all know you're a big nerd anyway. Quit posing.

Kidding aside, once you level or lift something, you gotta adjust those headlights. Otherwise you could get a PO'd po po stopping you to ask why your headlights "are burning out his retinas" like I once did. Good thing my son was driving that time...
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-20-2018, 6:32 AM Reply   
I have Rancho quick lift for 2" of lift up front and 2" blocks in the back on my 2014 GMC 1500. I think it rides fine. You don't have torsion bars so no point compairing it to a duramax leveling kit. On my last truck I had 2.5" leveling and a 1.5 body lift. Which is the same route I'm going to go with the new truck. But the new truck sit some much higher than my old 2008 denali. I really wouldn't want to go more than that. 1.5 body lift really helps and nobody even knows you have a body lift on. It comes with brackets for bumper relocation. It only took a few hours to put on by myself.

The new truck came with the 17" rims and they got to go!!!!
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Old     (buffalow)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-20-2018, 7:45 AM Reply   
Hey Grant - I have 2015 Sierra 2500 gasser that I am just getting ready to sell. I had the leveling kit done and modesto and thing drives awesome. No issues at all with the living kit and bigger wheels.

Shoot me your rim guy for the knockoffs. My wife bought a new Yukon over the weekend and wants stock wheels but not at that money,

Congrats on the new rig!
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-20-2018, 8:16 AM Reply   
2500 has different suspension than a 1500. It uses torsion bars, there are now torsion keys on 1500's. You have to use a spacer or a new strut.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-20-2018, 8:21 AM Reply   
Jason: Alvarez Motor sports (Danny) +1 (650) 229-5222 all the wheels he deals with are Factory wheels, I don’t know if you meant to say “Take offs “ or “Knockoffs “
Old     (tre)      Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: WI       11-21-2018, 4:45 PM Reply   
Nice truck Grant. I can't believe what a difference the new wheels make. The truck looks 1000x better with your new wheels. Nice choice
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-22-2018, 10:28 AM Reply   
Here were some of my wheel options 20 inc Factory GM wheel
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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-22-2018, 10:29 AM Reply   
20 inc Factory Dodge wheel.
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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-22-2018, 10:31 AM Reply   
22 inch Factory GM wheel. These are from a GMC Denali
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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-22-2018, 10:34 AM Reply   
22 Factory GM wheel.
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Old     (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       11-22-2018, 1:30 PM Reply   
Iiroc Look for the win. Denali would've been my second choice. Insides of the wheel painted black would look good on the Denali's.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-22-2018, 3:27 PM Reply   
While we are on the Subject of wheels what’s everyone’s opinion on “Factory Replicas” my buddy’s that “wheel up” every car they drive say the Replicas are just fine? I see some awesome deals on Factory Replicas. 22 or 24 in Texans look pretty cool. Example this guys is asking $1000 for 4 tires and wheels
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Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-23-2018, 11:11 AM Reply   
I put a 2.5 inch leveling kit on my ecodiesel and didn’t notice any negative handling or ride issues. It was a disc style spacer that went on the top of the strut.
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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-23-2018, 11:36 AM Reply   
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While we are on the Subject of wheels what’s everyone’s opinion on “Factory Replicas” my buddy’s that “wheel up” every car they drive say the Replicas are just fine? I see some awesome deals on Factory Replicas. 22 or 24 in Texans look pretty cool. Example this guys is asking $1000 for 4 tires and wheels
That’s a good question. I say it depends. It’s really on a case by case basis. Some look as good or better than stock and some look like Hellen Keller designed them. Then there’s the issue of weight, strength and how well they’re built. About 12 years ago, I put some M6 replicas on my wife’s BMW 530 and loved them. Shortly after that, there were a few other companies that made a very similar wheel, but nowhere near as nice as the color was off. Again, it’s case by case.
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-26-2018, 7:51 AM Reply   
Why not just buy some after market wheels. There are 1000's of choices. If you buy factory knock off's your just going to look like every other Chevy out there.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-26-2018, 10:43 AM Reply   
Good point: this is just my opinion. But the stock wheels don’t seem to
Be as trendy and have a longer shelf life then the factory wheels. Example Rock Star wheels, they were the rage 5+ years ago. I also think resale on a truck with Factory 20s is more then with aftermarket
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-26-2018, 1:56 PM Reply   
I see where your coming from. I guess when I pick after market rims. I try and pick rims that won't fade out as quick as rims like Rock star's. I called it back when they came out. They where the Affliction of after market rims. My douche bag brother in-law was a prime example of that.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-26-2018, 4:46 PM Reply   
Chevy has some pretty cool wheels IMO. The Texans ( the machined face with black insert wheels ) I posted above are factory design wheel that the after market company’s knocked off and made larger. I think the largest Texan wheel you could get only came on the SS truck and only in a 22. They now make them in 24 and even 26. The wheels I originally wanted were the GM factory “Snowflake”. They are a great looking wheel for a stock wheel.
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Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-27-2018, 12:15 AM Reply   
Funny thing is if you would have posted that pic two-three years ago, we would have blown you up, saying that truck was a ghetto donk. Now? Seems normal if not edgy. I like it. Guess it helps release my inner ghetto. LOL I'm wondering how that style could ever transfer to a full-size 8 lug 4X4 (real truck) wheel.
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-27-2018, 6:57 AM Reply   
Now I like it like that. It's just enough to not look like any old grandpa truck but still looks really clean.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-27-2018, 8:41 AM Reply   
I don’t know if I made it clear but the wheels above on the Red GMC are GM Factory “Replicas” (snowflakes to be exact) I’m pretty sure they are 24s I “THINK” the largest GM factory wheel right now is a 22.

It’s funny. 22 are the New 20’s seems like every truck has to have 22’s just to look some what normal . Then in my opinion once you start getting larger then 22 you start to heading into dark water. I admit some of the taller wheels with the smaller profile wheels look good but then I think ride and functionality start to suffer.

On my search for new wheels you know how many 24 and 26 inch wheels with super thin tires you can find in the for sale section’s ? And for super cheep! LOTS! Wheels that if they were 22 inch with a 50 series tire they would be sold. You find Lott’s!


I guess that tells you somthing. People buy wheels based on looks and then after a few thousand miles of driving around on them they say “NO THANKS.” In my opinion is a delicate balance you want your ride to look cool but you don’t wanna be bouncing down the road and constantly reminded of your bad wheel choice. That was one of my reasons for going with factory wheels. I figured if GM had put in the R&D to make and equip cars and trucks with these wheels and offer a 100k mile warranty they couldn’t be half bad.

Also having a tire and wheel combo with a sidewall with a bit of Meat imo is a great idea for a tow vehical. If it’s your daily driver that never tows or god off road so be it.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-27-2018, 8:55 AM Reply   
Here is a picture from back in September when I first started “test driving” this is the Z71 with the blackd out grill in the top of this thread. It had the 22 inch GMC wheels on it. You know how much the dealer wanted for these wheels. $6800 for the wheels LOL LOL LOL these are the same wheels and tires the guy who sold me my wheels was selling (Factory GM take offs) $1500
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-27-2018, 8:57 AM Reply   
Here is a picture from back in September when I first started “test driving” this is the Z71 with the blackd out grill in the top of this thread. It had the 22 inch GMC wheels on it. You know how much the dealer wanted for these wheels. $6800 for the wheels LOL LOL LOL these are the same wheels and tires the guy who sold me my wheels was selling (Factory GM take offs) $1500
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Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-27-2018, 9:18 AM Reply   
People are stupid to got to the dealership to buy any after market accessory's.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-27-2018, 11:55 AM Reply   
^^^ Agreed. But $6800 for factory wheels and Tires. Damm that’s just crazy. I know dealers make tones of money on “trim packages” but to ask that much over what any normal person could drive down the street and get more the 1/2 is just stupid
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-27-2018, 6:47 PM Reply   
This is what you want next G:
https://electrek.co/2018/11/26/rivia...-pickup-specs/
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-28-2018, 9:04 AM Reply   
Ralph; wow That is one cool truck. With for independenty controlled electric motors I bet it’s very off-road capable, becides the vertical headlights I like everything about it
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       11-28-2018, 9:44 AM Reply   
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That looks pretty promising minus the headlights. I suspect those will change before final release.
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-28-2018, 10:51 AM Reply   
I like that it has a 13,000 pound tow rating. Instant torque all the time would pull amazing well. I know it wouldn't go very far but I don't tow long distances.

But the head lights suck!!!
Old     (Surfer101)      Join Date: Oct 2015       11-28-2018, 10:58 AM Reply   
That truck is gonna be at least a 100g and towing you will probably get half of it’s dista for a charge. Take out some of that space and double the battery capacity and put a generator to power to thing in the back. I’m sorry but this isn’t a truck, this is a city truck. You’ll be able to buy a loaded to the max diesel for way cheaper.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       11-28-2018, 1:17 PM Reply   
^^^ You’re exactly right about range diminishing based on load. But let’s just fantasize for a minute let’s say normal range of this is 300 miles and let’s say you get only 1/2 of that range when you’re towing. Most people don’t go more than 130 miles one way to go to the lake. Examples from the bay area two most places in the Delta it’s around 80 miles. So let’s say you burn up all of your range getting there in a perfect world you would have a charge station at the marina so while your truck is sitting there doing nothing it can re charge for the drive home. Brilliant!

One thing people sort of forgot about with an electric car is the cost of fuel each month. I was putting $600 worth of gas in my Escalade every month when I owned it. And that’s something you can’t write off or re gain. So in theory you could pay $600 more per month for this car then a gasser and still be ahead
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-28-2018, 2:08 PM Reply   
I think it's around 61K with tax rebates for the base model. If only it looked better.

TFtrucks on youtube has a video about it. The numbers are crazy good 750 hp and like 10,000 torque!!!!!! yes that much.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-29-2018, 8:38 PM Reply   
The range is 450 miles unloaded

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