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Old    scott smith (sherman)      Join Date: Feb 2002       08-03-2003, 8:17 PM Reply   
what dose everyone think
might buy what do you think
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-04-2003, 1:02 AM Reply   
The important thing is what you think, demo one & tell us......





Thanks to Kyle for the wakepics.
Old    Tom (laptom)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-04-2003, 4:28 AM Reply   
How much weight in the Sanger of the wake pics? That wake is pretty sick!!!!
And what is the difference between a SangAir and for example V210 and a Ski Sanger??
And are the models pretty much the same from 1998 till now?

(Message edited by Laptom on August 04, 2003)
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-05-2003, 12:05 AM Reply   
I think the Sanger had 2k of ballast in it. The SangAir is a direct drive boat, same hull but with the motor in the centre. Both the V210 & the DLX (direct drive version) have ski Sanger on the side. Yes the hull hasn't changed since 95 or 96.
Old    Tom (laptom)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-05-2003, 2:42 AM Reply   
I like the boat & wake... Mucho. But the decals are not my taste, at the other hand seems the interior nice and smooth...

Keep on dreaming ;-)
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-05-2003, 5:56 AM Reply   
Our dealer here who sells sanger and malibu said it is the same size wake as a malibu sunsetter with the wedge down and the sanger having no weight. The wake is outstanding with minimal weight and very good with no weight. I ride with a 70 pound sac in the floor locker and it is great. When i am out with the buds we put another 600 on top of it. Killer.
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-05-2003, 5:57 AM Reply   
Darren, glad tat boat worked out for you...nice pics.
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-05-2003, 10:09 AM Reply   
Way to go big, Ty!! where didja get that 70lbs locker sac? I'll have to get one and try it out..I hope it doesn't overload my boat.


B-
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-05-2003, 10:17 AM Reply   
barry. you loser. you would have caught that.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-05-2003, 7:18 PM Reply   
My boat is still waiting to be dispatched, it's like the one above but with out the chequers, and has a blue tower. So far I only have some dark photos to peer at longingly.
Old    x10            08-05-2003, 7:37 PM Reply   
Not to be a skeptic, but how do we know the origin and details of the pictures if Darren has not received his boat yet???
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-05-2003, 7:43 PM Reply   
Photo's have been "published" on this and another site previously and have been around for about 6 months. Photo's shot by Kyle, who goes by the handle K-Dub amongst other things.
Old    Scott (scott_a)      Join Date: Dec 2002       08-05-2003, 7:53 PM Reply   
Ton V- here are some details of the pics...I know both the photographer and the rider and I will vouch for the pic's authenticity. None of these pics were photoshopped.
location: delta
photo by Kyle Wells
rider: Bobby Miller
boat: sanger V-210
ballast: around 2000lbs

I have been on several different Sangers and will confirm that the wake is very nice even with little to no weight. The Sanger V-210 is one of my favorite wakes.

(Message edited by scott_a on August 05, 2003)
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       08-06-2003, 9:28 AM Reply   
The Sanger does have a great wake. The boat will take a lot of weight. Put in 2500 lbs and kick up the speed and the wake is huge. They must have been riding near 21 or 22 mph to get it that big. Nice boats, not a lot of frills, handles very well around the dock/ idle speeds. I am just not too thrilled about Merc engines.

(Message edited by deltahoosier on August 06, 2003)
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-06-2003, 10:08 AM Reply   
Tom, those photo's are accurate..That's no doubt the size and shape of a V-210 wake with about 2k lbs. It does look like he's riding 21-22 mph because the wake in the 2nd and 3rd pic appear be on the cusp of rolling over.

B-
Old    CAwakesk8r (hatepwcs)      Join Date: Mar 2002       08-06-2003, 1:37 PM Reply   
Sangers suck!
Old    kwisenor            08-06-2003, 3:50 PM Reply   
Where do you put the 2k lbs to get that wake? This last week I had a 400 lb. locker sac, 550 lb bag on top of that and then 2 side sacs for another 500+ in the back and I was still disappointed with the wake. I rode behind my buddies Super Air Nautique and have never experienced a wake like that in my life. I finally figured out what they mean by "pop" off thw wake. Now I'm in a quest to make my wake like that...how do I do it?

Kent
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-06-2003, 4:12 PM Reply   
From what I have read, more in the front, less in the back. Most guys are running a 700 pound floor sac, ask ty where to get them from.
Old    Kung Fu Wake & Video (dcervenka)      Join Date: Sep 2002       08-06-2003, 6:52 PM Reply   
I'm running the same sack as Ty which is from Lets Go Ride (LGR). Excellent Quality Sacks (but a little slow to ship when I ordered... I guess there was a back ordered on the 1" nozzles)

If you do end up ordering a LGR sack, take your own measurements. I told the guy I wanted the same sack that Ty had and ended up with monster that has to be folded into thirds just to fit. Not exactly the ideal fit....



Old    kwisenor            08-06-2003, 7:35 PM Reply   
I've been trying for 2 weeks to get in touch with Pete from LGR to order the 700 lb sack for my boat...just got back from a week at the lake and was hoping to have it beforehand. Oh well...maybe someday I'll get it. Between that and my existing 400 lb. locker sack on the floor in front maybe that'll do the trick? Anyone???
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-07-2003, 6:34 AM Reply   
he was on vaca. he is back now.
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-07-2003, 6:38 AM Reply   
dc,
no kiddng on your sac size. i had to fold mine to get it in. once it filled it expanded open and filled the whole cavity. i wonder what happened with yours. barry and the other guys all fit also.
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-07-2003, 6:41 AM Reply   
www.letsgoride.com
very reasonably priced.
Old    Charley Carvalho (wakeeater)      Join Date: May 2002       08-07-2003, 10:48 AM Reply   



theres my friends v 210 with 12 k in it i m 5'11 and 85 feet back sry for teh blurry pictures and u should definetly buy sangers kick a$$
Old    billywest            08-12-2003, 12:25 AM Reply   
The beauty of the Sanger is it has something for everybody in the family. Storage for the wife. Sundeck and stereo for baby girl and friends. Somewhat low in the water (which I like) good looking and monster motor(Black Scorpion 330 hp) makes Dad happy and of course the killer wake the boys like. Quite honestly we wakeboard most of the time without the ballast system filled. Love the pictures you folks took, looks great.
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-13-2003, 9:35 AM Reply   
dc,
i was thinking about the sac size and you have to look farther under. in order to optimize, the measurements at the opeing are at around 23 and 25-26 above the vent pipes. farther up in the bow it moves up to 32-36 inches wide so i split the difference and went 28 wide. it is very snug but should fit great...
Old    holbywan            08-13-2003, 9:48 AM Reply   
Ty,

You running any lead in the bow to firm up the wake? If not how much ballast would you say you put in the bow as opposed to the rear of the boat? I rode behind a Nautique last night and the wake is MUCH firmer than my Sanger. About the same size and shape though. Nautique was a bit more "peaky". Looking for ways to firm that sucker up.

-Chris
Old    Kung Fu Wake & Video (dcervenka)      Join Date: Sep 2002       08-13-2003, 10:01 AM Reply   
Ty - I'll confirm the measurements this weekend.

Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-13-2003, 10:02 AM Reply   
weight in the bow makes it rampier. weight in the rear makes it steaper. you can put sacs in the back or lead. i am actually getting lead bars for the back currently.

i usually ride with the 700 and a 600 on top of it and it is killer. i like my storage right now for stuff such as lots of beer...
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-13-2003, 10:04 AM Reply   
dc,
let me know what you come up with.
Old    United Fed of Big Wakes (ufobw)      Join Date: Aug 2003       08-13-2003, 10:24 AM Reply   
Chris - Considering Sanger's hull design it's optimal to place the weight forward of the driver as Ty recommends. I recommend 60-65% of dead weight (non people) starting the distribution mid-ship (center ski locker) going towards the bow and the remainder in the rear lockers.

300 lbs in each rear locker (total of 600)
450 lbs center locker
300 lbs bow (150 lbs. lead in each of the 2 bow compartments)

In most cases your third will be sitting in the observation seat (again mid-ship) adding anywhere from 110 - 230 lbs and another 2 - 3 people in the rear adding anywhere from 240 - 450 lbs.

You may have noticed that too much weight in the rear of the boat makes it harder drive at the optimal speed. Balancing the weight to the recommended distribution will give you that thicker wake and better drivability.


Old    holbywan            08-13-2003, 10:43 AM Reply   
Right on. Thanks for the tip. I am sourcing the lead right now. The rest of it I have covered. I am stoked on trying that setup out later this week.

I'll let you know how it goes.
Old    holbywan            08-13-2003, 10:45 AM Reply   
The tent offer still stands BTW.
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-13-2003, 10:49 AM Reply   
if you use lead make sure you coat it with something like dip it.
Old    holbywan            08-13-2003, 10:57 AM Reply   
I was going to spray paint it. Bad idea? What happens if you leave it bare? Just curious.
Old    Kung Fu Wake & Video (dcervenka)      Join Date: Sep 2002       08-13-2003, 12:01 PM Reply   
Wouldn't lead shot be a better alternative to bars?

Old    Rick H (blastmaster)      Join Date: Aug 2001       08-13-2003, 12:29 PM Reply   
Just curious what rope length and speed you guys are using? I just got my 96 DLX about a month and a half ago and am still playing with weight,speed rope length etc..

I currently have no sacs cause I was tired of the hassle and mess. So come winter I'll order a sac and use Ty's schematic.

I currently have about 500-600lbs of lead distrubted here:
3x65lb bars under ice chest in floor.
2x65 under front seats.
5x65 under rear seat and wedged next to gas tank.

Does it appear I have too much in the rear?

The wake is crisp and rampy. We've been riding @ 70" at about 20mph, but I have no faith in speedos being anywhere near accurate. Dont have PP. Usually judge by rpms @ 22-2400

I still have a sac and pump so I'll try it in front this we @ Shasta.

Has anybody made a ply pen filler cushion for the bow? I am in the midst and will show you when it's done.

Rick
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-13-2003, 12:32 PM Reply   
i would think you should be fine since it is a direct drive...
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-13-2003, 12:34 PM Reply   
we ride at about 22 mph and 70 feet.

a couple of guys i ride with run at about the same but with more weight and 23-24 mph. it seems like the more weight you have the faster you go by a little...
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-13-2003, 12:40 PM Reply   
we ride my buddies malibu with a sack on each side of the engine and one in the bow and the wake is very killer.
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-13-2003, 1:30 PM Reply   
UFOBW,

you need more weight in that thing.
Old    Kung Fu Wake & Video (dcervenka)      Join Date: Sep 2002       08-14-2003, 10:12 PM Reply   
TY - The sack is 36" x 80" - I guess that explains why it doesn't fit that well...

Anyone with a larger center locker want to buy a LGR sack with 3 1" fittings?
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-15-2003, 6:51 AM Reply   
no wonder. it is supposed to be a 9x28x80 inch sac.

ask pete to exchange it...
Old    Kung Fu Wake & Video (dcervenka)      Join Date: Sep 2002       08-15-2003, 9:34 AM Reply   
Cool, I'll see what Pete will do.
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-15-2003, 9:37 AM Reply   
no wonder
Old    TY-one-on (typhoon)      Join Date: Jul 2001       08-15-2003, 9:39 AM Reply   
see if he can cut that thing in half and i can use the 2-350 pounders...

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