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Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 9:50 AM Reply   
Last night we had my X2 pretty much maxed out (I think). I calculated 2585 lbs plus 5 people, and 2 Hyperlite boards. At 90' and 25.4 the wake just started to curl (more so on the port side wake which always seems to be a tad steeper). I'm wondering what I can do to clean it up, or if this is just the result of maxing out the boat. Or, do I need to move weight around. The front is already slammed. Just backing off the throttle dipped the nose in good conditions!

I was thinking about moving most of the lead to the cockpit area instead of storing lead in the very front and in the back storage by the hard tanks. The problem was, when we lightened up the back, the nose dipped even lower to the point where Evan was laughing.

Too much weight? Or weight in the wrong places?

nose: 75
front cushions: 150 each side = 300
walk though: 500
Stock center ballast: 400
On the floor: 250 sac
in cockpit: 260 lead
in back: 500 hard tanks
in back: 150 each side = 300


Old    Squid (twakess)      Join Date: Mar 2002       08-26-2005, 10:00 AM Reply   
YOUR MAXED OUT SON!!! What if you speeded up to like 26 did that clean it up. (at the speed that blind 180 is gonna hurt bad)
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-26-2005, 10:03 AM Reply   
nnnneeeeeeddddd more baaaallllasssst. Waaaakkkeee nnnnooooot bbbbbbiiiiiiiggggg enough yet. Pllllleeeaaassseeee hhheellpp. Sittuation getttttinnnng veeeerrrry crrrrittiical. Wwaaaakkkeee onnnlyyy waist high. Nnnnneeeeedddd mmmmoooorrrreeee.

Also wonder where you can get an auxiliary fuel tank to haul around an extra hunded gallons so we can each get two pulls when we are out.

2600lbs=stupid big wake. How much bigger can it get?????
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 10:13 AM Reply   
Increasing speed a little did not clean it up.

Old    C.I.E... AL Bischofbee (allen)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-26-2005, 10:14 AM Reply   
me likkeee. I'm a bit more stupid this morning from falling out of sky last night, but I think we can go bigger.

Maybe we should biuld a plexi glass wall around the nose so it doesn't dip.
-Al-
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       08-26-2005, 10:21 AM Reply   
you forgot to count the gas as ballast.



Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 10:25 AM Reply   
Hard to count when you're burning a gallon every 5 minutes!

Hmm actually that's not funny. Thanks to my friends for being generous with gas money.

I don't think it will get bigger Allen, but I think we can make it cleaner where you ride.
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       08-26-2005, 10:27 AM Reply   
can you add more weight in the front to clean it up?
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 10:28 AM Reply   
The nose takes on water when we slow down to idle.
Old    Peter_C (peter_c)      Join Date: Sep 2001       08-26-2005, 10:28 AM Reply   
Can't count the gas as ballast, as Evan said it is only onboard for a short time

Word of caution though, with that much lead you loose your neutral buoyancy and your boat will go to the bottom. The fact that your bow is dipping that low and taking on water is a BIG red flag warning.
Old    Aaron Nielsen (lzyboy)      Join Date: Jun 2001       08-26-2005, 10:30 AM Reply   
PICS - WE NEEEEEED PICS!!!!

My knees just hurth thinking bout that wake J-Rod....

Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       08-26-2005, 10:31 AM Reply   
peter, it was a joke. it's a long running joke between a friend and me about how people count gas as ballast.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 10:36 AM Reply   
Peter. I agree. I wouldn't make a habit of doing that.

BTW...I have 950 in lead. The rest is water.
Old    Charles (chas)      Join Date: Feb 2002       08-26-2005, 10:46 AM Reply   
J-Rod

We put 2200 in the V210 and the wake was just stupid also, but the gas gauge seamed to work like a tach gauge went down very fast. At least it helps when every one pitches in.
Old    Blair (twitch)      Join Date: Dec 2004       08-26-2005, 11:22 AM Reply   



i want to see this MASSIVE wake
Old    Cliff Griffin (seattle)      Join Date: Mar 2002       08-26-2005, 11:28 AM Reply   
J-Rod,

WTF dude? You need more ballast than that? That wakes got to be fricken massive as is.
Old    Alpha_Beast (socalwakepunk)      Join Date: Dec 2002       08-26-2005, 11:49 AM Reply   
Have you consulted with Big Shizzle on this? Should be able to get it dialed.
Old    toolfan (toolfan)      Join Date: Jul 2003       08-26-2005, 11:54 AM Reply   
Maxed Out would be 4 Hyper"lite" boards, not 2.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 12:01 PM Reply   
hahaha!

Shizzle is vacation. I will consult him when I get back. Alan said the wake was bigger than Eds last night. But it's not safe to run it like that. We'll sink it. I don't want to damage my NVS'
Old    C.I.E... AL Bischofbee (allen)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-26-2005, 12:24 PM Reply   
chea!!! bigger. When we were getting up on plain the rooster tail was hitting the rope. that might mean we were pushin some serious water.
J- when is your appt.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 12:32 PM Reply   
4pm tonight. It's the Sopranos season 2 on DVD and milk shakes for me tonight. I'll probably have a lisp (sp?) next time you hear me talk.
Old    Mark Riley (madchild1)      Join Date: Mar 2005       08-26-2005, 12:43 PM Reply   
well, if the boat were a few feet loger 2500 wouldn't seem so outrageous. or even a few more inches. i mean mb has 2100-2500lbs from the factory.

i bet it got up on plane real quick.

like others before me, where are the pics of your man made tsunamis?
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 12:58 PM Reply   
She's got the big motor. Getting up on plane wasn't an issue at all.

I have some video from last night I will post later on.
Old    Jonathan Metherell (jonm)      Join Date: Jan 2002       08-26-2005, 12:58 PM Reply   
I too think that is awesome.

But just in case I forget this thread, remind me to never buy J-rod's X2.
Old    bambamski            08-26-2005, 2:38 PM Reply   
We were out the other day, we had 450 lbs in the bow, the center sack filled and eight people in the boat. The wake was freaken crazy big. Nobody wanted me to fill the back tanks. I can't imagine the wake you were throwing out there.
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       08-26-2005, 2:41 PM Reply   
he, he, he......

amazingly the boat still planes off with just over 1/2 throttle. That motor kicks.
Old    Squid (twakess)      Join Date: Mar 2002       08-26-2005, 2:44 PM Reply   
ya that motor is awsome. BTW did you all get to ride with one tank of gas.
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       08-26-2005, 2:56 PM Reply   
Pics please!!!
Old    Paul Bernier (wakeriderixi)      Join Date: Jan 2004       08-26-2005, 3:44 PM Reply   
we've had 3000 pounds of fat sacs and 12 people in a 2001 Super Air 210 before... Took the whole bayou almost to get on plane... As the wakeboarder you had to be drug for 20 hards just to get enough speed to stand up. when the boat stopped it damn near had to be bailed out from all the water that came rushing in. Needless to say it was an '01 and had 3 engion changes by '05, it was also all salt water.
Oh yea... the wake was a MONSTER but clean at 25mph.
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-26-2005, 4:41 PM Reply   
jrod, to me the solution in these types of situation is go to the old one foot rope extensions....meaning try riding at 88-89 ft. (you get the point)

or, you could be satisfied with "big enough" if there is such a thing.

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Old    wakebmxer            08-26-2005, 10:53 PM Reply   
If getting out of the hole isnt an issue add weight. Dont have more than a 1000lbs in hard weight though. That wake(205 hull) can be cleaned up no matter what. just move some hard weight around. But you will have to go faster. to clean up that one side of the wake move some hard weight to the not so step side until its clean and even. I run 2500lbs at 27 miles an hour with an 80 ft rope and its sweet. Still drives good, But my boat is direct drive. They handle better anyway.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       08-26-2005, 10:58 PM Reply   
Thank you Mike. Good info.
Old    Blair (twitch)      Join Date: Dec 2004       08-28-2005, 11:15 PM Reply   
J-Rod... WHERE THE PICS AT???

you cant go braggin on this wake with no pictures

come on dude you should know better than that
Old    John Jared (jjared)      Join Date: Oct 2002       08-28-2005, 11:24 PM Reply   
The most we ever had in mine was at Wakefest in 2003. There were 14 people in the boat, factory ballast, a 600lbs sack in each rear locker filled with as much water as we could get back there, another 6 on the floor, and another 6 in the front. All in all I estimate total weight with people and ballast around 4500lbs. It was evenly weighted, we rode at about 85 or 90 and 25mph. The key is to not over weight the back. 60/40 back to front when only a couple people. As the people load up adjust.

I don't have a pic of it when we were riding but I have one after we let a couple people into another boat.

Old    John Jared (jjared)      Join Date: Oct 2002       08-28-2005, 11:30 PM Reply   
Here's one that I like. Factory ballas, people, and I think about 150lbs in each rear locker. I'm 6 foot if that helps for sizing up the wake.
Old    Midwestwakeboarder.com (mjmurphy53711)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-29-2005, 7:38 AM Reply   
man, i need an x2. LOVE that shape.......

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Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       08-29-2005, 8:16 AM Reply   
What speed?
Old    Andrew Brown (robie)      Join Date: Mar 2004       08-29-2005, 11:54 AM Reply   
Does anyone else use the Fly High Bow Triangle? With that, v-drive sacs, ski locker sac and some fat kids I am pretty happy. I may look at one more sac to put on top of the ski locker we will see.
Old    Joshua (trojanman)      Join Date: May 2002       08-29-2005, 12:13 PM Reply   
Jrod - this weekend we ran -

160 under the front cushion
160 under the right front
160 under the lefdt front
All in lead

400 lbs fly high sacks in the rear = nearly 800lbs total for v drive

and - a 500 sack in the cockpit lenghtwise behind driver seat.

That makes 1780 lbs of added ballast. Plus stock - which makes it around 2500 or so.. i Think. Which was what i would call -- TOO DAMN MUCH for the boat. But hey, the wake was sick.

We also had a couple people, big boy sitting in the bow, and 3 more in the cockpit.

The wake was B--I--G ---

I have ridden all the boats, and I can say, this was huge, and clean at 24 - 80. biggest i have really ever ridden. I was talking about it for an hour, and glowing like a virgin on prom night.

It was really, really, hard to drive though. Buddy who wasnt as experienced with driving dunked the nose.. TWICE.. but when i got in, it just took a liitle getting used to. I think the trick to getting that vert and nasty lip at the top was the 500 lb sack in the rear of the cockpit, once we added that, the wake was unreal. But make sure to keep that weight in the front so the boat plains off ok.

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