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Old     (exposuremx)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-16-2008, 4:17 PM Reply   
What are your thoughts on the 230 Wake from seadoo? Anyone have one or ridden behind one? Looks like a great fit for us since the rest of the family wants to stick with a seadoo style boat but I want a wake boat...

Let me know your thoughts...this looks like the boat they may be getting...
Old     (882001)      Join Date: Nov 2003       07-16-2008, 5:38 PM Reply   
oh no, not again
Old     (kid_a)      Join Date: Sep 2004       07-16-2008, 6:10 PM Reply   
With high gas prices the more important thing to look at in getting a seadoo boat is the GPH. I'm pretty certain any inboard will do much better than a seadoo boat. boattest.com has some info on that.
Old     (rbeckei)      Join Date: May 2007       07-16-2008, 7:24 PM Reply   
If it fits your family then get it. BUT do not EVEN try to compare it to a V-drive or a direct drive
Old     (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-16-2008, 7:29 PM Reply   
I'm not sure your going to get many favorable comments from a forum like this, Chris.

In my experience, jet boats typically don't put out very good wakes and cost more to run & repair than most any inboard or v-drive.

But if it works for you, more power to ya. Maybe a SeaDoo forum can give you comments more to your liking.
Old     (exposuremx)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-16-2008, 7:33 PM Reply   
I hear ya...thanks for the input... If I had the cash I'd be dropping it on a V-drive but I don't so I'm at the mercy of the masses. I'm thankful to get a pull of anything I can, considering it costs me nothing to do so I should be greatful reguardless of what is sitting at the dock :-)

Thanks guys!
Old     (trace)      Join Date: Feb 2002       07-17-2008, 4:19 AM Reply   
How much money are you talking about spending? You can pick up a nice V-drive for as little as $15-20k.
Old     (exposuremx)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-17-2008, 4:26 AM Reply   
The money side isn't set in stone, he had mentioned going into the $40's if that's what we needed but the problem is the majority of the family wants to stick with the Jetboat because they are afraid of the prop...not even going there and the lake is very rocky so he is affraid of damaging props... however, stay in the right places and there won't be any issues :-) We have one of the only jetboats on the lake...90 % of the lake has prop driven boats but it's like preaching to the chior...they don't want to hear it.

I've been researching wake boats for the last year and I've found so many great deals for well under $40K even in the 15-20K range as mentioned above. I guess it comes down to beggers can't be choosers and since I am not buying the boat I can only give suggestions but in the end he will buy what he wants to buy.
Old     (siuski)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-17-2008, 5:03 AM Reply   
I've ridden behind the 230. I was pleasantly surprized by the wake. Doesn't look that great, but had more pop than I was expecting. The boat I was on had at least 1 additional sac in it. Go test drive one.
Old     (trace)      Join Date: Feb 2002       07-17-2008, 7:15 AM Reply   
Bummer, but any free boat is a great boat.

I do remember seeing wake pics a couple years ago from the Yamaha 23' wake edition or whatever, and was also pleasantly surprised.
Old     (rich_g)      Join Date: May 2003       07-17-2008, 7:21 AM Reply   
my friend has one; don't know if it's the SeaDoo or the Yamaha, but one of the big ones. The only comment I heard is that the wake is incredibly wide.
Old     (evil0ne)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-17-2008, 8:43 AM Reply   
Prop and rocks are bad but jet impellers don't like them either. Inboard props are plenty safe. If you're worried about the prop hurting someone you probably shouldn't be operating a boat.

(Message edited by evil0ne on July 17, 2008)
Old     (nauty_tique)      Join Date: Nov 2005       07-17-2008, 10:33 AM Reply   
Hey Chris, much respect for being so down to earth. You have the best attitude towards the situation! And at the end of the day it's about having fun and being safe. More power to ya!
Old     (brody66)      Join Date: Jul 2008       07-17-2008, 4:25 PM Reply   
I would say stay away from them only because they are going to burn a ton of fuel and the ones i have seen are as much money as a nice v-drive
Old     (pennery)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-17-2008, 5:26 PM Reply   
How about the re-sale value on them... And there have to be way more buyers out there for a wake boat...
Old     (kvoman)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-17-2008, 5:47 PM Reply   
Check out www.yamahajetboaters.com for the Yamaha boats or www.seadoosportboats.com or www.seadoo.net for the SeaDoo boats for more accurate information.

You'll be pleasantly surprise how fuel efficient the Yamaha AR230HO is.

Resale value on boats is bad no matter what kind it is. Take a look at the resale values over at the For Sale Forum as proof!!!

If you're a good wakeboarder or just purely are into wakeboarding/wakeskating/surfing, the jet boats will definitely not provide the wake you're looking for.

(Message edited by kvoman on July 17, 2008)
Old     (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-17-2008, 7:15 PM Reply   
By RPenner (pennery) "How about the re-sale value on them... And there have to be way more buyers out there for a wake boat..."

I hate to tell you but there is almost no demand for wake boats compared to conventional runabouts. Next time your at your favorite pro shop, ask the owner what their biggest customers are into..... wakeboard is 2nd to only one.... and it's like 100 times more popular.

I have no idea where jet boats come into that mix.
Old     (tj_in_kc)      Join Date: Jan 2008       07-18-2008, 6:30 AM Reply   
bill, what does that mean?

wakeboard is 2nd to only one....and it's like 100 times more popular?
Old     (sailing216)      Join Date: Oct 2007       07-18-2008, 8:25 AM Reply   
yamaha jets are rock solid reliability. That's why most rental places use yamaha skis. No tranny to deal with but two engines.

Gas usage is 5-6gph for both engines on the Yamaha. My big V8 v-drive is 3-6GPH depending on the ballast we are running.

Yamaha has a 212 'X' that has some ballast and bigger engines, nice wide boat, and about $36-38k. Perfect pass is available, but it's aftermarket. Stay away from anything supercharged from SeaDoo.

If it was me, and not core boarding family or in the future, I'd get a used Yammie AR230 for under $30k, add some ballast under the seats, add Perfect Pass, and be done with it for $33k. Great all around boat and not scared of shallow water. Build quality is low on both jet brands. Engines are rock solid but you'll deal with crap guages. Their websites are really good with these questions.
If it's just the prop that scares the family, than V-drive. If your lake is sandbar happy and you want to have fun in the shallows, then jet.
Boating Mag did a comparison of V-drive, Jet, and I/o and the Jet and I/O virtually tied for second and the V-drive was way out front in quality of the wake. Good luck. Get what fits your family.
Old     (kvoman)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-18-2008, 9:40 AM Reply   
Data gathered from boattest.com.

Malibu Wakesetter LSV with 340-hp Indmar Monsoon 340
http://www.boattest.com/boats/1720/test_results.aspx

Test Power: 1 x 340-hp Indmar HammerHead 383
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG NMPG Range NM Range dBa
700 4.8 4.1 1.0 4.95 4.30 245 213 N/A
1000 6.5 5.6 1.6 3.92 3.41 194 169 N/A
1500 8.3 7.2 2.6 3.14 2.73 155 135 N/A
2000 10.8 9.3 4.3 2.51 2.18 124 108 N/A
2500 12.7 11.0 6.0 2.12 1.84 105 91 N/A
3000 24.4 21.2 8.2 2.95 2.57 146 127 N/A
3500 30.8 26.7 10.3 2.97 2.59 147 128 N/A
4000 34.2 29.7 13.4 2.56 2.22 127 110 N/A
4500 37.9 33.0 17.5 2.17 1.88 107 93 N/A
5000 42.2 36.7 22.2 1.90 1.65 94 82 N/A
5500 44.6 38.8 32.3 1.38 1.20 68 59 N/A


MasterCraft X-30 (2006-) w/ 1 x 350-hp MasterCraft MCX
http://www.boattest.com/boats/914/test_results.aspx

Test Power: 1 x 350-hp MasterCraft MCX
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG NMPG Range NM Range dBa
600 3.9 3.4 .9 4.33 3.77 238 207 67
1000 5.7 5.0 1.5 3.80 3.30 209 181 68
1500 7.6 6.6 2.7 2.85 2.48 156 136 68
2000 9.1 7.9 4.8 1.92 1.67 105 91 72
2500 16.7 14.5 7.3 2.30 2.00 126 110 78
3000 23.7 20.6 9.5 2.49 2.16 137 119 79
3500 28.8 25.0 12.1 2.38 2.07 131 114 82
4000 33.2 28.8 15.4 2.16 1.88 119 103 85
4500 37.0 32.2 20.1 1.84 1.60 101 88 85
5050 42.3 36.7 26.7 1.58 1.38 87 76 87



Yamaha 212X 2 x 160hp engines
http://www.boattest.com/boats/1742/test_results.aspx

Test Power: 2 x 160-hp Yamaha HO
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG NMPG Range NM Range dBa
1600 3.1 2.7 2.6 1.18 1.03 53 47 72
2500 4.8 4.2 2.4 2.00 1.74 90 79 74
3000 5.6 4.9 2.7 2.12 1.84 96 83 75
4000 6.5 5.7 2.9 2.28 1.98 103 89 80
5000 7.4 6.4 3.8 1.93 1.68 87 76 83
6000 12.1 10.5 6.2 1.95 1.69 88 76 85
7000 27.5 23.9 7.8 3.50 3.04 158 138 88
8000 36.2 31.5 11.0 3.28 2.85 148 129 92
9000 43.3 37.7 14.4 3.00 2.61 136 118 98
10000 51.3 44.6 18.4 2.78 2.42 126 109 98
11500 52.9 46.0 21.3 2.49 2.16 112 98 100


SeaDoo 230 Wake
http://www.boattest.com/boats/1464/test_results.aspx


Test Power: 2 x 155-hp BRP 4-Tech
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG NMPG Range NM Range dBa
2000 5.0 6.9 2.6 1.92 2.65 69 96 73
3000 6.9 6.0 5.1 1.35 1.18 49 42 81
4000 8.6 7.4 5.9 1.45 1.26 52 45 84
5000 27.8 24.2 8.4 3.31 2.88 119 104 86
6000 39.7 34.5 13.9 2.85 2.48 103 89 84
7000 50.5 43.9 20.0 2.53 2.20 91 79 92
7400 52.6 45.7 21.3 2.47 2.15 89 77 94


Test Power: 2 x 215-hp Rotax Supercharged 4-TEC
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG NMPG Range NM Range dBa
1800 3.5 3.0 1.6 2.16 1.88 103 89 68
3000 6.4 5.6 3.6 1.18 1.58 87 75 74
4000 7.5 6.5 6.5 1.16 1.01 55 48 81
5000 17.0 14.7 10.6 1.61 1.40 77 67 87
5500 26.2 22.8 13.3 1.97 1.72 94 82 88
6000 34.6 30.1 17.0 2.03 1.77 97 84 93
6500 39.1 34.0 20.7 1.89 1.64 90 78 96
7000 43.8 38.0 25.8 1.70 1.48 81 70 96
7575 51.0 44.3 32.0 1.59 1.39 76 66 108




At best cruising range and speed:

Malibu (340 HP engine)
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG
3000 24.4 21.2 8.2 2.95


Mastercraft (350 HP engine)
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG
3000 23.7 20.6 9.5 2.49

Yamaha (320 HP engines)
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG
7000 27.5 23.9 7.8 3.50

SeaDoo
RPM MPH Knots Total GPH MPG
310 HP engines
5000 27.8 24.2 8.4 3.31

430 HP engines
6000 34.6 30.1 17.0 2.03


Keep in mind, these tests were conducted when the ballast tanks were not weighted, etc. so if you're running with full ballasts, the gas consumption will definitely increase.

The Yamaha engines are the most efficient based on the test results.

Regardless of gas consumption, get the boat that meets your family needs.

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