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Old    Ryan B. (rrbooker)      Join Date: Feb 2003       06-06-2007, 8:30 AM Reply   
This just might work.

GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work

This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from
one
of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worthy of
your
consideration.

Join the resistance! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a
gallon by
summer and it might possibly go higher! Want gasoline prices to come
down?
We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth
offered
this good idea.

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
campaign that was going around earlier! The oil companies just laughed
at
that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by
refusing
to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a
problem for
them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really
work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking
gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently
$2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and
the
OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of
gas
is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach
them
that BUYERS control the marketplace..... not sellers. With the price
of
gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The
only
way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone
in
the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT
hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just
stop
buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act
together
to force a price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of 2007, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest
companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling
any
gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their
prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at
this
point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
millions
of people.

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least
ten
more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more
(300 x
10 =3D 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth
group
of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those
three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30
million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further,
you
guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If
you
don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is
send
this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
mathematician.
But I am, so trust me on this one.)

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
ten
more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you?

Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from
EXXON/MOBIL
UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
Old    LimoTinted (ridininmd)      Join Date: Jun 2006       06-06-2007, 8:40 AM Reply   
I love the internet
Old    matt moss (mossy44)      Join Date: Oct 2001       06-06-2007, 8:40 AM Reply   
this is such BS. it wont work. it doesnt work. it has gone around for about 3 years now. also, i wouldnt be surprised if its someone from BP or Shell who started it.
Old    Andy Parsons (sanddragon2004)      Join Date: Jul 2005       06-06-2007, 8:50 AM Reply   
how bout some one else get into the oil business and start selling fuel for dollar a gallon cheaper?
Old    Sam (wake1823)      Join Date: Dec 2005       06-06-2007, 9:10 AM Reply   
Ryan,

do some homework on the oil and gas industry (specifically US vs non us production levels, BBL/oil pricing trends - curent vs historical; refinery capacity/production) not just what your read on the internet. ingnorance is bliss....
Old    Timothy (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       06-06-2007, 9:10 AM Reply   
andy, if you did that the guys in the oil cartel would have you assasinated
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-06-2007, 9:17 AM Reply   
sellers actually control this market. sorry to break it to ya
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       06-06-2007, 9:22 AM Reply   
i'm just thinking that it's time for some Cost of Living salary increases
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       06-06-2007, 9:28 AM Reply   
They all get there fuel from the same pipeline. They just add their own aditive after they extract it from the refinery pipeline. You don't buy from one, you just go to the other and the just get more from the pipeline to meet their demands. The need for gas is the same regardless.
Old    Matt (pierce_bronkite)      Join Date: Jul 2003       06-06-2007, 9:29 AM Reply   
Im still waiting for my check from Bill Gates.
Old    Dennis (denwbaseball)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-06-2007, 9:57 AM Reply   
Another thing Exxon and Mobile are the same company...maybe not the same gas station but the companies name is ExxonMobile. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Old    Karl De Looff (boarditup)      Join Date: Jan 2004       06-06-2007, 10:54 AM Reply   
Note to self: Before you put something like this out there - critical thinking first!
Old    Sam (wake1823)      Join Date: Dec 2005       06-06-2007, 11:30 AM Reply   
Rod, that's not 100% accurate...owners of refinerary's will use what they need but have excess capacity they will push thru pipelines. For instance you can get Valero gasoline made in a valero refinery. you can also get Exxonmobil gas out of a valero refinery. Sometimes it can be cheaper to buy gas from other refineries than refine yrouself.
Old    Craig (yosquire)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-06-2007, 11:37 AM Reply   
Supply and Demand controls the market.

Unfortunatly, the buyers have no control over either where as the seller has control over Supply.
Old    tony burks (tonality)      Join Date: Mar 2005       06-06-2007, 1:49 PM Reply   
Since when to buyers have no control over their demand for fuel?
Old    Nickbot (nickbot)      Join Date: Feb 2007       06-06-2007, 1:56 PM Reply   
the only way to lower prices is to use less fuel.
Old    Art (rallyart)      Join Date: Nov 2006       06-06-2007, 2:01 PM Reply   
What Nickbot said.
Old    Sam (wake1823)      Join Date: Dec 2005       06-06-2007, 2:02 PM Reply   
Tony,

b/c OPEC will adjust supply to match their target price of oil..which ultimately trickles down to the price of gasoline.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-06-2007, 2:02 PM Reply   
Since the fact that gas prices are at record highs and so is the demand. That should tell you something. People will pay $5 for a latte or $1.50 for a bottle of water but complain about gas at $3 a gallon. I hate high gas prices to believe me but we are to dependant on foreign oil. A hurricane scare in the persian gulf rose gas prices recently. Or if Iran gets pissed at the US the gas prices go up. The oil companies do not set the price of oil remember that.
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       06-06-2007, 2:38 PM Reply   
I get what you are saying Sam and I am sure I am not totally up on it, but isn't that kind of the same thing or I guess my post tends to tell it as Valero and Shell pump into the same pipeline and extract from the same pipeline? I saw a show a year or two back that showed a pipeline that ran from Texas or so up to the northeast that the refiners pushed their gas into and then the different companies would extract from the pipeline and then companies like Cheveron would add their Techron additives to the basic gas comming from the pipeline. There are only so many refineries in the country so it is easier to ship via the pipeline. That is at least what I got from the program. California, I can see being different since all the refineries are close enough to deliver from and Cali having it's own screwed up gas with additive that is illegal to even make in California.
Old    Ron (ronnyboy27)      Join Date: Nov 2005       06-06-2007, 4:34 PM Reply   
The gas prices have more to do with refining capacity at this time than crude oil.
Old    Ron (ronnyboy27)      Join Date: Nov 2005       06-06-2007, 4:35 PM Reply   
nu bu - I don't buy a 100 gallons of latte or bottled water every freaking week.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-06-2007, 6:30 PM Reply   
I was putting it into perspective. The refining process of crude oil into gasoline is much more costly than a latte. 100 gal per week, what are you driving, and if you are driving on business I'm sure you're passing the expense on to the customer?
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-06-2007, 6:31 PM Reply   
Thanks for the education on the oil issues ronnyboy I'm fully aware of the drivers behind the issue.
Old    JPK (jpk)      Join Date: Sep 2005       06-06-2007, 9:21 PM Reply   
Instead of not buying from an Exxon or Mobil station (neither of which even exist in my area, so the whole idea is retarded), why don't you just NOT buy so much dang gas? Sheesh, if you really care about gas prices get a Hyundai and sell your boat.
Old    Rich (rson)      Join Date: Jun 2002       06-06-2007, 9:41 PM Reply   
What a Noob
Old    andy zarlengo (colorider)      Join Date: Jun 2001       06-06-2007, 10:19 PM Reply   
A ton of the price of gas is in taxes. How about getting the govt to lower the taxes to help out. The whole thing is a big ol money grab from oil companies to the govt. They all suck
Old    WakeShoe (wakeshoe)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-08-2007, 3:06 PM Reply   
I especially like the part about how this originally came from a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. That's supposed to give this credibility? Try this instead:

"This originally came from a recently released sex offender who heard it from his cellmate, a convicted midget thrower who heard it from one of his midgets who babysat for a New York mafioso and overheard the mafioso advocating it."

Now there's credibility!!!!

(Message edited by WakeShoe on June 08, 2007)
Old    Mikeski (mikeski)      Join Date: Aug 2003       06-08-2007, 7:46 PM Reply   
If you can't beat them join them, I work for Chevron...

Seriously, it's simple supply vs. demand. If you want to lower gas costs get a bike. Believe me when people reduce their consumption the cost will go down.

If you want cheap gas move to Bali. It still about $1 per gallon.
Old    Rich (rich_g)      Join Date: May 2003       06-08-2007, 8:13 PM Reply   
The plan outlined above would work for 5 minutes. Once all the consumers start buying from the non-Exxon-Mobil stations, the long lines and high demand will trigger an immediate price hike at those outlets, maybe by one dime per gallon.

Meanwhile, the computers at the ExxonMobil HQ will sense a significant drop in demand and will lower their price by one dime. The stalemate will be over.

Everyone will drive across the street at the same time and tip the earth off its axis, gravity will get messed up, tsunamis and earthquakes will ensue, and we will all die because of this stupid thread on wakeworld.
Old    Trace (trace)      Join Date: Feb 2002       06-08-2007, 9:13 PM Reply   
Gas is cheap in the US compared to, uh, pretty much every other country in the world outside the Middle East. Live it up. $6 a gallon is more in line with the world market.

The older I get, the more I believe that things that you don't have a choice in buying should be socialized. It's too easy to abuse the market to maximize profits. Insurance, gas, utilities, etc...
Old    Chasin7 T (chaser)      Join Date: Sep 2006       06-10-2007, 9:01 PM Reply   
I don't buy the use less gas and the price will go down theory, sorry. The price of gas has fluctuated from 1.99 to 3.49 in a matter of a few months. And now, as it's starting to creep back down, I'll bet consumption has remained the same, or most likely increased now that early summer is here, one of the highest demand times? Using less gas over a long period of time might help over the long run but I don't see how these crazy hikes in prices have anything to do with consumers demand. Prices fluctuate 60-70% in a such a small time frame. I don't see how demand is driving those increases because people aren't changing their consumption levels anywhere near that much, if at all?
Old    Craig (yosquire)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-11-2007, 8:44 AM Reply   
> Seriously, it's simple supply vs. demand. If you want to lower gas costs get a bike. Believe me when people reduce their consumption the cost will go down.

Mikeski, I do concur that it's more 'supply and demand' verses 'price fixing' and conspiracies. However, I don't think reducing consumption will save us at this point. Population combined with India and China hitting their industrial eras will have far greater impact. Supply & Demand yes, but it's a very linear calculation whereas population is logarithmic.

Hopefully technology will save us.

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