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Old     (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       03-29-2018, 7:47 PM Reply   
Got my new Supra SL and pumped to get it out and backup all the awesome reviews it is getting. Just finished installing GatorStep throughout and loving the new look. As always Supra, Active Water Sports, BoatMate and GatorStep get my huge props for being awesome to work with on this build.... You all rock! Here is some the porn that I will be looking at until I can get it on the water... Soon....
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Old     (chilidog)      Join Date: Dec 2007       03-29-2018, 8:39 PM Reply   
White black and tan great combo!
Old     (alexair)      Join Date: Oct 2008       03-30-2018, 3:04 AM Reply   
Congratulations! The big ship must be white!
btw with novadays opportunity in decal I see no sense do order other then white.
Old     (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       03-30-2018, 3:11 AM Reply   
Sick boat!
Old     (Supravol22)      Join Date: Jul 2013       03-30-2018, 5:29 AM Reply   
Daaaaaaaaaang
Old     (scwellman)      Join Date: Nov 2006       03-30-2018, 6:06 AM Reply   
She's a foxy lady.
Old     (downfortheride)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-30-2018, 6:10 AM Reply   
The windshield really puts the boat all together. Congrats on another awesome build, can't wait to see it in action.
Old     (Mike88)      Join Date: Aug 2016       03-30-2018, 6:13 AM Reply   
Sick, really sick!

Everyone has their own preferences! White looks awesome.

I’ll prefer a metal flake secondary color to make the white pop even more but that’s just my 2 cents.
Your boat killing it !
Hope to see if the new rear hull design really makes a difference or it’s just aesthetic

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Old     (Shakarocks)      Join Date: Mar 2013       03-30-2018, 6:36 AM Reply   
Killer boat. Those Gatorstep guys are great to work with.
Old     (granddaddy53)      Join Date: Dec 2013       03-30-2018, 7:49 AM Reply   
Totally impressed with the entire rig!
Old     (CALIV210)      Join Date: Jun 2015       03-30-2018, 9:00 AM Reply   
Love white always have looks killer !!!!
Old     (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: SF Bay Area       03-30-2018, 9:38 AM Reply   
Sick as always!
Old     (onetogofast)      Join Date: Jun 2012       03-31-2018, 9:40 AM Reply   
Thatís sweet!!!!
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       03-31-2018, 11:05 AM Reply   
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Sick, really sick!

Everyone has their own preferences! White looks awesome.

Iíll prefer a metal flake secondary color to make the white pop even more but thatís just my 2 cents.
Your boat killing it !
Hope to see if the new rear hull design really makes a difference or itís just aesthetic


The SL is by all accounts the best Supra has. So....I think it makes a difference.
Old     (Mike88)      Join Date: Aug 2016       03-31-2018, 2:33 PM Reply   
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The SL is by all accounts the best Supra has. So....I think it makes a difference.
No doubt I think the hull lines will make a difference. Just curious how much.

Sure it looks much more agressive, but how these lines will affect the effeciency Thatís what Iím thinking about. Just canít wait to see a full review of someone who own One because Itís my 2018 crush.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       03-31-2018, 3:35 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by Mike88 View Post
No doubt I think the hull lines will make a difference. Just curious how much.



Sure it looks much more agressive, but how these lines will affect the effeciency Thatís what Iím thinking about. Just canít wait to see a full review of someone who own One because Itís my 2018 crush.


I donít thing the running surface is a radical departure from other Supra boats....check me if I am wrong. Improved: yes, but whole hog redesign? I donít think so. Big changes are subfloor ballast and reconfigured surf plates. I am not sure itís better than a slammed SE for example, but itís easier to use and makes cleaner transfers with level weight.

Thatís my take on it.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       04-01-2018, 9:29 PM Reply   
Always loved white boats. I have owned my fair share ..........withstand the test of time gelcoat wise and I never had a problem unloading one after the season.


Looks badass Diggs
Old     (davez71)      Join Date: Oct 2007       04-02-2018, 5:09 AM Reply   
Great looking combo. That is a great looking all white boat. I bet it is super easy to keep this clean. Enjoy the summer.
Old     (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       04-02-2018, 7:51 AM Reply   
Looks killer!

Glad you did not go with the tan vinyl. I actually like the all white/tan vinyl look but it's getting overplayed a lot right now. The tan Gatorstep is the perfect amount. DFTR is right about the windshield! Congrats on the new boat
Old     (spolk69)      Join Date: Aug 2008       04-06-2018, 3:33 AM Reply   
He’s my all white from 2008!! Never goes out of style 10 years later. This year I went all black! LOL
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Old     (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-06-2018, 8:38 AM Reply   
Diggs, are you running 33's or 35's on your truck. If 35's how do you find it pulls with the larger tires?
Old     (dennyleeb)      Join Date: Jul 2017       04-06-2018, 11:12 AM Reply   
I went all white this year too. I love it. Your SL looks sweet
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Old     (Shockthis)      Join Date: May 2014       05-01-2018, 10:16 PM Reply   
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Old     (pedel)      Join Date: Dec 2017       05-01-2018, 11:05 PM Reply   
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Finally got it out on the water , wakeboard wake is amazing and surf wave too.Attachment 44437


Fantastic...Iím still tuning in my regular side wake, what settings did you use?
Old     (Shockthis)      Join Date: May 2014       05-02-2018, 10:43 PM Reply   
Still just playing with the goofy wave, my friend has a SL too and they are regular riders , I will check it
Out this weekend
Old     (WakesurfMedia)      Join Date: Sep 2017       05-03-2018, 6:15 AM Reply   
Awesome color combo! White and tan stays pretty cool and, of course, is much easier to clean than solid black! Looking great!
Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-03-2018, 12:59 PM Reply   
well - there are other colors
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Old     (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-09-2018, 4:55 PM Reply   
bcrider - They are 35's with a 3.5 eco boost. It tows awesome. Have set a few trucks up the same way and I love it.

monkey-butt - Nice!!! I have been out 2 times now and love it. A bit more dialing this weekend and should have it all set

Really happy with this boat and wave so far just bone stock!!!
Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-10-2018, 7:23 PM Reply   
we gotta compare - dial it in is still in the works - getting better at it but can't load it all up - surf wake is better with the autowake suggestion - contrary to what others say. Been out 3 times but weather this week sucks but we're up to 7 hours and this weekend adding 4 or 5 more. took a while to understand what amplitude meant … so now we have a decent wakeboard wake for me (instead of the standard setup which loads everything full) and a tweaked advanced one for my buddy.
will send you a pm after the weekend - maybe once having a chat to learn more
Old     (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-10-2018, 8:54 PM Reply   
Yeah we are tweaking more this weekend too but really probably got our best wave from the stock setting and had some lead on board. Going to move the lead around a bit and mess with the speed before we go changing factory settings.
Old     (Shockthis)      Join Date: May 2014       05-11-2018, 8:03 AM Reply   
What did u use for your wakeboard set up? I ran ce the wakeboard advanced and seemed like a legit wake, seemed very close to a g23 wake. i was pretty happy, curious to know your set up.

Going to play around with the surf wake. Rag boy from wake nine is using 4 deg roll and pitch of 10 with all full and 500 lead and wake plate at 25 for goofy for surf style. It like mine at 7 and 4.5 so far
Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-11-2018, 11:47 AM Reply   
stock setup for wakeboarding is wayyy too much for me but I didn't know how to reduce the ballast at first via autowake - so it fills them by default all the way full as long as you have the amplitude setting at 100. Can't compare with a G23 - never rode behind one. Had a 2017 23LSV last year and the wake was super clean so was trying to achieve that. I set mine at 25% amplitude and had the wakeplate at 50%. That wasn't enough so my buddy just played with the plate a bit to increase wake steepness - 21.5mph. He was riding at 50%, 22.5mph and plate also at 50% Ö changed that to 75% now and he's happy.

what's really surprising to me that the left side is always less full than the right - no matter what - seems for me counter to everything I have done in my previous boat to compensate prop torque but the autowake is right (and I'm wrong).

Have to note the settings for surfing (I'm regular and haven't surfed yet so can only speak for goofy surfing so far based on feedback and own observation) Ö factory setting seems to work but isn't as long as the Malibu's for now. What is clear that the boat needs to list a bit - otherwise it won't create a good wake Ö again different from the Malibu - so therefore loading everything full doesn't seem to make it work because the surf tabs don't provide lift or do I get this wrong? We also tried to mess with speed a bit but going above 11 didn't do any good.

Not using lead either - boat goes on a lift so prefer not to keep any weight/ballast in the boat Ö but can once play with an additional fat sac which would give me about the same - but would prolly be more forward.
Old     (spolk69)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-11-2018, 7:37 PM Reply   
Here is my all white from 2008 but 2018 back in black
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Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-12-2018, 8:11 PM Reply   
No weíre not talking about the color of your boat - sorry.

But if you have anything to contribute to the autowake setup we would appreciate that a lot ... hint ...

itís not color ...
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-13-2018, 4:44 AM Reply   
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No weíre not talking about the color of your boat - sorry.

But if you have anything to contribute to the autowake setup we would appreciate that a lot ... hint ...

itís not color ...
I have some advice.

Stop being a baby and just send it.
100% or nothing.
Old     (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-14-2018, 3:41 PM Reply   
Monkey butt
I am finding that you do not have to list at all to one direction any more. I am running even weight on both sides and letting people sit wherever they want and the wave is clean and smooth on both sides... Transition is clean from side to side. Make sure you are checking your speed if you are on a river cause it will fluctuate a bit since it is GPS. We are running closer to 12mph and have an extra 600lbs of lead and I am finding it is much longer than years past. They changed the way the plates work on SWELL now and seems to have made a huge difference.
Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-15-2018, 7:19 AM Reply   
well - that would counter what ragboy is suggesting - not that this is the bible but he might have been on an SL longer than the rest. So here's my recap from Sunday. Driver and 4 dogs, stock ballast - that's it. Goofy side is listing by 4 degrees and works well - wake is there. Buddy tried different board (surf style) - so required more push than the standard settings were providing so going slower than the original 11 helped to get the back further down.

First time I surfed (regular) with a skim - a very short one but pretty fast. Not enough push so we tried to get nose more (or back digging further in) but nothing happened. Listing didn't work either (even when setting it to -10) boat stayed dead level. I'm missing the trough behind the boat (or the wall next to me …) comparing to the Malibu last year ...

Yes wave is clean either side - never an issue -

So will try once with additional ballast - big question is where to put it. Because it's a 540lbs bag - I won't be able to move it once it's filled? I have also a set of 125lbs bags which I could move but that may not be sufficient. Will also go out tonight with a more people so can move and may have a drone this time to provide some footage
Old     (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       05-15-2018, 7:30 AM Reply   
So the wave on the SL, is SUPER forgiving on both sides. I can go like 2-5 degrees of list on goofy, and 0 to -3 or 4 on regular. Autowake will allow people to move and keep you good, and because its so forgiving, it just works. This is the best surf wave and setup I have been on, and I truly can't say enough.

We are on a road trip now crossing the country and hitting several lakes, here is our latest video from a 2 days ago. This is stock FULL, 575 lbs of lead, and just the 4 of us that you see in the video. And you can see the wave I riding, with just my wife and 2 kids in the boat.

Don't walk, run to demo one of these, or hit me up, I will give you a ride. ;-)

Old     (Shockthis)      Join Date: May 2014       05-15-2018, 7:35 AM Reply   
Maybe you need to calibrate auto wake. I went with stock ballast no extra weight, 3 kids which total 100 lbs and a driver. the stock wake had tons of push, I regularly surf behind a g23 and it had more push than that, I could go back so far. I am running 4.5 roll and 7.5 pitch on goofy. the wake has lots of push at the back, it is more of a skim wave with lots of room for tricks.
My friend just traded his g23 on a SL to and he thought it surfed better too. (he runs 600 lbs lead, some in the cooler and some under the seats mid ship)
Old     (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       05-15-2018, 7:37 AM Reply   
I forgot to mention, I am dialing in to 10 degrees of pitch, 4 degrees of roll for goofy and -2 for regular. That is basically level. So I have only one profile and with that setup, I can do transfers all day long. Push a button to go either side, and the system doesn't even need to adjust, one setup, works for both sides. And that is not my "transfer" setup that I use for transfers, and then have another for "hard core" surfing. I use that same setup all the time, it is that easy and great.

I go into more detail in this video on how I set it up, and then there is another video where I interview one of the engineers about the new surf system that makes the wave so clean and autowake 2.0.

Old     (euro2012)      Join Date: Mar 2017       05-15-2018, 9:12 AM Reply   
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I forgot to mention, I am dialing in to 10 degrees of pitch, 4 degrees of roll for goofy and -2 for regular. That is basically level. So I have only one profile and with that setup, I can do transfers all day long. Push a button to go either side, and the system doesn't even need to adjust, one setup, works for both sides. And that is not my "transfer" setup that I use for transfers, and then have another for "hard core" surfing. I use that same setup all the time, it is that easy and great.

I go into more detail in this video on how I set it up, and then there is another video where I interview one of the engineers about the new surf system that makes the wave so clean and autowake 2.0.

I watched that video, tons of great info in it. Thanks for posting that. Perhaps I missed it, but do you run with Autowake on or off Ragboy?
Old     (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       05-15-2018, 9:48 AM Reply   
Haha, that is in this video:



Now, I know that is a long one, but if you are like me, you are going to enjoy the content. But here is the short answer to your question. When it is just the 4 of us, which is not the usual, we are always riding with others, I just fill up 100% on all and don't turn it on. I have already placed the lead for the perfect wake (10 and 4, and 10 and -2) for just the 4 of us. When I go out with others, especially when with a boat load where I know people are going to be shifting, I turn it on and it JUST WORKS. There is no marketing hype, I am using it when no one is looking, all day. I love it.
Old     (drnate)      Join Date: Jul 2006       05-15-2018, 9:56 AM Reply   
I just don't get that. All these new boats with all this new tech and the prices are out of this world and you still have to add 500+ pounds of lead and trailer your boat around with that. Are they all like that? (Yes, I know they surfable "stock" but we all are wake snobs and want the best we can get). I guess it's just too bad you can't get that straight from the factory, even after all these years.
Old     (euro2012)      Join Date: Mar 2017       05-15-2018, 9:56 AM Reply   
Thanks Ragboy, thats on the list of videos to watch, lol! Just wondered about auto wake since it tends to dump ballast to achieve its settings (assuming all tanks are full to begin with), which would negate the goal of trying to get as much displacement as possible. Ultimately pitch and roll are more crucial, I believe, although it seems like you have found what works best for you without auto wake, giving you the best wave possible. Tougher when people start moving around and things aren't as consistent. Makes sense to have it on then. Thanks again for all your info!
Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-15-2018, 2:07 PM Reply   
well some boats like Malibu don't even surf right until you put plug and play in - stock ballast will be useless (for those who now start to go off the cliff - I had a 2017 23LSV last year and sold it … so I actually do know). Sometimes you just want to achieve something more and see what's best. I have learned that more isn't always better - with my Epic before the Malibu and now trying to figure out what really works with the SL.

As someone else stated in other forums - sometimes it's the board which can make a huge difference … luckily we have plenty of boards to choose from - but that also says that there's just no a 'one fits all' size.

What ragboy stated above is the key to the SL - figure out what truly works manually and once you're there - let the system do the rest because I still have to admit - counter to everything I have done in the past - the system is working with stock ballast extremely well. Would I not be able to compare with the Malibu from last season I would say awesome wave … But I can … now to make the Bu work meant additional plug and play (700lbs each side in the back) and a bow bag (to put in the front and fill with pump overboard) to keep the bow down (or not - I still had to stand to drive the boat safely). Malibu has addressed that somewhat with the 2018 model but the 23 is known for bow rise. This was one of the main reasons that I sold the boat because I wasn't comfortable.

Anyway - back to SL setup - just watched the first video - didn't see that before - lake test in an hour
Old     (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       05-15-2018, 10:34 PM Reply   
@drnate First, you need to add anything to the SL, its great, and i could surf it stock, as I did in the review. But just a few hundred lbs of lead and it is as good as any boat I or my kids (RJ included) then just about ANY boat we have been on with any weight. So with that bit extra, its amazing and we get all the storage, there is NOT even any plug and play, its great. So try the SL without extra.

That said, lets say they go to 4000 underfloor, someone is is still going to add more. Also, just a few hundred lbs helps you dial the wake like I show in those later videos. For instance, friends of mine have G23s, that they love "stock", but they all have a few hundred lbs of lead to help dial it exactly how they want. When you buy a new truck, do you add a subwoofer, bug deflector, its about the same. With our previous boats, we had to add a lot of extra ballast to get what we want, and I think your point is more valid, but I don't think so much on this one.

@euro2012 The new autowake 2.0 has a new sensor called "amplitude" and it is the priority sensor for the system. In other words, the system is first going to make sure it keeps the maximum ballast possible to achieve the set pitch and roll. It WILL dump some balance if you for instance have everyone sit on the regular side, but are trying to surf goofy. If you just sit everyone fairly level, it just works.

I was out all afternoon with a group of 6 people I have never met in person today on Lake Norman, NC. They can attest and I showed them, I turned on AW when we started and other then speed changes I did nothing. I even did transfers and surf goofy and regular people out of order, and did nothing but hit the button for the other side. The level weighted setup (10 pitch, 4 goofy, -2 regular are my settings) allow you to switch side to side without any adjustment. Go ride one and try it or come give us a visit for a ride, it really works that well, and that easy.

My family and friends are fanatical. RJ can tell if someone farts and the weight is a bit different, and will complain, but that is the other part of this SL that makes it work so well. The wave is EXTREMELY forgiving on both sides. For instance, on other boats the goofy side needs more list and you have maybe 1 degree of play. Too little list and its not clean, and too much and its rolled over or loses shape. With the new 2018 swell 3.0 (and this should apply to all supras for 2018) the forgiveness on each side is more like 4-5 degrees. So if you are at the set 4 degrees on goofy, and someone moves and it goes to 6, or maybe to 2.5, its still great. Then the much faster 6 pump system reacts and fixes it VERY quickly so the rider, even someone like RJ, doesn't complain.

Then, this is also helped by the fact that AW 2.0 also works when sitting still. AW 1.0 would only start 10 seconds after you get up to speed. Now, if you are sitting, and someone moves, the system is adjusting so you are dead on ONCE you get moving. That last video with the Matt Brown interview goes into more detail about that.

That all may sound too good to be true, but I never say stuff like this unless I have FIRST tested it myself, and can prove it if you get on my boat.
Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-16-2018, 8:33 AM Reply   
so quick report on last night … added 125 small sacs midship on both sides - filled everything up and then used the above settings from ragboy … 3 peeps in the boat plus the 4 dogs. At first - start/wave looked awesome but autowake started to dump immediately in the front to achieve pitch. So tried again - filling up - etc. to see where pitch is at with that setting. Ended up at 8.5 - changed setting - turned AW back on … and boom … same person/board behind the boat as a few days ago … and smiling - all I can say. Haven't tried regular so to be tested.

wakeboarding also turned into something much more interesting for myself - my profile seems to play out now pretty well. Amplitude at 50, tab at 30, 21.5mph, rope at 65ft. Lots of pop … For my buddy the setting is still in the making - it doesn't fill the ballast as full as for me and he rides at 22.5mph and 70ft. Wake isn't as steep but he got plenty of air but over-rotated … so it's getting used to as well as making additional adjustments to the setup
Old     (euro2012)      Join Date: Mar 2017       05-16-2018, 10:27 AM Reply   
If its dumping nose weight when Autowake is on, then I would move those bags you have from midship to the rear lockers. That will allow for steeper pitch without dumping nose weight. If Autowake starts dumping ballast, its a sign that you need to move more weight to the non dumping, or full side. Make sense?
Old     (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       05-17-2018, 12:23 AM Reply   
That is correct, either you need to adjust your static weight, or set your angles differently. But if those angles give the best weight, then you adjust your static weight. So we install our lead, so that when we fill all ballast to 100% and its just our family, the angles are perfect, and its the same for both sides.
Old     (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-17-2018, 10:43 AM Reply   
monkey-butt - I see what you are saying now. When you said listing earlier, I thought you meant you were truly listing and putting more weight on one side of the boat versus the other. We are on the same page with the autowake and pitch and roll settings now...
Old     (monkey_butt)      Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Twin Cities       05-22-2018, 6:45 AM Reply   
so after a few more trials - here's one more observation Ö the 4 dogs are required for ballast purposes Ö funny as 2 of them usually sit on the sun deck watching while the other 2 are somewhere inside the boat Ö huge difference if they're not there.

Bottom line is that the wake is as good as the Malibu 23LSV - but not better. However that being said - the Malibu required additional PnP and a bow bag to keep the bow down to get to the same spot - which meant about 10+ minutes of filling and pumps overboard etc. - so this is much easier.

We will be trying to weigh it down a bit more - just to see what it does or doesn't do. As I'm not going with lead - I will eventually plumb the bags midship into the standard bags below so I can fill/drain them using the same pumps - idea here is to use the overflow/vent to go into upper bag and then run hose from upper bag to overflow/vent - most simple solution I can come up with at this point. The following bag may fit perfectly (only 8" high) Ö and would keep my storage still intact

https://www.the-house.com/wkslsum250...last-bags.html

will provide pics once fully installed ...
Old     (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       05-23-2018, 9:35 AM Reply   
Just a note about how I use lead that may be helpful. I think I would always set up any boat to use about 4-500 lbs of lead. The reason for that is that there are situations where you can quickly move some lead but tough to move an installed sac.

As an example, I am using a pitch of 10 - 11, usually 10 or 10.5 on our SL, and its outstanding. On a few occasions, we will get a large group of people, and everyone wants to sit in the back of the boat to watch the riding, or maybe the weather isn't that good, its cold, so the people weight is focused in the back and no one goes in the bow. In order to achieve the right pitch, the system cannot add any more weight to get the bow down, so you would have to pull weight out of the rear bags, which is fine, if that is what you want to do.

However, when this happens, I just move some of the lead I have in the midship, or rear, and put in the bow.

Lead is outstanding for this type of adjustment, and I believe 400-600 lbs is def a safe amount to keep in the boat. IMHO.

HTH

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