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Old    Jim T (wkbrd)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-01-2006, 10:21 PM Reply   
Post your pics of the 2006 X-2 looking for a unique color scheme. We are ordering one and wanted some ideas. was thinking all black but I want some other ideas. Also how much additional weight and where are you adding it.
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-01-2006, 10:25 PM Reply   
The best x2 I have ridden took stock ballast, added the fly high's to the vdrive compartments plus 21 pop bags (800ish pounds) up front.

The x2 NEEDS the extra weight, but with it gives a nice kick and a lot of float time.

I love that wake when properly slammed.

www.midwestwakeboarder.com
Old    Jim T (wkbrd)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-01-2006, 10:35 PM Reply   
mike is the wake rideable without weight(extra other than factory)? We are going from an Xstar to an X2 does the X2 have the tanks like the xstar or are they bags?
Old    Matt (pittsy)      Join Date: Apr 2004       08-01-2006, 10:37 PM Reply   
i like the blue and yellow x2 that mastercraft has on there site!
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-01-2006, 11:04 PM Reply   
Someone else will chime in with specifics, but I will tell you the wake is soft without the extra weight.

However, I also feel that the xstar wake is soft without a lot of extra weight.

Most outlaw riders disagree with me, but I strongly prefer the x2 wake to the xstar.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-02-2006, 6:59 AM Reply   
We found the wake to be poor with and without extra weight. We had one completely slammed for a comp and the outlaw riders all but refused to ride it.
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-02-2006, 7:34 AM Reply   
To each his own I guess, I loved it once you got over 2k in it.....

Not as much as a slammed x1, but way more than an xstar.
Old    Zack (raider40)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-02-2006, 8:36 AM Reply   
Here's my $.02 but a little background first......I owned a '02 XStar (X1) and just recently purchased an '06 X2.

In my X1 we would run 550# on each side of the engine, the stock center KGB sack (350#), a 600# sac across the front seats and 220# of lead in the nose. If there was more then 4 people in the boat I'd normally let a little weight out of the rear sacs.

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In my X2 I'm running stock ballast (850# I think), around 400# on each side of the motor, and 600# in the walkthrough.

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From what I've experienced so far the X2 wake is not nearly the size of the X1 with around the same amount of weight. The X1 wake would grow in size the more weight you added, while the X2 seems to remain fairly constant. You definitely need to add weight on top of the stock 3-KGB on the X2.

The advantage that the X2 wake has is that it is extremely hard and holds its shape better then almost any wake I've hit other then maybe a heavily loaded 210. The wake has a very smooth transition like a 22SSV with a nice vert lip at the top like my X1. The wake is not effected by people moving around in the boat nearly as much as my X1 was.

The interesting thing my crew has discovered is that if you ride at 80' around 24.5 - 25mph the wake has the best shape and you can really charge it and get great pop, easily as good as my X1. I never rode my X1 more then 70' at 24.2mph.

The big thing to know is that this wake is not a "lazy cut" wake like say a 210 or X1.....you have to edge properly all the way through the wake instead of letting the boat pull you back in and the wake do the work.

I guess the only negative I can come up with right now is that the prop needs to be changed. I've got the stock 13x17 and with the boat fully loaded it's very slow out of the hole and needs to be changed to the 14x14.7.

Here's a pic of the boat.

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Old    Andrew Davis (c640947)      Join Date: Jan 2005       08-02-2006, 12:20 PM Reply   
jarrod - for the comp you may not have had it weighted correctly. While experimenting with mine, I found some weight configurations made the wake horrible, but when done correctly the wake is my favorite one. Plenty of outlaw riders in our area agree with me. So don't count it out yet - maybe it wasn't weighted right.
Old    Taylor M (lftaylor)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-02-2006, 12:39 PM Reply   
andrew how exactly do you weight yours
Old    Big Ed (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       08-02-2006, 12:50 PM Reply   
Zack,how do you like the transition from your old boat to your new one????

The 1st wake pic looks a lot better,the 2nd one doesn't seem like it has a defined lip like the 1st.Could be just the pic?!
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-02-2006, 1:03 PM Reply   
You could be right Andrew, but we had a team of guys working on it for a while. They tried several weighting methods.

I think Zack pretty much covered it.
Old    Zack (raider40)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-02-2006, 1:35 PM Reply   
Ed.....the first pic was the wake on my old X1 and the second pic is the wake on my new X2......both weighted out as I described above.

I actually like the transition on the new one better as its much easier on the knees/body. It provides for very smooth landings as well.

This wake is honestly very very deceiving. I know you read a lot about wakes and how "the pic doesn't do it justice" which is very true in this case. I can say even standing next to it on a board at speed it APPEARS to be very small. When you hit it though it provides every bit as good of pop as my old X1.

We ride on pretty much all the major boats (210, X1, VLX, SSV) and everyone has the same reaction when they both see and hit the wake. It appears very small compared to say a 210 with 2000# in it but provides great pop when you edge properly.
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-02-2006, 2:17 PM Reply   
I dont know a single MC fan that would say the x2 is a better wake than the x1, which is pretty well established as being the wake (okay CC and BU guys one of the wakes) to have.

I just personally prefer the x2 to the xstar, and again, when weighted properly, its one of my fav's.
Old    Darren Lamont (dlamont)      Join Date: Apr 2003       08-02-2006, 2:36 PM Reply   
I would agree that the X1 has a better wakeboard wake stock over the X2. Although once sacked up the X2 wake really gets good. The best part about the X2 is that it does everything well. Stock ballast it has a great wakeskate wake. Stock ballast with extra it has a great wakeboard wake. And the surf wake is the best I have seen for a 20ft boat.
Jim T if you are ordering one there is also the new "switch" graphics that looks pretty good. Also get the MCX, it is a rocket with that motor.
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       08-02-2006, 3:00 PM Reply   
To each their own about the wakes, I personally haven't ridden behind the new X2.

Jim - Get some colors that will stand out, like mostly black with a little bit of yellow or better yet, black and orange .
Also get the switch graphics so someone doesnt't think the boat is an 06. That'd be horrible
Old    Lucky275 (lcky275)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-02-2006, 3:38 PM Reply   
The big thing to know is that this wake is not a "lazy cut" wake

That makes it sound like the wake isn't very good.

Disclaimer: I've never ridden behind one, but I do think it's one of the best looking boats on the water, today. I like the yellow and blue one }on the MC website.
Old    Jeff Vaaler (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       08-02-2006, 3:50 PM Reply   
Lucky, I wouldn't say that makes the wake sound "bad". All boats with a long transition take a little more skill/technique to dial in the pop. That's largely why so many people hate the new X-Star wake. Malibu wakes require a little more focus on edge hold and extending at the proper time as well. Boats like the X-1 and SAN will ALWAYS be popular because literally anyone--regardless of ability--can get decent pop just by hitting the wake with a little speed. In my opinion, you can get as high or higher as you ever can behind a 210 with an equally-sized, longer-transitioned wake, but you need to know what you're doing. Pros have been gravitating to the longer, rampier wakes because, with their ability, they can get just as much pop, but with smoother take-offs, softer landings, and the ability to ride much longer rope lengths.
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-02-2006, 3:55 PM Reply   
well put Jeff, I agree.....and will be the first to admit my dislike of the xstar wake comes from what you described.

I rode an 06 xstar last night with extra ballast and 13 peeps in it, liked it a lot more than in the past.

I imagine if I rode an xstar daily it would be my wake of choice, but right now I just struggle with it coming from other boats.
Old    C.I.E... AL Bischofbee (allen)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-02-2006, 3:59 PM Reply   
Mike did you move back east or are you in Truckee still?

al
Old    Jeff Vaaler (jcv)      Join Date: Oct 2005       08-02-2006, 4:00 PM Reply   
Mike, no doubt. The first time I hit an X-Star wake I was like "what the hell, wasn't there supposed to be a wake there?". Now, after my technique has improved and I've logged in a couple more sets behind it, I'm not sure there's a wake I like more than a sacked-out (okay, really sacked-out) X-Star.
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-02-2006, 4:11 PM Reply   
Al, Im back in the midwest until November....then back in Truckee, hopefully on a perminant basis.

Basically came down to a housing situation (ours was under construction).
Old    Matthew Bird (ldr)      Join Date: Nov 2002       08-02-2006, 4:33 PM Reply   
I was just thinking about boat colors yesterday. Wouldn't it would be cool to have an all white boat like the X Star in my profile pic and have all the metal (tower, cleats, windshield etc.) powdercoated white. I just think that would look awesome.

(Message edited by ldr on August 02, 2006)
Old    soulrider (projectely4)      Join Date: Apr 2003       08-02-2006, 5:39 PM Reply   
i have had a 02 X Star, 04 X Star and now a 06 X2.

we have about 90 hours on our X2 and we have weighted it differently when we first got it to see what works best.

with the stock tanks which are 600# plus and then 2 350# sacs in the rear compartments plus a bow integrated sac and 140# in lead has worked awesome and creates and great wake. this ratio is perfect but if you have to much weight in the back no matter how much weight you have in the boat it wont be bigger than the wake with stock weight. many people are testing the X2 with to much rear weight which is why they think the wake is bad.

more weight is awesome but it will be useless unless it is in the right place.

the X1 and x2 have very similar size wakes but just different shapes with the same weight.
Old     (seanmcd)      Join Date: Jul 2006       08-02-2006, 6:13 PM Reply   
Zack, I love your boat, every time I see it I want one. Very cool, I wish the post of when you first got it stayed around longer. Just props dude.

Sean
Old    B.C.P....Robert (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-02-2006, 6:26 PM Reply   
Here is our x2 i think it is unique

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Old     (seanmcd)      Join Date: Jul 2006       08-02-2006, 6:33 PM Reply   
OK Robert, now I want your boat!!!! Very Cool.

Sean
Old    Taylor M (lftaylor)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-02-2006, 9:04 PM Reply   
Robert- is that paint or a decal?
Old    B.C.P....Robert (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-02-2006, 10:20 PM Reply   
Taylor - that is paint
Old    Taylor M (lftaylor)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-02-2006, 11:01 PM Reply   
Does the X2 have the tanks under the floor like the Xstar or are they sacs?
Old    B.C.P....Robert (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-02-2006, 11:33 PM Reply   
It has 3 hard tanks, I think 850 or 950lbs total
Old    Joshua (trojanman)      Join Date: May 2002       08-03-2006, 12:30 AM Reply   
it is only 650 lbs for the stock ballast... i guarantee it!
Old    B.C.P....Robert (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-03-2006, 12:41 AM Reply   
ok so 650 even better .....lol
Old    R M (dr_inc)      Join Date: Mar 2005       08-03-2006, 2:28 AM Reply   
unique ehhh..

i did a post on here a while back.. i think it died but SOLID Chocolate brown with white X2 and small graphics.. with a leather bimini

that way when your on the water you'll be $#!T!ING

looks bad ass with the brown interior tooo
Old    Zack (raider40)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-03-2006, 6:53 AM Reply   
Sean.......thanks for the comments. I've been thinking about that color scheme for 2+ years now and I think it came out great.

Lucky....just because I said it's not a "lazy cut" wake doesn't mean it's not any good. I just know that I can let a 210's or even X1's wake do the work for me w/o proper technique and I'll still get booted. I think those wakes because of that mask some bad riding habits, including a few I have.

The X2, or even XStar wake, requires that you edge properly through the top of the wake and when you do you're rewarded with every bit the same kind of pop without the harsh "wall" of water effect on your body.
Old    Lucky275 (lcky275)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-03-2006, 8:28 AM Reply   
Zack,

I'd have to say that the ease of how a wake throws you is the basis for how most, not all, people judge wakes nowadays. And that can kill your technique, I'm a true testament to that. I'm going back and re-learning the basics, because I really didn't take the time to learn, or actually know any better. It's stupid, but I can do inverts better than I can got w2w. I know if I get the basics down again, my overall riding will improve.

Jeff, thanks for the clarification.
Old    Big Ed (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       08-03-2006, 10:01 AM Reply   
Zack,thanks for the feedback but I was just asking about the boat not the wake.Wake is a thing that I'm going to have to try and that is it.
Old    Zack (raider40)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-03-2006, 10:44 AM Reply   
Stupid alcohol is killing my understanding ability Ed!

Honestly I have no regrets at all about trading up to the new X2.....the boats are almost not comparible. The new X2 feels so much bigger on the inside and has SO much more storage then the X1 which isn't always a big deal but is nice when you're rolling with 5-6 people + gear on a day trip. We've rolled 9-10 people on the new boat without being cramped which would have never worked on the X1.

The new ballast pumps are a huge plus over the old boat, although the "neato" MC ballast gauges on the new one aren't worth a crap. That won't matter much when I get the rear sacks plumbed in.

The picklefork look has caused a lot of conversation and argument but I love it. You can comfortably fit 3 girls or 2 guys without being cramped + my 600 sack fits in the floor instead of having to lay it across the front seat like on my X1.

The new bimini is in a different league then my old one......no straps to mess with which is awesome. It folds/unfolds easily with one person.

About the only negatives I've discovered so far are the fact it comes from the MC factory with a 13x17 prop which, even with the MCX wont get it on plane easily fully loaded and EATS gas. Not a biggy. The other negative being that in order to make the cockpit bigger MC moved the back seat towards the stern so the rear compartments aren't as big and I can't store anything bigger then a skate in there now.

Honestly I wouldn't think twice about buying the same boat again - I like it that much.
Old    Big Ed (big_ed_x2)      Join Date: Jul 2004       08-03-2006, 4:37 PM Reply   
Nice,Glad you like your new boat.


Thanks for the feedback.
Old    Jim T (wkbrd)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-03-2006, 6:30 PM Reply   
What happened only two pics? More pics of your 06 or 07 X-2s
Old    bocephus            08-03-2006, 7:30 PM Reply   
We were all laughing in disgust at the MB a couple of weeks ago with guys hanging all over, but what about the last picture? Looks like irresponsible boating to me. Get your butts in the boat. Please practice safe boating.
Old    darren (bigbird1031)      Join Date: Jun 2006       08-03-2006, 9:13 PM Reply   
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we loved this color combo
Old    B.C.P....Robert (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-03-2006, 9:23 PM Reply   
sorry bocephus
Old    zakman (zacky)      Join Date: Apr 2003       08-03-2006, 10:29 PM Reply   
Looks to me like BCP had a little wakesurfing going on in that picture. Completely different than the pictures of the guys in the MB. 7mph and sitting on the sunpad with 6 people in the boat vs. 30+ mph, 14+ people in the boat with guys standing on the side, holding on to the tower while power turning. There really is no comparison Bocephus.

BCP- that boat looks better and better every time you post a picture...
Old    B.C.P....Robert (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-03-2006, 11:16 PM Reply   
Thanks oscar.. I think that is the first pic up with the tower and windsheild frame polished and the stereo in!

BTW I think that anyone with "comin cents" can tell the difference between my pic and the guys on the MB! If not ............
Old    bocephus            08-04-2006, 11:42 AM Reply   
Ahh, who cares, I give up.

(Message edited by bocephus on August 04, 2006)
Old    Jim T (wkbrd)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-04-2006, 11:57 AM Reply   
"He who has not sinned cast the first stone" Wow Bocephus not to get religious but I guess bocephus "cast the first stone"
Old    Jim T (wkbrd)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-04-2006, 11:59 AM Reply   
To date 47 posts and only 3 pics.
Old    Joshua (trojanman)      Join Date: May 2002       08-04-2006, 12:05 PM Reply   
BCP -- what exactly did you do to the tower and the windshield....It looks a little bit shiny, but its hard to tell from that picture.. Do you have another picture highliting your tricked out ride any better

The boat looks great though.
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Old    B.C.P....Robert (rmitchell242)      Join Date: Dec 2005       08-04-2006, 3:36 PM Reply   
hey Josh that is my dads boat, he had the rollbar and the windsheild removed and polished i will get some more pics up next week. thanks
Old    Rich (rich_g)      Join Date: May 2003       08-04-2006, 3:47 PM Reply   
David, that is sweet. I bet you get some curious looks in your country. The trailer is unique. It looks like you have a bumber behind the rudder. Is that to keep a Smart Car from running up under the platform?
Old    Steve™ (kingskrew)      Join Date: May 2004       08-04-2006, 3:49 PM Reply   

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he had the rollbar and the windsheild removed




Rollbar! hahaha
Old    david427            08-07-2006, 3:55 PM Reply   
Thanks Rich, as you can see the cars are pretty small over here compared with the US. It's a Mastercraft UK standard trailer and the "bumper" is a trailer board for lights and car registration plate.
Old    abadsvt            08-07-2006, 4:19 PM Reply   
I would like to see some more pics of that custom painted x2. Very sweet!!!!
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       08-07-2006, 4:25 PM Reply   
Heres what I would order... I'm liking the switch graphics.

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Old    jaubrey (jaubrey)      Join Date: Feb 2003       08-07-2006, 10:14 PM Reply   
im starting to like those switch graphics
Old    eric fox (fox)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-08-2006, 10:46 AM Reply   
It's a little busy for my likeing.
Old    R M (dr_inc)      Join Date: Mar 2005       08-08-2006, 1:03 PM Reply   
up north x1
well your going to have to change your name if you get it hahah but how did you post that pic...?? i have a cool design but i am very computer stupid.. and yes im 19 hahaha im suppose to be a pro at it but im not
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       08-08-2006, 1:50 PM Reply   
Just playin with some colors Ryan... our X1 is here to stay .

When your in design a boat, push the 'print screen' button on your keyboard. (It is in the upper right area of my laptop) Then while in a program such as photoshop or paint, simply click edit 'paste', and the page you printscreened will appear. Then just crop it to show what you want and save the photo file, maybe resizing as necessary for Wakeworld.
Old    eric fox (fox)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-08-2006, 2:43 PM Reply   
You can also hold alt + the prnt scrn button and then just paste (ctrl + v) and it will paste it in.

Eric
Old    R M (dr_inc)      Join Date: Mar 2005       08-08-2006, 4:15 PM Reply   
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this would look sick!!
Old    norm (bigworm)      Join Date: Dec 2004       08-10-2006, 11:48 PM Reply   
u can have that ryan, and when u go to sell it... good luck! robert tell your dad to call me, i got my nvs' on and they are badass...

boat looks sweet btw, the tower and windshield frame look cool too.

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