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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-15-2015, 8:15 PM Reply   
Lamar Odom Damm Dude, I thought if you were a rich & famous Sports star you didn't need to spend $75k for a weekend with hookers?

"You get your Money for Nothing and your Chicks for Free"
Dire Straits.


Herbal Viagra & Cocaine.

Kids say "No to Drugs" and Yes to Hugs.

http://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/c...rothel-n444041
Old     (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       10-15-2015, 10:10 PM Reply   
Kind of tasteless considering the man is currently on life support in a coma grant.

His addiction and personal issues are very well documented, and have been for a long time.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-15-2015, 11:09 PM Reply   
Sorry for being what u call "tasteless" I have not followd his addiction and personal issues. And I'm sorry if this comes off harsh. I have little sympathy for people who choose to be reckless with drugs ect and throw their lives away. Example Whitney Houston & Kurt Cobain I Even have less for selfish people that leave behind kid's. I'm sure there is a number of high end rehab places that could have taken Mr Odens $75k and helped him way more then the whore house. But it is Sad I agree, I feel bad for the people that people like Omar leave in their wake
Old     (dyost)      Join Date: Jan 2007       10-15-2015, 11:10 PM Reply   
Seriously? He made his own decision to nearly OD.... Let's not make Lamar out to be a victim here, people are responsible for their own actions, at least they used to be....

As for his well documented issues, give Grant a break, probably not up to speed as my guess is he doesn't spend much time watching TMZ / Keeping up with Kardashians. : ) So this "headline" might be the first he's heard of it.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-16-2015, 2:12 AM Reply   
I've never heard of this fool. Keep preaching Grant!
Old     (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       10-16-2015, 5:41 AM Reply   
Sure people are responsible for their actions. I just believe there are many ways to say the same things, and this was a poor way to say it, especially if you feel bad for the family. Who I'm sure if saw this post while he is still on life support wouldn't be helped at all.

His feelings don't really matter at this point, I doubt he will ever read again if he ever comes out of a coma anyway. Of course he should have spent the money on rehab... Since that's normally what addicts do?! Jeez this is a bad idea I should check myself into rehab with this money instead, it's just that easy.

You don't have to watch TMZ to be educated about an INCREDIBLY popular nba figure. Hell 3 minutes on wiki will give you that he was suspended 15 years ago after his rookie season for drug abuse, fell back in last year with previous coaches and friends worried about him. One of his kids died less than a year old of SIDS

Difference between holding people responsible for their mistakes and cracking rude jokes while his family sits at his death bed.

But I obviously have fundamental differences in the ways I view drug addiction and its power over people than you so this is going nowhere.

I thought it was a real dick way to say this and was more about laughing than about being sorry for his children.
Old     (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-16-2015, 5:58 AM Reply   
Where does it say anything about $75k?
Old     (allzway)      Join Date: Feb 2014       10-16-2015, 6:04 AM Reply   
Play stupid games.. win stupid prizes.
Old     (Ttime41)      Join Date: Nov 2011       10-16-2015, 6:51 AM Reply   
x2 Joel, I I don't think anyone makes a conscious decision to be a drug addict. It develops a little bit at a time, and I'm sure that making a decision to check yourself into rehab when you have a physiological dependency on a substance isn't as easy as some people act like it is.

I really feel for Lamar. The dude lost his mom very young, has a deadbeat dad that mooches off of him every chance he gets, lost one of his children in infancy, among other hardships. Not that it's a good decision, but when you deal with that type of hardship you've got to find a way to cope, and unfortunately he chose the wrong way. It's aggravating that people look at his money and fame and think that automatically means he was a happy and healthy person. I don't think any amount of money could make me happy after dealing with that type of tragedy.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-16-2015, 7:44 AM Reply   
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Where does it say anything about $75k?
Down near the bottom.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-16-2015, 8:42 AM Reply   
Hey Joel I hear what you're saying. And I'm sure there would be a nicer more politically correct way of saying what I said kind of like calling "illegal aliens" undocumented persons "


You're right there is a better way of saying things but at the time I felt it was better to not mince words or be politically correct .

I guess this goes to show what a jerk I really am. But I did not shed one tear when Whitney Houston OD'd as well as Kurt Cobain. Bon Scott (Ac/DC) The lead singer of sublime and the lead singer of blind melon. Michael Hutchins from INXS " DJ Am" as well as the other countless idiots that decide to take a ride on Darwins skateboard. Disclaimer I was sad about Michael Jackson because he paid Dr. Murray almost $750,000 a year to the guy that ended up killing him and he didn't even get a refund < OK now that was harsh" of course I'm kidding about our beloved MJ

In fact I found it a bit grotesque at all the pageantry that they did after Whitney Houston killed her self from a drug overdose.

People in the arm services police and fire put their lives at risk every day and are not given that type of celebration when they die in the line of duty.

One last tidbit:, The day Kurt Cobain overdosed and was found dead hey is overdose suicide made worldwide headlines. Meanwhile there was mass genocide going on that very same day but because Kurt Cobain made front page news many of the world didn't even know what was going on in Africa
Old     (dyost)      Join Date: Jan 2007       10-16-2015, 9:06 AM Reply   
Ttime41

Probably not, but everyone who tries drugs or alcohol does make a conscious decision to do it the first time. Addiction is not a consequence for everyone, but there is always a choice to do it the first time. In the case of drugs, I feel kids are taught young enough how addictive it can be, especially in the cases of hard drugs like meth. Those who take that risk should be held no less accountable for the choice to start.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-16-2015, 9:36 AM Reply   
Dustin, think how nice it is for people that can drink or do drugs and not get addicted. Everyone isn't equal in that respect, so it's not exactly fair to judge them as if they were. Our minds don't all work the same. I'm not sure what is meant by "no less accountable". Does accountability mean prison? If you lose your life to drugs then you are being held accountable. Empathy is not going to mitigate that sort of accountability. Empathy means that you choose to help these people when the opportunity arises. Empathy means you hold the drug and HC industry accountable for not policing themselves when they distribute addictive drugs without any diligence wrt where those drugs are going.

I don't shed any tears for these people because I don't know them and they don't know me. But empathy and the knowledge that many people who aren't superstars in the public's eye suffer from addiction problem and I don't feel the need to publicly mock them or even judge them unless they are committing crimes that hurt others.
Old     (stanfield)      Join Date: Mar 2004       10-16-2015, 10:21 AM Reply   
Grant, you do realize Kurt Cobain didn't die of an overdose right?
Old     (skiboarder)      Join Date: Oct 2006       10-16-2015, 10:50 AM Reply   
Grant, I know you work hard to be the undisputed king of non-wakeboard discussion, but give it a rest, man. Often you are right, but you can be truthful and still be an *******. And don't wave the "the world is too PC", "just keeping it real" flag. That is not a defense for being insensitive.
Old     (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       10-16-2015, 10:55 AM Reply   
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy you a Boat, and a Truck to pull it! That said, I feel bad for anyone who is family or friends with him
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-16-2015, 12:37 PM Reply   
Kurt Cobain did in fact die of an overdose. An overdose of lead to the head via a shotgun
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-16-2015, 1:16 PM Reply   
One thing is for sure
" you got to know when to Odem and when to fold them "
Old     (dezul)      Join Date: Jul 2012       10-16-2015, 1:18 PM Reply   
Odum is an idiot and his family failed him. If his addiction was previously known by the masses, why didnt his family not help him. I have no pitty for his idiot decisions. I hope he pulls through and seeks serious help.
Old     (Cabledog)      Join Date: Dec 2013       10-16-2015, 10:06 PM Reply   
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Kind of tasteless considering the man is currently on life support in a coma grant.

His addiction and personal issues are very well documented, and have been for a long time.
Someone is keeping up with the Kardashians....
Old     (Cabledog)      Join Date: Dec 2013       10-16-2015, 10:13 PM Reply   
"Cocaine - it's a hell of a drug" I'm Rick James bitch....
Old     (Ttime41)      Join Date: Nov 2011       10-17-2015, 11:37 AM Reply   
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Odum is an idiot and his family failed him. If his addiction was previously known by the masses, why didnt his family not help him. I have no pitty for his idiot decisions. I hope he pulls through and seeks serious help.
He doesn't have a family. His mom died when he was young and his dad is a deadbeat
Old     (dezul)      Join Date: Jul 2012       10-17-2015, 12:40 PM Reply   
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He doesn't have a family. His mom died when he was young and his dad is a deadbeat
Tough ****. Sink or swim. He was blessed with athletic ability. Most people don't even have that.
Old     (wakeboardertj)      Join Date: May 2005       10-17-2015, 1:35 PM Reply   
Old     (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       10-18-2015, 8:16 AM Reply   
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x2 Joel, I I don't think anyone makes a conscious decision to be a drug addict. It develops a little bit at a time, and I'm sure that making a decision to check yourself into rehab when you have a physiological dependency on a substance isn't as easy as some people act like it is.

I really feel for Lamar. The dude lost his mom very young, has a deadbeat dad that mooches off of him every chance he gets, lost one of his children in infancy, among other hardships. Not that it's a good decision, but when you deal with that type of hardship you've got to find a way to cope, and unfortunately he chose the wrong way. It's aggravating that people look at his money and fame and think that automatically means he was a happy and healthy person. I don't think any amount of money could make me happy after dealing with that type of tragedy.
Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me. Excuses are for the weak.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-18-2015, 10:07 AM Reply   
I understand about people "trying" to be compassionate. It's the Hip thing to be these days. You sound more worldly if you harp of people for calling a spad a spade.
I love these people preaching Tolerance" yes it's great to be Tolerant as long as it dosent go against their view. Here is a tip for you all wise tolerant type. Wanna try and sway people your way? Drop the insults towards people you might not agree with and simply present your view. Who knows we might tend to agree?
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-18-2015, 10:18 AM Reply   
I knew a person who's kids had been in and out of drugs all their entire teen age and there young adult life. Along with multiple rehab sessions. It was very frustrating, and they still don't stop loving their offspring even when they act like dirt bags. But people often make excuses for them (for what ever reason) Example the person I'm talking about had a magnet on their fridge that was a cartoon that said "All the cool Kids go to Re-Hab" it was like they were trying to make their kids Not feel so bad about the odvious!!!!
Reminds me of kids sports teams that don't keep score because they don't want to hurt their kids feelings for loosing "let's not keep score" it demoralized my child?
Well no Kidding!!!! So does life. The sooner you can learn to get over life's speed bumps the better. It starts with figuring out how to learn from your mistakes.
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-18-2015, 12:21 PM Reply   
My wife and I had this discussion a while back. She is of the opinion that anyone who controls/manages their particular addiction is to be celebrated for their "victory". I am of the opinion that while it may be beneficial and positive for that person to control their demons, I will always be more impressed by any person who has the fortitude and conviction to not fall prey to addictions in the first place.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-18-2015, 4:58 PM Reply   
"I will always be more impressed by any person who..."

The difference is your wife isn't making it a competition. But if you really wanted to, you could find even more things to be impressed by. Why stop with "not falling prey to an addiction"?
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-18-2015, 10:50 PM Reply   
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My wife and I had this discussion a while back. She is of the opinion that anyone who controls/manages their particular addiction is to be celebrated for their "victory". I am of the opinion that while it may be beneficial and positive for that person to control their demons, I will always be more impressed by any person who has the fortitude and conviction to not fall prey to addictions in the first place.
What is more impressive, somebody with a fear of heights who steels themselves and does a bungy jump anyway or someone with no fear who just rocks up and does it?
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-19-2015, 6:58 AM Reply   
Perhaps I chose my words poorly..... I meant to imply that managing or recovering from an addiction, in my view, is just that..... A recovery. I feel that not being in a position to need recovery is the greater victory.
Old     (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-19-2015, 7:30 AM Reply   
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Down near the bottom.
I'm still missing finding it for some reason, nbd.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-19-2015, 7:34 AM Reply   
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I'm still missing finding it for some reason, nbd.
I went back to look and quote it, but it wasn't there. Must of been a related article that got tacked on. Weird.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       10-20-2015, 12:11 AM Reply   
"In three days at the brothel, Odom spent $75,000, which guaranteed two women would "take care of any of his needs," Hof told CNN's sister network HLN."

Cocaine, herbal Viagra, and two ladyfriends for 3 days.

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