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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       01-18-2019, 12:01 PM Reply   
Is it no wonder that the Democrats are the Party of “Victims”, even though I love the fact that TRUMP is winning you can’t help but think at what cost? Pulling the rug out from under Pelosi was a brilliant move. I mean come on, our government is shut down, Shumer & Peloise are doing the News feeds with story’s of “Poor Federal workers” not getting a pay check while you Vacation in Hawaii & then To Puerto Rico & then you wanna go to jump on a Military plane & fly to NATOS new billion dollar digs & Go ride a camel and take selfies in front of the Pyramids for what is a PR visit?

If you can’t see what a piece of crap this woman is and what a swamp creature she & chuck are then your lost, I mean I get it you can’t admit your team is full of hypocrites race baiters, and the list go’s on, but you have to know inside your team is a bunch of clowns . I understand you don’t wanna admit it here.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       01-18-2019, 12:53 PM Reply   
In 2013, Chuck Schumer and every Senate Democrat voted in favor of 350 miles of border wall. They have right now shut the government down to stop 234 miles of border wall.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       01-18-2019, 1:16 PM Reply   
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In 2013, Chuck Schumer and every Senate Democrat voted in favor of 350 miles of border wall. They have right now shut the government down to stop 234 miles of border wall.
No! See the longer you wait the more it's gonna cost in money and lives.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-18-2019, 2:10 PM Reply   
Hope you enjoyed Ted. I think you missed the point tho.

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Everyone, even Trump agrees Russia meddled
No, you need to re-visit trumps Helsinki debacle. He believes Putin. He has stated it several times and it wasnt caught on a "hot mic". In addition in 2012 when Obama said that the Russians had not just attacked our presidential election. Completely different times. Trump has been linked to Russia since the getgo and all his actions agree with that assessment.
Days leading up to Helsinki...
Trump railed on NATO and threatened to pull out. Then there was that embarrassing 2 days in the UK where he complicated their Brexit issues, bad mouthed T.May, remember the baby trump blimp? The day before Helsinki, Mueller indicted 12 Russian Military Intelligence officers for hacking of Democrat emails during the election. This upped the ante trump needed to address the issue with Putin. So in typical trump fashion, he blamed Obama not Russians who actually did it. So, they stand up at the podiums and this is what trump said "He just said it’s not Russia,” Trump said. “I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.”
How do you get "Trump agrees Russia meddeled" from that? You need to admit facts, it was live on TV I can get you video if you need it.

Trump owns the shut down. Pretend he didn't say it all you want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t7bYWM9zAw
His approval ratings are dropping daily, his disapproval ratings are way up. Winning. He is getting blame for the trump shutdown. I will cop to Pelosi and trump are playing baby games and need to grow the f up, equal "credit" to each side. Congress should not get a paycheck until the govt employees do.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-18-2019, 2:13 PM Reply   
In addition to the stopping the wall from being built, the Dems will also need to find a way to derail this. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/18/chin...us-report.html
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-18-2019, 2:19 PM Reply   
"His approval ratings are dropping daily" Are those from the same pollsters who said he'd lose by a landslide?
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-18-2019, 3:24 PM Reply   
It would be more funny if you asked if it was from the same pollsters Cohen paid off for positive trump #'s. lol.
In reality it is Pew Research a non partisan think tank.
http://www.people-press.org/
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-18-2019, 5:40 PM Reply   
So Clinton did win? My bad https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...ew-poll-225255
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       01-18-2019, 5:50 PM Reply   
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Laker, you seem to be a reasonably intelligent person based on your past posts here but I'm struggling to see what your point is in this case. Nowhere in that article - which discusses a poll from *June* 2016 - did it say that Pew claimed Clinton would "win in a landslide." In fact, polls never do that. They report numbers. The article also discusses that the 9 point (minus 2.7 margin of error) poll happened before Comey's big announcement. Maybe my maths ain't so good, but seems to me based on the popular vote the poll was fairly accurate (unsurprising since the poll was not limited in geography). Obviously a poll national in scale like that would not be informative wrt the electoral college and razor thin margins in midwest swing states.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-18-2019, 7:05 PM Reply   
Thanks, Pesos, I take that as a compliment. The title "Clinton tops Trump by 9 points in new Pew poll:" and "Clinton leads Trump in a head-to-head matchup, 51 percent to 42 percent, with 7 percent undecided, according to the poll" sums up how accurate PEW polls are. My point is polls are only as good as the people who collect them. Most Americans are far more concerned about the economy, having and keeping a job, health insurance, and national security. The Russian probe is dead news and it is time to move on. I remember Bob Schieffer grilling Leslie Rutledge about having no evidence and the polls disagreed when she predicted Trump winning by "just talking to people." That was not good enough for him. Those reporters ganged up on her like school children because she dared to disagree with their superior intellect. No offense, but most of these pollsters and journalist are too far removed from the realty of everyday people to accurately report unbiased news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDKBBA_nwqc
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       01-18-2019, 7:11 PM Reply   
It wasn't meant any other way.

Although now i'm reconsidering if you think the russian probe is "dead news" lol

You realize that the headline (which is factually accurate and in no way backs up your earlier claim regarding the "landslide" claim) and all text in that article are not from Pew right? It's an article in Politico. Pew just does the poll and delivers the numbers... And again, those numbers - for a national poll - were not wrong when it came to the national vote. So the poll *was* fairly accurate, especially given the margin of error.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       Yesterday, 1:27 AM Reply   
This is real.https://www.facebook.com/realCharlie...5NjIxMjc5NDky/
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       Yesterday, 7:55 AM Reply   
Ok, we'll just agree to disagree on the PEW Poll from Politico, you're probably right, but my point is the following is the type of research most, if not all, the public saw going in to the 2016 election: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-forecast.html Trump did not have a chance, proving most, if not all, polls were wrong. No, the Russian "witch hunt" is far from over and probably will not be until Trump is, hopefully not, impeached. What will hunt solve anyway? Facebook is so socially powerful that it decided the outcome of an election and needs Federal regulation. My point is our politicians and media should put their energy into positive things, such as ensuring intellectual property rights, making sure people have jobs, our kids are educated, and businesses are profitable. No one I know cares about Trump's relationship with Russia. Point being, maybe the media (polls) should take a step back and focus on what really concerns the majority of the American public and why they were so wrong about the last election. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ed-their-mark/
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       Yesterday, 7:57 AM Reply   
{the} hunt
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 10:37 AM Reply   
The video Laker posted brings up a great point. The only people who cared about Tax returns during the elections were the Media. EXACTLY . I laugh at their So called POLLS! All bs IMO . Most rational people don’t give a F what MSM is telling them. Example Yes looking at the weather report on the local news is a great Idea but in most cases the Weather report is inaccurate at best and brings up more questions then it answers. Wanna know what it’s gonna be like today? Stick your head out the window.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       Yesterday, 2:12 PM Reply   
OK so Trumps plan is no longer 2,500 mile concrete wall which mexico will pay for but a 250 mile fence that the American tax payer pays for and includes daca extention. Promises made promise kept! Or something. TBH, a strategic fence makes much more sense than a wall, if the dopey dems can spin this as a win they should accept this deal and reopen govt.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       Today, 2:42 AM Reply   
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OK so Trumps plan is no longer 2,500 mile concrete wall which mexico will pay for but a 250 mile fence that the American tax payer pays for and includes daca extention. Promises made promise kept! Or something. TBH, a strategic fence makes much more sense than a wall, if the dopey dems can spin this as a win they should accept this deal and reopen govt.
This is a big win for the democrats, but they can not pull the trigger. It appears as if they may fall apart.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Today, 3:08 AM Reply   
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This is a big win for the democrats, but they can not pull the trigger. It appears as if they may fall apart.
Ridiculous. Trump kills daca then acts like a few months' extension is something to crow about lol. This "offer" was DOA and of course it was (democrats weren't even invited to be part of the discussion). It's just to give trump some breathing room.
Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       Today, 6:10 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ralph View Post
OK so Trumps plan is no longer 2,500 mile concrete wall which mexico will pay for but a 250 mile fence that the American tax payer pays for and includes daca extention. Promises made promise kept! Or something. TBH, a strategic fence makes much more sense than a wall, if the dopey dems can spin this as a win they should accept this deal and reopen govt.
Republicans can open the government Without building a wall for Trumps Ego. From an outsiders view, is the wall really an emergency? The republicans had two years to build the wall and it was never an emergency, now that the democrats are in the house it's an emergency?
Ralph, we have something in common, this American shut down does not effect either one of us.
Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       Today, 6:12 AM Reply   
No it's called negotiating . Now the democrats need to make an offer. This how it works. You are dealing with a ex-democrat. Democrats no longer know how to make deals . They only know how to make threats it seems. Democrats do you even know what kind of skills these people have that you voted for?

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Old     (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       Today, 6:37 AM Reply   
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Republicans can open the government Without building a wall for Trumps Ego. From an outsiders view, is the wall really an emergency? The republicans had two years to build the wall and it was never an emergency, now that the democrats are in the house it's an emergency?
Ralph, we have something in common, this American shut down does not effect either one of us.
President has made a fantastic deal for the democrats. If the dems don't take it then they should be thrown out because they arent doing their jobs and keeping the government shutdown. Lets see if they are morons or get a deal done for their base.
Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       Today, 6:47 AM Reply   
Trump campaigned for president. He said he would build a wall. The majority of voters voted for Trump. I therefore extrapolate that the majority of American voters want a wall.

I don't think the left and the media are ever going to fully understand what is going on here. They've been cramming their BS agenda that the country needs to bend over backwards for the new world order agenda such as open the borders, let you choose which bathroom you use, etc. Along comes Trump, he wants to build a wall, and the media jumps on him as being racist. Stopping illegal immigration isn't racist. Perfect example of what people are angry about. That's why Trump won. People are fed up with it. They voted for Trump, but aren't even able to admit they voted for him for fear of being verbally attacked.

The more Trump upsets the left and the media, the more I love it. They've been going after the collision for over 2 years. I don't think they are ever going to come up with anything. China is the real threat, not Russia. The world has been sitting by for 30+ years while they blatantly steal and copy everyone else's technology. They aren't the same poor starving country they used to be. Only Trump stood up to them. Yes he's an a$$hole, and I don't agree with a lot of what he says and does, but he's our a$$hole, and I agree with the main points on his agenda. Thankfully, he's been toning down his Twitter.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       Today, 7:04 AM Reply   
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The majority of voters voted for Trump.
not exactly.

Old     (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       Today, 9:28 AM Reply   
Correction - the majority of voters voted for Trump if you don't count the rediculous state of California which is out of touch with reality.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       Today, 9:37 AM Reply   
But I think he won at least 31 states https://www.politico.com/2016-electi...map/president/

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