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Old    liquidforceride            08-20-2004, 2:07 PM Reply   
i have been having a few problems with my toeside wake jump ... ie. i find it weird to have the handle in the position that it needs to be and that the edge up feels so uncomfortable.

Any suggestions?
Old    edward            08-20-2004, 2:24 PM Reply   
yep that sounds like toeside to me. thats just how it is at first. just practice it and it will become more comfortable. edge into the wake toeside the way that you toeside edge out before you come back into the wake. its the same edge just different location. practice.
Old    liquidforceride            08-20-2004, 2:28 PM Reply   
yeah that seems to be the jist of what i can do to improve my comfort level, hey...

Thnx for the advice
Old     (blake_hughes)      Join Date: May 2004       08-20-2004, 2:38 PM Reply   

TS is a biotch, huh? I'm in the process of learning it myself, and it's driving me crazy. One of the problems I've come across is holding the rope in tight, while in the air. My buddies noticed that as I jumped, I extend my arms, which let the rope seperate form my body, which reduced my momentum and hurt my jump. If that's what you are doing, practice holding the rope in tight as you jump, you'll notice that you'll make it further and further each time.

You're right, the approach feels awkard, but it's so critical. I was told to practice my TS approaches when I pull out for a HS jump. Practice them when you cut out, before you slow down and cut back in for a HS jump. The angle is identical, and it'll help get you comfortable with the rope/handle position, and leaning over on your TS edge.

Hopefully that'll help you out, it's not much, but it's the best advice I've been given so far. Good luck.

Old     (salmon_tacos)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-20-2004, 3:09 PM Reply   
I just started trying TS jumps and, while speed is a bit of an issue, POP is definitely not. I realized, after watching some video of TS jumps, that it is really easy to get consistent pop. I think the reason is that it is much harder to absorb the wake on your TS edge than on your HS edge. So if you just use the proper form, it's harder to ruin the pop with bad timing.

Keep your body straight (chest out), lean on the rope with the handle at your hips, and edge into the wake. Push down on your toe edge (straightening your legs) when you hit the wake and keep the handle down at your hips. When you get it once, you won't believe how easy it is after that...just commit to it.

Once you're in the air, pay attention to how you are travelling and how your body is oriented. I find that after my TS edge releases from the wake, my body is usually leaned back away from the boat a little too much so a slight pull on the handle makes it perfect. Let go with your back hand if you want to and land edging away from the boat. If you're comfortable edging out hard on your TS, it should be no problem.

Good luck!
Old    phaturn            08-20-2004, 3:17 PM Reply   
My fist toeside jumps have been a nightmare. I couldnt even get any pop. I'm slowly trying it out more and more...........................I'll be honest, I suck at it-
Old     (hyperlitenrd)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-20-2004, 3:49 PM Reply   
I found that for ts keep the handle in close to your led hip and you fine, But i cannot stick the landings, i keep landing then rolling to my hs, and losing control, so Ive been doing ts fs 180s, alot easier in my opinion
Old     (salmon_tacos)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-20-2004, 7:18 PM Reply   
Oh, BTW...I should have said, "I just started trying AND sticking my TS jumps." My point is that I think my advice is probably valid because it worked so well for me.
Old     (peter_c)      Join Date: Sep 2001       08-20-2004, 8:22 PM Reply   
One of the best ways of learning to hold an edge properly is to cut out, starting just outside the wake, and holding it until you fall flat on your face (It will not hurt). Then get up and do it again and again. After you feel comfortable take the muscle memory and apply it to the wake. This works well for remembering all four edges. I use this technique and a super short cut at the wake to practice...well...wakeboarding.
Old    murrayair            08-20-2004, 8:52 PM Reply   
The biggest thing that helped me was to keep the handle really really close to your waist from the moment you start cutting to the moment you land, and when you land keep edging out on your TS edge so you dont slip backwards. Also make sure your edge is really progressive. Lastly egde a little harder and wider than you feel comfortable. You will get used to it with practice.

(Message edited by murrayair on August 20, 2004)
Old    liquidforceride            08-22-2004, 2:43 PM Reply   
Thnx guys I was able to stick it in a tournament(Finally) the advice was basically the same you just need to practice



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