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Old     (Jlanman4)      Join Date: May 2013       05-06-2013, 5:07 PM Reply   
Looking to upgrade from my '86 2001 and looking to spend under $20k. I've been looking at some Super Sports, a friend has suggested an older x star. Any thoughts as far as better wake, better for surfing, etc?
Old     (williamburell)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-06-2013, 5:11 PM Reply   
The 205v/early stars are a great wake and great all around boats. Can't speak for the surf wake but the wakeboard wake is awesome. Watch the vinyl on that early 00' years vintage. The original vinyl was crap and you'll get 2-3k deep on new vinyl. Just fyi your gonna be hard to find one sub 20 though. Old stars are like gold
Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-06-2013, 5:17 PM Reply   
sanger's arent a bad choice in that price range... earlier this year a guy by me got a 2006 supra 20v for 16500
Old     (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       05-06-2013, 5:21 PM Reply   
Tough to find nice V-drive for under 20K, like William said. Kind of like Big Foot, King Kong and El Chupacabra. They are out there but the sightings are rare!!!

You find the well used/ beat up ones for sub 20K and like said above you can turn those into a money pit quick. Your going to have to hit the early models..thats mid to late 90's for most manufacturers.
Old     (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       05-06-2013, 5:23 PM Reply   
But boarder, as we all know that was the "Big Foot" sightings of deals. That was beyond a steal...once in a lifetime deal. Thats surely not the norm!
Old     (Jlanman4)      Join Date: May 2013       05-06-2013, 6:06 PM Reply   
http://daytona.craigslist.org/boa/3780336194.html

Thoughts?
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-06-2013, 6:52 PM Reply   
I wouldn't be in that boat for 18.5. It needs an interior... 17-17.5 though...
Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-06-2013, 7:01 PM Reply   
Hey ima keep dreaming someone else on that overpriced lake has a 2003-2006 SANTE they have to get rid of b/c they want a pontoon ... and put it up for 14k.
Old     (humboldt9)      Join Date: Jun 2004       05-06-2013, 7:50 PM Reply   
Looks like your in FL if so probably can't help unless you are willing to ship. There are usually some really nice Sanger V210's that pop up on craigslist and boattader out here on the West coast. Best bang for the buck if your looking for a quality used v-drive in that price range. Oh and disclaimer... I own one.
Old     (bwake)      Join Date: Sep 2009       05-07-2013, 12:14 AM Reply   
Sanger V210
Old     (zimme)      Join Date: Feb 2013       05-07-2013, 6:08 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardman74 View Post
But boarder, as we all know that was the "Big Foot" sightings of deals. That was beyond a steal...once in a lifetime deal. Thats surely not the norm!
Indeed it was. That's my boat Border42 is talking about. While it was cheap, there's still issues with it. It was a neglected boat cosmetically, but the drivetrain is awesome and very strong (because they hired a mechanic to do everything). The boat needs new vinyl, needs a ballast drain pump, needs a deep carpet clean, full detail including polish, wax, buff, etc. The stereo was old and speaker foam was cracked, so that's getting redone. My point is that if you want a boat that you can turn the key on and be ready to go, sub 20k is going to be tough without putting some man hours into it. I'm fine with doing some repairs on mine, but others might not be the same way. Still a hell of a deal though.

As for sub 20k boats, the 205v will probably be your best bet. The 205v is the same hull as the x-star, so even if you find one of those without the tower/ballast system you can always add those on later. You can definitely get into an older MC Maristar which is a V-drive. Those can be had for mid teens if you find the right boat.
Old     (williamburell)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-07-2013, 6:10 AM Reply   
Quote:
Indeed it was. That's my boat Border42 is talking about. While it was cheap, there's still issues with it. It was a neglected boat cosmetically, but the drivetrain is awesome and very strong (because they hired a mechanic to do everything). The boat needs new vinyl, needs a ballast drain pump, needs a deep carpet clean, full detail including polish, wax, buff, etc. The stereo was old and speaker foam was cracked, so that's getting redone. My point is that if you want a boat that you can turn the key on and be ready to go, sub 20k is going to be tough without putting some man hours into it. I'm fine with doing some repairs on mine, but others might not be the same way. Still a hell of a deal though.
Don't rub it in.........you might get an internet whippin again
Old     (zimme)      Join Date: Feb 2013       05-07-2013, 6:34 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by williamburell View Post
Don't rub it in.........you might get an internet whippin again
Haha nah, he's a good guy. I plan to use the boat for a wake the world event he's organizing, and I told him before he's welcome to take a pull anytime.
Old     (williamburell)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-07-2013, 7:37 AM Reply   
I know but have to pick alil bit
Old     (dvsone79)      Join Date: Dec 2012       05-07-2013, 7:47 AM Reply   
I own a '99 205v (same hull as Xstar) and it has a killer boarding wake. Surf wake is ok, it's high enough and plenty of push, but the pocket isn't very long. For around $20k, you will not find a better wake for boarding. You may have to travel to get one, but IMO it would be worth it.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       05-07-2013, 8:24 AM Reply   
FWIW / Pricing sake

We sold our 1995' Supersport Nautique last year
650 hours
Tower - Board Racks - Mirror
6 Tower speakers - 2 - 12" subs - 2 amps - 2 batteries
New interior
Dual axle trailer
2200 lbs ballast plumbed in (900 rear - 800 ski locker - 500 bow)
2 props (one specific for lots of ballast)
exterior pretty perfect shape
... sold it for $16,000

The Boat -


Wakeboard wake (very temperamental from left/right weight)


Surfing wave -
Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-07-2013, 8:45 AM Reply   
Dang nick i'll take that boat for 16k every day. dont find many that pop up around here like that.
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-07-2013, 9:01 AM Reply   
That boat is great and a great deal at his original asking price of 17.5... He had it for sale for a decent amnt of time if memory serves me well.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       05-07-2013, 10:47 AM Reply   
Quote:
He had it for sale for a decent amnt of time if memory serves me well.
We put it up for 20k in the spring, figured if someone would pay 20 it was theirs and we would deal with no boat for a summer....

Of course no one wanted to pay 20k for it so fall came around and we dropped the price accordingly... Had a guy coming to pay $17,000 but my brother didn't want to be boat-less so he bought it off me for $16,000.... I knocked another $1,000 off for him since I can still use it when I go back "home".

We paid 17k for it like 6 years before (bone stock) but it only had 300 hours.

If you can find a supersport, go for it, we LOVED everything about the boat (for the price). Just sort of narrow (makes it sensitive to weight distribution) ... other than that, awesome boat.
Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-07-2013, 10:56 AM Reply   
how tall are you for wake size comparison?
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       05-07-2013, 11:33 AM Reply   
I am 6' / 6'1"
Old     (fouroheight68)      Join Date: May 2006       05-07-2013, 11:47 AM Reply   
I picked up my original owner 2002 Centurion Elite V for 12k, so deals are definitely out there.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-07-2013, 11:59 AM Reply   
That's a smokin price on that Super Sport with those hours and how it's equiped.
Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-07-2013, 1:34 PM Reply   
i check craigslist in 4 cities at least once a day looking for deals like that.
Old     (dvsone79)      Join Date: Dec 2012       05-07-2013, 1:54 PM Reply   
A pic of the wake behind my '99 205v:
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Old     (dvsone79)      Join Date: Dec 2012       05-07-2013, 1:57 PM Reply   
And the surf wave: for reference, the rider in both pics (my brother) is 6'4".
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Old     (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       05-07-2013, 4:53 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by sidekicknicholas View Post
FWIW / Pricing sake

We sold our 1995' Supersport Nautique last year
650 hours
Tower - Board Racks - Mirror
6 Tower speakers - 2 - 12" subs - 2 amps - 2 batteries
New interior
Dual axle trailer
2200 lbs ballast plumbed in (900 rear - 800 ski locker - 500 bow)
2 props (one specific for lots of ballast)
exterior pretty perfect shape
... sold it for $16,000

The Boat -


Wakeboard wake (very temperamental from left/right weight)


Surfing wave -
I want one of those for $16,000
Old     (zimme)      Join Date: Feb 2013       05-17-2013, 8:26 AM Reply   
17,500 for a 00 x-star. Needs some interior, but still a hell of a deal.

http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/...ad.php?t=52923
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-17-2013, 9:34 AM Reply   
Hell of a deal? Boat needs 1500-2500 to have the interior redone and who knows what else? It looks like it was treated poorly. You can grab 2000 X's for 20-23... all day

Edit: not as many on OI as I remember, but fall/winter there were a few...

Last edited by wakebordr11; 05-17-2013 at 9:39 AM.
Old     (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       05-17-2013, 9:44 AM Reply   
I agree not a good deal for what looks like a neglected boat. I'd say a solid 2500 in upholstery and like delta said who knows what else. Thing looks rough and not just the seats. Look up into the bow.
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-17-2013, 9:50 AM Reply   
I am also realizing - though I do not agree, that people are attempting to market their boats at a 5-8000 premium due to summer being here. I strongly believe that the winter market is where the prices should be at - 19-22 for a decent 2000 xstar or super air etc... Onlyinboards looks heavily inflated right now and I don't agree...

Of course - at this stage in the game, I am a tire kicker but I feel I have a strong grasp of what is worth what
Old     (zimme)      Join Date: Feb 2013       05-17-2013, 10:06 AM Reply   
Sure it needs interior and a good cleaning... but if you want to get into a v-drive cheap, that's the way to do it. Sometimes people don't mind the elbow grease and a little work when you can get into something cheaper and save a little money. I know I don't mind...
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       05-17-2013, 10:20 AM Reply   
With a brand new interior, a good cleaning and assuming the mechanicals are good, then I would say that's a $25k boat in this market. IMO, a fair deal. Not the steal of the century, but it's fair.
Old     (fouroheight68)      Join Date: May 2006       05-17-2013, 11:27 AM Reply   
I looked for boats for the past 2 years. I honestly see no difference in Summer and Winter pricing. People think (as I did) that you gotta "snag a deal in the offseason". Well, everyone who is looking for a wakeboat is thinking that, and everyone who is selling one is waiting for summer. So, you end up with a ton of buyers (demand) and a shortage of sellers (supply). You do the math. I've seen quote a few deals pop up lately (more than winter). Example - Cherry 2003 v210 in San Jose for 19,500.
Old     (fouroheight68)      Join Date: May 2006       05-17-2013, 11:29 AM Reply   
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/boa/3799010192.html
Old     (iShredSAN)      Join Date: Apr 2012       05-17-2013, 11:30 AM Reply   
Bought this 1999 SAN in 2012 for $17,000. There are deals out there, just gotta find em...
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Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-17-2013, 11:37 AM Reply   
look at teamtalk ... there is an Xstar on there for 17500... you're gonna need to redo the vinyl but other than that He wants to sell before june so you may be able to get him down on that price
Old     (fouroheight68)      Join Date: May 2006       05-17-2013, 11:39 AM Reply   
Like I said, I bought an 02 Elite-V Storm Series for 12k from the original owner a few weeks ago. Deals are out there.
Old     (hawkeye7708)      Join Date: Feb 2007       05-17-2013, 11:47 AM Reply   
Asking price is one thing...
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-17-2013, 12:47 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by fouroheight68 View Post
Like I said, I bought an 02 Elite-V Storm Series for 12k from the original owner a few weeks ago. Deals are out there.
You got a repo deal from a friend through the bank... good luck doing that anywhere else
Old     (gene3x)      Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallas , TX       05-17-2013, 3:09 PM Reply   
Just picked up a 2001 Launch SSV for $20,500 last month. It needed some work but engines runs well with 700 hours on it.
Was having second thoughts but now comfortable with my purchase after reading a little.
Thoughts?
Old     (Dmac420sj)      Join Date: Mar 2012       05-17-2013, 7:14 PM Reply   
Bank repos don't count as good deals. Lol
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-17-2013, 7:36 PM Reply   
Meant to say short sale, which he coordinated with his friend.
Old     (petrie141)      Join Date: Jun 2012       05-17-2013, 7:38 PM Reply   
I'm in the works of getting a '99 Malibu sunsetter VLX right now. 450ish hours, tower, and racks (no built in ballast). The interior has a few nicks/scratches here and there, but that's nothing that my dogs wouldn't end up doing... The price was $19,995. The steering cable was messed up, but they're fixing that for me and installing perfect pass (which I'm paying for separate). V-Drives under 20k do exist, but like someone said earlier, they're hard to find. Usually someone knew someone who heard from someone else that so-and-so got a good deal on one... blah blah... my deal is happening now, right at the start of the season. If you keep looking hard, you just might find one!



Old     (petrie141)      Join Date: Jun 2012       05-17-2013, 7:41 PM Reply   
PS... what were they thinking when they put that table behind the driver's seat? ^^^^^^^^^
Old     (Dmac420sj)      Join Date: Mar 2012       05-17-2013, 7:52 PM Reply   
Lunch!
Old     (petrie141)      Join Date: Jun 2012       05-17-2013, 8:20 PM Reply   
I'm not expecting this boat (and the link it's attached to) to last long.

http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/3801225817.html
Old     (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       05-17-2013, 9:11 PM Reply   
That boat is super clean. No way you are making that one for 17.5K look like that for 2 grand. Just shows that isn't a good deal at 17.5K.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-17-2013, 9:17 PM Reply   
LOL @ the "$4000 sound system."

Translation: "I was majorly ripped off at Best Buy and expect you to cover my stupidity on a $ for $ basis."
Old     (zimme)      Join Date: Feb 2013       05-17-2013, 9:39 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardman74 View Post
That boat is super clean. No way you are making that one for 17.5K look like that for 2 grand. Just shows that isn't a good deal at 17.5K.
17.5 is still a good deal... that one for 19,500 is just a better deal.

I picked this up for 16,500 earlier this year:



Old     (gene3x)      Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallas , TX       05-17-2013, 10:46 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by petrie141 View Post
I'm not expecting this boat (and the link it's attached to) to last long.

http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/3801225817.html
That makes me sick...... I actually drove to Austin to pickup my new rig. That looks like the best deal I have seen in awhile.
Old     (gene3x)      Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallas , TX       05-17-2013, 10:47 PM Reply   
Oh.... and Mike, please tell me you are joking.
Old     (zimme)      Join Date: Feb 2013       05-17-2013, 11:08 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by gene3x View Post
Oh.... and Mike, please tell me you are joking.
Not joking.
Old     (Gotmods)      Join Date: Nov 2012       05-17-2013, 11:31 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by zimme View Post
Not joking.
I've stolen some boats over the years but that is still one of the best deals I've ever seen. Good luck to the super deal hunters out there topping that one, you won't find a deal like that and have more then 12 seconds to snatch it up, luck somehow plays into the equation!
Old     (natedogg)      Join Date: Aug 2011       05-18-2013, 9:37 AM Reply   
Scored a 96 Super Sport with tower and 400 hours for 9500 2 summers ago, the guy really had no idea what it was worth and i wasn't going to tell him otherwise haha. I was on CL and onlyinboard 24/7 and I was the first person that replied to the ad, With close to 1800lbs and 4 or 5 people its a very legit wake.
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-18-2013, 9:53 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimme View Post
17.5 is still a good deal... that one for 19,500 is just a better deal.

I picked this up for 16,500 earlier this year:



17.5 is fair, 19.5 for that nice example is better, a pretty good deal... great deal judging by the rest of the boats I see out there for that much or more...
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-18-2013, 9:53 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by natedogg View Post
Scored a 96 Super Sport with tower and 400 hours for 9500 2 summers ago, the guy really had no idea what it was worth and i wasn't going to tell him otherwise haha. I was on CL and onlyinboard 24/7 and I was the first person that replied to the ad, With close to 1800lbs and 4 or 5 people its a very legit wake.
You got a rare, great deal
Old     (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-21-2013, 11:47 AM Reply   
I saw a 2004 Centurion Avalanche on Seattle Craigslist for 23,500 with only 500 hours it, on Sunday. I don't know how to attatch a link, but do a search on Seattle CL and it will come up if it's still available.
Old     (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-21-2013, 11:52 AM Reply   
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/3811411740.html
here's a link, not sure if it will work, but it's still up!
Old     (fouroheight68)      Join Date: May 2006       05-22-2013, 3:15 PM Reply   
Looks like a 2002 Elite V for 17k http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/boa/3820695252.html
Old     (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vancouver WA       05-23-2013, 2:11 PM Reply   
On the Portland OR craigslist, there's been a late 90's Maxum V-Drive that has a tower, perfect pass, hard wired ballast system and somewhere in that 500 hour range that's had a $14,500 asking price for months...

I even had some friends that went to look at it. It didn't have the original tower (so had a few extra mounting holes?) and it only had a single axle trailer. But for the money, it seemed pretty nice. I didn't even know Maxum made a tournament style v-drive.

It's listing has expired, so I don't have a link for ya'all.
Old     (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vancouver WA       05-23-2013, 3:20 PM Reply   
Here's another one that I've been seeing for a long time out of SW Washington. 1990 Sanger v-drive with tower, 600 hours for $14k.

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/boa/3814502084.html

Old     (Gotmods)      Join Date: Nov 2012       05-23-2013, 4:01 PM Reply   
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Here's another one that I've been seeing for a long time out of SW Washington. 1990 Sanger v-drive with tower, 600 hours for $14k.

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/boa/3814502084.html

Sure looks like the engine is directly behind the pylon that is right behind the drivers seat?
Old     (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vancouver WA       05-23-2013, 4:07 PM Reply   
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Sure looks like the engine is directly behind the pylon that is right behind the drivers seat?
Yeah, you're right. I read the description in the ad w/o looking at the pics close enough.
Old     (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       05-23-2013, 5:25 PM Reply   
Maxum made that boat for just 2 or 3 years. I forget what they called it but it was the same as the Bayliner(both US Marine). The Bayliners were called Ski Challenger(DD) and Wake Challenger(V Drive). There was a 20 and a 22. Direct drive was a 21. Made in 97 and 98 for sure. Possible 96 also, but for sure 98 was the last year of production. I owned the 97 Ski Challenger. Bought it brand new and had nothing but problems. Took a year to sort out all the issues and a winter back at the factory. It put out a good wake and I have heard the V drives to also. But they are super cheaply made. Plenty of wood in the boat too. I wouldn't own another one unless it was cheap.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       05-23-2013, 7:25 PM Reply   
First ugly Sanger I've seen....
Old     (natedogg)      Join Date: Aug 2011       05-23-2013, 7:50 PM Reply   
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What is the wake like on the Elite V, Looks like a good deal!
Old     (illini88)      Join Date: Oct 2007       05-23-2013, 7:54 PM Reply   
I have an elite v and the wake is fine. I've obviously been behind boats with better wakes, but it gets the job done. It's been a great boat. Plenty of interior space.
Old     (natedogg)      Join Date: Aug 2011       05-23-2013, 7:57 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by illini88 View Post
I have an elite v and the wake is fine. I've obviously been behind boats with better wakes, but it gets the job done. It's been a great boat. Plenty of interior space.
Im in a CC super sport now which is the same as the super air hull, and im wanting to get in something with less of a rampy transition on the wakeboard wake and something that has more space like the elite V, and something that surfs better. Do you have any wake pics handy?
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-23-2013, 11:19 PM Reply   
Nate, the SS hull is anything but rampy. It's a massive wall that boots you. As far as surfing it goes, you probably just need to figure out how to weight it properly plus perfect pass is a must for surfing with that hull.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-23-2013, 11:20 PM Reply   
Meant to say SS wake.
Old     (natedogg)      Join Date: Aug 2011       05-24-2013, 1:44 PM Reply   
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Nate, the SS hull is anything but rampy. It's a massive wall that boots you. As far as surfing it goes, you probably just need to figure out how to weight it properly plus perfect pass is a must for surfing with that hull.
When i say rampy i was comparing it to a quarter pipe ramp haha, but yea it is like a wall for sure, and i have the surf wake as dialed as it can be but i am regular footed so its a lil harder to get that side wake was good bc the prop rotation. I am just curious about the centurion elite v, I am happy with my CC SS but the grass is always greener right..
Old     (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-24-2013, 1:54 PM Reply   
I think the Elite V has the same hull as a Avalanche, but I could be wrong. My Avy puts out a excellent surf wave and a ok wakeboard wake (2004)
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       05-24-2013, 8:56 PM Reply   
http://www.wakeworld.com/classifield....php?view=3380

Is this real?
Old     (BlazeSr)      Join Date: Dec 2012       05-24-2013, 9:48 PM Reply   
How come nobody is talking tige' 21V? They can be obtained for right at 20k.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       05-27-2013, 6:06 AM Reply   
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I think the Elite V has the same hull as a Avalanche, but I could be wrong. My Avy puts out a excellent surf wave and a ok wakeboard wake (2004)
The Elite V C4 has a smaller version of the Avalanche hull. The non-c4 Elite V is a different, older hull design, which is less desirable, but still throws a good wake/wave once dialed in.
Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-27-2013, 10:27 AM Reply   
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No this is fake and needs to be taken down.. the guy wants to use amazon payments. The boat is supposedly at a shipping site in maine.

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