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Old    RYAN HALL (rhall)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-22-2006, 8:22 PM Reply im playing around with my new camera, trying to figure ot how to get better pictures. I need some pros to tell me what looks off in these, and what wold make them better. Some of them seem very dark...but when in auto, some things are a blur. Like the shuter speed is to at a loss. thanks

Old    RYAN HALL (rhall)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-22-2006, 8:24 PM Reply   
i had to resize the ones posted...but the original ones are in the album's link
Old    Walt (Walt)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-22-2006, 8:47 PM Reply   
What kind of camera are You using ?
Old    RYAN HALL (rhall)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-22-2006, 9:02 PM Reply   
cannon S2IS
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       06-22-2006, 9:10 PM Reply   
there's only so much you can do w/ a point and shoot. does it have manual settings?
Old    Walt (Walt)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-22-2006, 9:22 PM Reply   
I agree with Joe but start by shooting in better light. It looks like You shot these in the shade.

Old    Walt (Walt)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-22-2006, 9:30 PM Reply   
I suggest that you read up on general photography and your camera and know all it's functions. Then go out and use your camera a lot !
Soon you will be familiar with your camera and all it's settings and there will be a big improvement in photo quality and consistency of your shots.
Old    Walt (Walt)      Join Date: Jan 2003       06-22-2006, 9:32 PM Reply   
Here's a good photography forum.
Old    Jean-Philippe Bray (jpbray)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-23-2006, 7:52 AM Reply   
Everything is in lighting....
Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       06-23-2006, 9:07 AM Reply   
Well if you can get the doggie to stand still while you lite the scene that's all well and good but realistically I think these shots were just too dark for you cam's auto settings. Does that cam display a histogram after each shot? If it does learn to use it. It will tell you if your shot is exposed properly. And learn your manual settings if you can't get there in auto.

Here is the histogram for the original shot:

original.tiff (72.3 k)

You can tell it's under exposed by the black levels being piled up on the left side.

Look at the histogram after I adjusted the levels:

leveled.tiff (54.6 k)


I pulled the whites slider down and slid the mids over to enhance contrast and lighten up the image. I actually like walt's version a bit better, I over did it to show you the effect. If you shoot in RAW it's even easier to fix.

But if you watch the histogram in camera you can get the shots exposed properly and not need any post processing.
Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       06-23-2006, 9:12 AM Reply   
Sorry forgot WW won't do tiffs

Here is the original:


Here is the histogram of the image after I adjusted it.

Old    A. P. (bigdad)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-23-2006, 9:19 AM Reply   
It definitely harder to get a quality photo from a point and shoot because you just don't get the depth of field and picture quality you can get from a DSLR. But it is possible and perhaps the most important component to a good photo is lighting. The reasoning behind having a camera with manual controls is that you can make adjustments to compensate for the lighting.

And sometimes you just get lucky with an automatic setting.

Old    RYAN HALL (rhall)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-23-2006, 9:36 AM Reply   
it's got the manual settings...i'm just not sure where to set them for different lighting situations.

and yes, it does show the graph once you take the picture
Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       06-23-2006, 10:49 AM Reply   
There is no easy way to deal with all the of different images you'll be recording without learning the process.

There's a great book out called "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson. I learned a lot from reading it. Get the new version updated for digital.
Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       06-23-2006, 11:03 AM Reply   
I see you used the builtin flash on those shots (that explains why they are underexposed - normally the auto metering would tend to overexpose - trying to bring the scene to 18% grey overall)

To be honest given the use of the flash those are not bad at all as they look very natural. I would rather get those results if using a flash (and then just pull the exposure up in RAW or with levels) vs having an overexposed dog and dark background which is what you'd get with to much FEC.


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