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Old    Chris (brody)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-11-2007, 8:26 PM Reply   
I am trying to talk my dad into extra weight via fatsacs, but he isn't really "for" them because he thinks they are a hassle. Are they?
Old    alan plotz (alanp)      Join Date: Apr 2001       07-11-2007, 8:39 PM Reply   
yes. ive been in a boat that had the fly high pro x series sacs. these seemed aboout as hassle free as any sacs ive seen. however they are pretty costly.
ballast is worth the effort but still a pain in the arse imo
Old    Brent (mcx2ryd)      Join Date: Sep 2005       07-11-2007, 8:47 PM Reply   
Like alan said... They are worth it. Takes only 10 mins maybe to get yourself 1000# with the Tsunami pump. I would rather take that extra bit of time to have a fun ride on a huge wake rather than a not as fun ride on the small wake.
Old    C. R. (crushing76)      Join Date: Feb 2007       07-11-2007, 8:53 PM Reply   
they are not THAT much of a pain. i have the fly high pro x series, and have had the connection come apart and spray water everywhere for a few seconds... and, i lost a tsunami pump over board. but the difference they make in the wake make them worth it imo.
Old    Chris (brody)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-11-2007, 9:43 PM Reply   
What setup would you recommend for a '05 wakesetter vlx?
Old    JeremeyH (jheado)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-11-2007, 9:52 PM Reply   
yes, but worth it.
Old    Tyler McCurdy (tyboarder03)      Join Date: Nov 2003       07-11-2007, 10:02 PM Reply   
Jusr purchased the fly high pro-x series v drive sacs... they say they're 550 each on the box, but said they were only 450 online when i ordered them. 16x16x42
Old    ryan pass (lrbs_xstar)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-11-2007, 10:27 PM Reply   
yea thur a pain in the as* but its worth it
Old    murrayair            07-11-2007, 11:44 PM Reply   
^^^What everyone else said.
Old    Josh B (joshugan)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-11-2007, 11:45 PM Reply   
I have two sacs and two pumps.

It takes about 5 minutes to fill then 5 minutes to empty.

I'd love an auto ballast system but I really don't think 10 minutes of my day is too horrible to give up for a way better wake.
Old     (nbeihl)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-12-2007, 1:19 AM Reply   
Yes, they are a pain, and they get in the way, but they are worth it.
Old    Micheal Howard (michealhoward)      Join Date: May 2007       07-12-2007, 6:57 AM Reply   
As everyone one else said yes but a pain. I have 2 750s for my lockers and 2 260s under the bow seats and a fat brick to move around. It takes about a 1/2 hr to setup but it is so worth it. I like them better then Lead or sand bags. I use 2 tsunami pumps.
Old    Ryan (bremsen)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-12-2007, 8:29 AM Reply   
We're the same as Josh, 2 sacs+2 tsunami pumps. They fill/empty ~900lbs in <5min...about the same time it takes for the first rider to get set. I don't think they're all that much of a hassle, but don't ask my wife.
Old    Tim (dukeno1)      Join Date: May 2006       07-12-2007, 8:47 AM Reply   
Yes....but can't surf without 'em!
Old    WakesetterLSV (closedtoe)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-12-2007, 9:24 AM Reply   
Does your have the front bgallast or not. We have an 04 LSV and have the front ballast. The first thing I would do if you dont have front ballast I would add 700-800# to the front or if you have the front ballast I would add 500lbs to the bow wqalkway.
Old    WakesetterLSV (closedtoe)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-12-2007, 9:25 AM Reply   
I would but I'm having the same problem with my dad.
Old    Ryan (bremsen)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-12-2007, 9:27 AM Reply   
hijack
Hey Tim, keep an eye out...maybe I'll see ya around.
/hijack
Old    Ryan D (ogopogo)      Join Date: May 2005       07-12-2007, 10:08 AM Reply   
Chris,

Def worth it, you can plumb some v drive sacs in to your existing ballast system so you don't have to worry about manually filling/emptying them. Do a search or go to the malibucrew.com for info. The wake gets WAY nicer! Do you have the front mls system? If not you will want to add at least 500lbs to the front.

Check out this thread for the size of wake you get when adding weight to a VLX. You will also need to reprop to a acme 1235.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/468961.html?1183919241
Old    Garret Schmidt (garret_s)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-12-2007, 10:08 AM Reply   
Tyler: What the heck? Mine said 550lb as well? Does anyone actually know what these things weigh full?
Old    Chris (brody)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-12-2007, 10:43 AM Reply   
No, we do not have the front ballast.

http://www.wakeside.com/page/w/PROD/wakeboard_boat_ballast/fly_high_integrated_bow_sac_w711
for the front

http://www.wakeside.com/page/w/PROD/wakeboard_boat_ballast/fly_high_rear_gravity_games_sac_w841
On the rear seat (the compartments are filled up with life vests, a sky ski, boards, etc.)

Two Tsunami pumps.
http://www.wakeside.com/page/w/PROD/wakeboard_ballast_pumps/fly_high_tsunami_pump_W709
Old    Ryan (bremsen)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-12-2007, 11:04 AM Reply   
16x16x42 = 6.222ft/3

1ft/cu = 7.48gallons or 62.31 lbs

6.222 x 62.31 = 387.7 lbs.

With expansion (provided you can fill them up) you'll get 400-425lbs.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_one_gallon_of_water_weigh
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-14-2007, 11:23 PM Reply   
they're a pain but worth every bit of it
Old    DG (dgunthert)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-15-2007, 11:10 AM Reply   
Agree with all that they're a pain, but for my boat they're an absolute necessity since there's no factory ballast. I'm in the middle of plumbing the boat to make it much easier.
Old    Chris (brody)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-16-2007, 9:54 PM Reply   
will you need a different pump for every Fat Sac?
Old    Micheal Howard (michealhoward)      Join Date: May 2007       07-17-2007, 7:12 AM Reply   
IF you use the Tsunami pumps you can just move them from one bag to another after they are full. Takes more time that way though.
Old    DG (dgunthert)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-17-2007, 7:17 AM Reply   
Nope. There are lots of homemade ballast threads, but here's an ugly drawing of mine.
Upload

I've made 2 slight changes to the drawing. The drain hose doesn't go to the bilge line since it's way too small. I've added another thru-hull fitting so it has it's own. Also, the manifold is three-way so I can fill a sac on the side of the engine for surfing.

With the switch in the fill position, the check valve on the drain line prevents the pump from sucking air. When the pump is reversed, the check valve on the fill line forces the water out the drain line.

Pretty simple design and it should work like a charm....I'll should find out this week-end.
Old    Chris (brody)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-17-2007, 10:42 AM Reply   
Would this be a good setup:
Upload


And where would I put pumps and hoses/valves?
Old    WakesetterLSV (closedtoe)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-17-2007, 10:59 AM Reply   
If you add another 300 to the front I think that would be good. re you going to be taking out the rear stock tanks? IF you are that's a good setup. If your not you'll either want less weight in back or more weight up front.
Old    Chris (brody)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-17-2007, 11:22 AM Reply   
No we wouldn't take out the back tanks. Maybe I would only put 200lbs on each side in the back.

(Message edited by brody on July 17, 2007)

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