Clear to me for some while are the parameters for these tricks. I put in some effort understanding the instructional video and the instructions from friends.
At the end of last season i was still not capable to throw the full trick.
What became clear to me in practice is, for instance the edge speed should build up to maximum in the last 6 to 9 feet, thats the major thing.
Edge and so speed maximized to early, will ruin line tension, and results in flattening the edge when at the wake.
Try a tantrum, starts far out long approach and starts with high edge speed, flattens out and low line tension.
Try a back roll, short approach fast build up of speed, speed still building up when edging the wake and so the line stay under full tension.
The moment you fear and brake, tension is gone.
So train those tricks both and you will learn the difference coming from far out and coming from close
Tantrum edge hard in the beginning and back roll edge hard at the end.
In the beginning i could not separate those two tricks in approach, so i could not throw them both. I could not feel what the early and late edge did.
So train on line tension at the wake is not possible when you start far out with an early edge. The edge should come in latest as possible only then you can tension the line.
So for me lots need to be done.
Some guys throw it natural and some have to sort it out the hard way.
I started doing w2w far out with early edge and high speed, due to the speed i could do the w2w. Result only half the height.
I am still suffering this, each day i force to remember 10ft out, maximize edge when close to the wake.