Bullet Lines (Krypt Marine) 4 Band Parametric EQ

So has anyone actually seen one of these? For $200 I might buy one.

Bullet Lines 4-Band Parametric EQ

Grant, can we get an EQ test after the Underwater LED Test?

In the previous posting with the ad that Ian had on Only Inboards there was a name thrown out as the designer. Anyone know who that was or his credentials?

I thought it was called the "024-SM" wonder why they changed the name...

haha. Tim had to lay the smack down, and if he didn't.... he is too nice of a guy.

Save for an extra week and get the wetsounds

Easy for you to say Nick, at 21, I doubt you have many bills...

See what saving that extra week does for you with 6 kids, etc...

Every dollar counts!

Yeah and no offense to Tim whatsoever but if it works as well as his at a lesser cost why wouldn't you go with a less expensive alternative?

because its not a ripoff of someone else's idea?

sam you have 6 kids?

WetSounds recently lowered their price by $50.

Its now a smaller difference to get the original product from a company with an excellent service and technical support history.

WetSounds has also had several years and considerable sales through-put to de-bug any issues.

Just thinkin' out loud.

David
Earmark Marine

damn wetsounds did drop the price to $299.

Ken is supposed to send one over. Ill do a test. I know Mike has a WS-420

get it sam. no one is copying. tim doesn't hand built these himself. someone in china makes them and then they sell them to people like tim and bullet. its business. if tim doesn't like it . then hell have to lower his price even more. i see this thread not lasting too long. just like the other one did. it does the same thing at a lower price. thats great

(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on April 10, 2009)

make sure you use your left hand for testing grant.

Scott, Tim didn't invent the EQ last time I checked, he may have been the first to add a mic but who knows maybe Infiniti or Bazooka beat him to that. Do you have a plasma or LCD TV? I bet it's not a Phillips the company that first brought that to market 15+ years ago.

I'm much more inclined to follow Davids logic than yours.

Jerry: Have you seen a WS-420. Have you seen a Bullet Lines EQ. They look pretty close to the same thing to me? Jerry is your EQ mounted on the left or right side
And do you think Vanilla Ice copyed David Bowie in the song "Under Pressuer" I know I poke fun at your 18 wheeler center cap tower speakers but you seem to always be going after the Wet Sounds guy's. Is it just because you own NVS or is it somthing else?

Im sure Wetsounds isn't mad that Bullet came out with a EQ. Every audio company has a EQ no harm no foul. I can see where the 2 EQ's look the same and where the Bullet EQ copyed the ability to adjust the tower and the hull apart from each other somthing most eq's don't do.

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By Bruce Mac (brucemac) on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 11:37 am:

sam you have 6 kids?

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Kind of... my wife has four kids... she was a widow when I married her. We also take care of two foster kids from Cuba, but are trying to adopt them.

I'm building my own compound with six lookout turrets. If I can find some more kids I might go for more turrets...

you must of been too drunk to notice that i now have the fiber glass enclosures that nvs makes. i had them at your bump party. our arc eq's are sold by arc audio but some other company sells the same looking thing. dont get on my bad side G. i wouldn't want to expose you in front of your wake world friends btw. i dont mess with wet sound people. its foolish.

(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on April 10, 2009)

the tower, interior thing isnt really that new. as most eq have seperate outputs for front and rear which is all the tower/interior thing with different labels.

yes, but most don't have seperate two zone eq functionality.

Jerry : You had new speakers?? I might have noticed them if they played music! Correct me if Im wrong but your boat was broken all weekend and never made a sound. But yea you had some killer looking carbon tower ornements I didn't reconize them. Ill pay closer attention next time. BTW you will have another chance to redeem yourself at this years BUMP bring your Mechanic this time. And yes I will be partying LOL

drugs and boose really dont mix g. let me say this slow. i replaced the battery that was bad on my boat. the system was working sat night. ask mikeski if my boat was not working all weekend. un like you. other people can give props where props are due. what are you tring to do any way? you answered your own question towards me. wetsounds are a good product. im just saying. just because some company puts their name on a product. doesn't mean they actually make it. thats all

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(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on April 10, 2009)

Hey Jerry: I was just playing with you and was joking around. I hope your joking and Im mis reading your 2 post's. I have never done any drug in my life and if that's what your trying to say some how in your post then we have a problem.

just joking pimp.

(Message edited by ponte_06_x2 on April 10, 2009)

Darn it... I actually wanted to hear if anyone actually has seen the new EQ or not...

how could anybody have seen it if they aren't even available yet?

well in the add it sayd it doesnt ship until the end of april.

oh and that's some funny stuff up above

So there's no confusion on the part of a newcomer I want to point out that Bullet, as in BulletSpeakers.com, is a different entity than Bullet Lines. Their tower speakers and names are similar (that's curious) but there is no connection otherwise.

BulletSpeakers (Jamie Campos) makes the original Bullet pod which is built, powdercoated and chromed in the states. BulletSpeakers also sells their own coaxials and HLCDs, plus a premium line of halogen light bars.

Bullet Lines (Ken Land) is a separate company.

David
Earmark Marine

so then who's krypt?

I CAN read, what I am asking is has anyone seen the EQ in person yet? The wakeboard and boat accessory community is pretty small and I imagine that someone on this mighty forum has had an opprotunity to see one in person if one actually exists.

About a year or so ago Bazooka was offering an addon microphone doohicky so you could talk through your tower speakers... it has similar preordering discount, but they never ended up making them.

Is this EQ for real? What is the quality? What is functionality like? Is it made of pot metal and chinese electronic parts that will fail in a month or not? Does the unit introduce static or other noise in to your system? This is what I'm asking!

for pete's sake, then just buy one and let everybody know! cheese and rice. good luck with that.

Hey now... Pete is a good friend of mine, why do we have to bring him into this.

So Mr. Mac,
You have never asked for information on a product from someone who might have owned, seen or heard the product before you buy it? You always just take a stab in the dark and buy something without researching it first? Chill out dude.

sure i do, but what i'm saying is, how is it possible for someone to see this if it's new and hasn't even shipped yet? if anybody has seen it, don't you think they would have posted by now? this is the second post in a week about the same product.

it's $200 and appears to be either the same or a knockoff of the WS420. and i'm fully chilled, thanks. sincerely, good luck with it.

Sam,

We've been selling the Bazooka PA system for two years now. In fact, you can see it on our website's on-line store.

I'm assuming there's no EQ to see at this time. If there was even a prototype we could view a photo versus an illustration.

Bruce,

Krypt is Ken Land and Bullet Lines.

David
Earmark Marine

thanks david, that part I wasn't clear on.

maybe cuz when someone tried to snake his sources with a group buy he threatened them with legal action, then does what he was so adamant against?

not only does he steal other products he steals the idea of stealing from other product's mfgs lol.

(Message edited by w00taz on April 10, 2009)

David,
Here is a picture of the KMA-4200 unit. The picture is located on the internet...




Here is a picture of the WS-420



As you can see from the pictures the units look totally different.

"totally different" are you kidding me? they look identical except the aux input on the front and the microphone.

(Message edited by brucemac on April 10, 2009)

I said totally different...lol

Sam,

All we have for certain is a photo shop picture sent from an operation in China.

David

Something is going down or you'd hear from one of the 2 mfg in this thread. They're typically not afraid to post on the board about their units. I assume their lawyers told em to not comment any further in the topic unless its to/from a judge.

I doubt any lawyers are involved... the profit margin on one of these units wouldn't pay for half an hour of a patent attorney's time. You would have to sell lots and lots of units to pay for an attorney. Furthermore does anyone even know if the wetsounds unit is patented? A Patent is very expensive to maintain. "Patent Pending" is very easy to say, but actually defending one is a totally different ball game.

Anyhow the units are clearly different.

Has anyone tried the Bazooka PA system, the Bazooka Mpa1000? Does it introduce a lot of static or other noise?

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Sucks. I just want a good eq

Why would it? No one is bashing anyone? No foul language. No bad (read good 8p) boat bun photos either?

Clayton,

Check out the Kicker KQ5 EQ. No Mic, but does have AUX. http://www.kicker.com/equalizers

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By TigeMike (chpthril) on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 3:26 pm:

Clayton,

Check out the Kicker KQ5 EQ. No Mic, but does have AUX. http://www.kicker.com/equalizers

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And then add the Bazooka PA system to it... Great idea! Thanks! Has anyone tried the Bazooka PA? David??

the last thread that showed that image got deleted thats why.

In the other thread I inadvertently posted a picture that included other information regarding another retailer. I edited my post so that the picture was no longer shown.



(Message edited by wakeboardsam on April 10, 2009)

I'll chime in about the KMA-4200.. We moved forward on a prototype that did not perform the way we expected (tested this week), so we are now back to the drawing board on this EQ.. However, we have already started a rebuild that will have more features than the KMA-4200: I'll leave it a surprise. Monday I'll be taking down the introductory offer: for those of you that like to read into things; it absolutely has nothing to do with any intellectual property rights.

Krypt Marine Audio will launch end of summer or fall with a complete line of high quality marine audio products that will be second to none. Our line will consist of the EQ, class H mini amplifiers, 8" and 6.5" HLCD speakers, 6.5" in-boat speakers, 10" subs, 12" subs, and 12" pro audio subs. Everything will be of the highest quality, and best part of all it will be 30% - 50% cheaper than anything similar.

BTW - Our KMA-4200 in design right now will have an introductery offer of $150.00 with retail of $200.00

Krypt Towers and Krypt Marine Audio are both Bullet Lines' companies.

Ken Land
Bullet Lines
www.bulletlines.com

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(Message edited by bulletlines on April 10, 2009)

thats to bad Ken was hoping to get one of these by the end of april

Tim Can you please chime in. I am very interested to know the whole sotry behind everything. It seems like Ken is following evry little move the Tim at Wetsounds has done, even down to the iron cross logo. Are the Krypt Audio speakers going to have Iron cross grills also??

Clay,

we have had our Iron Cross logo since 2002, so Wet Sounds did not have that first in this market/industry.. No, we will not be incorperating our iron cross into the grill. WetSounds did not invent the mobile/marine audio market. We are building an audio company, so we will naturally have speakers, amps, and ETC.

Way to go Ken! Keep up the good work! Having choices is good. Who would have thunk it, the free market at work makes people mad!

Ken I understand that, it all just seems to related.

Uh, yea it seems too related because all the lingo sounds the same.

The bottom line is these two will butt heads from here on......

I appreciate that laws will conflict out there.... and competition for "Pro Audio" and Wetsounds in particular just got intense.

Ken,
Incorporate the speed based volume control in your eq, that would put you over the top!

Ditto on the speed based volume control. Looking forward to seeing some marine grade pro audio gear at REASONABLE prices. That "other" company has been over pricing products since day one. (my opinion) When you are the only dog in the race you can do what you want. God speed Ken Land.

I guess six kids (even though two you get paid, quite a bit to take care of) are pricey but I too have bills, and given what I know about the product it would be worth it to me to save for it

FYI, on my own, no help from mommy or daddy, I bet I have close to the same bills as you. (besides kid stuff)
School, rent, water, elect., cable, internet, boat, food, engagement ring, wedding coming up, car, insurance (not health, still under 25 so that is mom and dad by default), plus any credit cards/ whatever I have.

I have bills...it blows, 21 is an adult last time I checked.

Oh....and back to the point
clearly they haven't worked out the bugs in this new one... I would take the sure fire product... I don't have one, but everyone on here loves their wetsounds... in wakeboarding you usually get what you pay for, least that is what I've noticed since I've been in the sport.

Not everyone on here loves their wetsounds.

I think it's time for some real competition, hopefully the playing field is a whole lot closer to being leveled.

Keep it up Ken, obviously you're damned if you do and damned if you don't right now. We'll see how much people bitch when you get these products to market that perform, look good, and are considerably cheaper in price than competition.

Ken.....here's an idea for ya. User selectable crossover points on the tower and in boat speakers. I know that other mfg's tip up the treble and dial out the bass so that their speakers can play louder. I would gladly give up some volume for a speaker that sounds more natural. One company came up with a separate mid bass speaker to make up for the shortcomings of their 8" tower speaker. Brilliant way to sell more speakers! If you still don't like the sound, you can add an equalizer with zones! Mo Money! (my opinion only) An equalizer cannot add bass below the crossover cut off point. It will only amplify the bass that is available above the cut off. Offer the adjustable crossover points and let the user decide if they want natural sound or more volume. Horns done right don't have to be harsh or grainy.

Ken, why don't you tell the truth. it just seems like more lies covering up lies. i have a freind that is a wet sounds dealer so i have heard the truth. you never had an eq and tried to go to wet sounds factory and they put the smack down on you. Now you make up stories like it didn't test out right. whatever. The rest of it seems like a cray baby. "well oh yeah, we will have this and this and this" What don't you just pretty much come out and say that you are going to try to copy everything wet sounds does. Why don't you come up with something on your own. Everything you listed was the exact line of wet sounds, come on, class h amps, 10 inch 12 inch and pro audio 12 inch, LOL Competetion is fine but when it is something different. just to keep copying and copying is pathetic. FAIL

Sam, i was told by my dealer friend that has already been done as well!!!

John, just becuase you can't afford it doesn't mean there was some big consiracy on selling product. There already is other choices on the market. Some are more money and some are less so why the hate? They all have thier own sound. So pick the one you like and can afford. Pretty simple.

i dont see a problem in ken selling a eq. arent all eq really all the same. they are do the same things also. its weird

So I'm wondering if wetsounds coppied the Kicker eq since it looks identical as well?


Wait a minute maybe everyone coppied kicker's design.

(Message edited by 05mobiuslsv on April 11, 2009)

Ken , I think it's fantastic to see more people entering the free market to sell their wares. Competition is good and if you can offer a good quality product for less then kudos. As we can see by the recent success of the Kicker KMT6 there is a market for good products at a lower price. We all know that the current offerings are great products (Bullet, NVS, Wetsounds, HSE) I'm sure they're not shaking in their collective boots over this and if the products are sub par then they will gain greater market share.

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By john walker (john_walker) on Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 9:59 am:

Sam, i was told by my dealer friend that has already been done as well!!!

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What are you referring to? Volume control in the EQ?

http://www.hsetrident.com/html/rvc_info.html

john walker........you missed "can't afford it" by a long shot. Still, I know over priced when I see it. I have built speakers from scratch and I know the cost of raw drivers. I have run my own business for 30 years, so I also know about labor, overhead, and profit. No hate either. I did not name names on purpose. I was passing along an idea. Hopefully Ken or someone else will pick up on it and we will have some decent speakers to choose from. Adjustable crossover points is not an original idea. The car speaker companies have been doing it for years.

Yes, I have seen that volume control. Now incorporate it into an EQ with a tower mike...