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Old    biggsie            02-23-2014, 6:59 PM Reply   
Moved the hull/trailer out today and got the top/drivetrain in the shop. Kinda feels like starting over again!

First step is to remove the "ski locker" to make room for ballast.

More to come.....


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Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-27-2014, 11:06 AM Reply   
Glad to see this project is still alive and well
Old    biggsie            03-03-2014, 12:53 PM Reply   
Top cap is stripped down and almost ready for paint. Psi washed the motor/tranny while I was at it. Name:  ImageUploadedByTapatalk1393879933.039609.jpg
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Old    biggsie            03-16-2014, 3:39 PM Reply   
1st coat of yellow is down. Getting excited to start re-assembly and get this thing back together. Name:  ImageUploadedByTapatalk1395009549.179623.jpg
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Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       03-16-2014, 3:43 PM Reply   
You should probably get rid of it. They're clearly inferior to axis and they tend to have voids in the hull.


KIDDING. sweet project you're straight killing it! Props on this restoration
Old    biggsie            03-16-2014, 4:28 PM Reply   
Bottom half packed away in the garage.


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Old    biggsie            03-28-2014, 8:48 AM Reply   
Making more progress. The paint work is done! Hardware is installed, and teak is being re-finished. I made a custom teak dash to replace the factory vinyl one.

I'm going to work on the motor/tranny next and then finally put the top cap back on and drop the motor back in.

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Old    Orion (chillinoj)      Join Date: May 2009       03-28-2014, 11:19 AM Reply   
Still one impressive rebuild, I love watching the progress. When do you hope to hit the water?
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       03-28-2014, 11:20 AM Reply   
Man it's coming along nicely, glad to see this one has died out like so many in the past. Speaking of the motor, what all are you planning on doing to it? Leave it all stock or do some power adders? Have you thought about converting it over to a TBI system?
Old    biggsie            03-30-2014, 8:19 PM Reply   
The "wheel house" is done. I was able to resurrect most of the teak trim but I had to buy a few board feet of teak for the gauge/switch panels. $29.99 per bf!!

Top is ready to go back on!

Joann fabric had a 50% off sale on foam so I took advantage. $260 for the two bundles!

Snowed another 8" yesterday

As for the motor, it has an edelbrock intake and a Holley carb. I have checked compression, replaced plugs, changed oil and filter and will be replacing most of the hoses. TBI is definitely running through my mind for next winter as I dislike any carb that isn't attached to a bike/quad. I ran the motor with a fake-a-lake in the fall and it seemed to run well.

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Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       03-31-2014, 5:54 AM Reply   
Looks so awesome. Thanks for keeping us updated!
Old    James Proctor (allzway)      Join Date: Feb 2014       03-31-2014, 9:33 AM Reply   
I like these restoration projects. Here is another I have followed about the restoration of a Ski Brendella.

http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread...highlight=boat
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       03-31-2014, 8:49 PM Reply   
Looking very nice.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       04-01-2014, 8:15 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by biggsie View Post
baitkiller you are reading it correct. The old stringer system was not disturbed where the fillets meet the hull in order to maintain the structure. As for the deck, I left a 2" lip of the original glass floor attached to the sides of the hull. When I cut out the pieces I grooved the ply on the edges to slide in tongue and groove style. Limber holes won't work with the foam sprayed in.

For what I plan to have invested if it lasts me and my family at least 10 years I'm happy. I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure it will last twice that if kept covered and cared for.

Disclaimer: I am not a boat builder and many will disagree with the way I'm doing this restoration. With that said if I restored it back to the way Supra did I can guarantee it would be rotten again in twenty some years.

Take a piece of 2x4 coat it with CPES a few times then coat it with quality bed liner and set it outside uncovered.

Let me know when it is rotten


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So long as you don't sell this thing with some badge saying "replaced/reinforced the stringers"

You were in the heart of the beast, I am baffled as to why you wouldn't do it right and replace those old punky stringers. Wouldn't catch me buying this thing. Nice resto otherwise but I feel like the stringer reinforcement is lipstick on a pig, its a band aid type "fix" that I am not a fan of...
Old    biggsie            04-01-2014, 4:08 PM Reply   
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So long as you don't sell this thing with some badge saying "replaced/reinforced the stringers"



You were in the heart of the beast, I am baffled as to why you wouldn't do it right and replace those old punky stringers. Wouldn't catch me buying this thing. Nice resto otherwise but I feel like the stringer reinforcement is lipstick on a pig, its a band aid type "fix" that I am not a fan of...
Don't worry I wouldn't sell it to you anyway
Old    biggsie            04-01-2014, 4:10 PM Reply   
Some more pics from today. Milestone.... She's back in one piece.

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Old    Rob Andrus (robandrus)      Join Date: Feb 2002       04-01-2014, 5:04 PM Reply   
I kept looking at the pics of the top hull on the trailer thinking "wow, teak wood planks for the floor! That's so cool!" Sweet project!
Old    Jack Moore (JMoore15)      Join Date: Sep 2012       04-01-2014, 6:38 PM Reply   
Not much else to say but that is some very impressive work.
Old    biggsie            04-05-2014, 6:58 AM Reply   
Radio and ballast switches. There is no good place to install a radio on this boat. Had to make a panel.

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Old    Bret Cole (Bret)      Join Date: Nov 2013       04-05-2014, 7:59 AM Reply   
what's you plan for a tower
Old    biggsie            04-05-2014, 10:16 AM Reply   
No tower here. Just an extended pylon for wakeboarding. Don't need one for surfing and I'm not a fan of the looks of a tower on an old boat.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       04-05-2014, 10:42 PM Reply   
Looking good! Sweet job on this!
Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       04-06-2014, 5:23 AM Reply   
Cant wait to see your ballast plans...
Old    Jesse M (Jesse)      Join Date: Apr 2014       04-07-2014, 8:07 PM Reply   
What kind of paint and clear coat did you use for the paint job? Also which kind of bedlinerpaint did you use?

Awesome work cant wait to see it all finished and ready to go
Old    biggsie            04-08-2014, 1:00 PM Reply   
The paint is Interlux Brightside. No clear coat just wet sand buff and wax.
Old    D Hill (dhill)      Join Date: Aug 2010       04-08-2014, 1:16 PM Reply   
so impressive!!!!
Old    biggsie            04-11-2014, 8:21 AM Reply   
28 year old rats nest of wires removed and replaced. Took a long time but it was worth it. Name:  ImageUploadedByTapatalk1397229704.349000.jpg
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Old    Nikolas Dramountanis (Greeko)      Join Date: May 2013       04-11-2014, 1:44 PM Reply   
use more tie wraps to keep the wires from shaking the connectors off and more secure!
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       04-11-2014, 9:27 PM Reply   
Quote:
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The paint is Interlux Brightside. No clear coat just wet sand buff and wax.

Best stuff out there
Old    biggsie            05-01-2014, 7:25 AM Reply   
Haven't posted in a while. Not too much to report. Just getting started on the interior layout. I know I'm on the home stretch but my punch list seems endless!

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Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       05-01-2014, 8:26 PM Reply   
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Haven't posted in a while. Not too much to report. Just getting started on the interior layout. I know I'm on the home stretch but my punch list seems endless!

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I'm going to be the first one to ask, so forgive my stupidity...but what is this for? Engine cover? Or am I way off?
Old    biggsie            05-01-2014, 10:10 PM Reply   
Yep engine cover. I have zero of the original interior so it's all going to be built from scratch.
Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       05-02-2014, 4:15 AM Reply   
Still super impressive! Keep the pics comin!
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-02-2014, 6:23 AM Reply   
Engine cover LOL. I thought you were building a step that helped you get in and out of the boat. I was going to say You are the Man. Especially when you are doing a project as big as this you must have been in and out of the boat a million times. A step like this is Exactley what you need. Then when I discovered It was your engine cover I was like WTH how can a "Square shaped box" like this be a engine cover. Then I thought back to what boats of the older vintage had for a engine cover and Yes I guess your cover is period correct. The old Stars and Stripes and 2001 Nautiques had pretty much a box for a motor cover. "BUT" if it was up to me I would try to add some shape (curves) to the motor box cover I think it might look a but more factory. Just my 2c but great project thanks for sharing. It's great to see projects like this and the Hydrodine rebuild

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Old    biggsie            05-02-2014, 8:21 AM Reply   
Actually the engine cover from this boat was a curvy fiberglass unit. I wanted to add some seating.
If time ( it's May) we're not an issue I would probably try to make it more modern looking but I think it will look ok as is.
Old    Andrew Aslesen (RideaNeversummer)      Join Date: Feb 2014       05-08-2014, 7:05 AM Reply   
It's your boat, make your engine cover whatever size/shape/color you want. Great Job! and it's been fun following along. I hope you can get it done soon, so you can get on the water and have some fun!
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       05-08-2014, 8:53 AM Reply   
A seat on the back of the engine cover is a great idea....keep going
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       05-28-2014, 11:33 AM Reply   
Any update here? I love seeing the progress! I especially like that you painted yours. I went with a wrap and it's not as durable as I'd hoped. I'm going to have to address the exterior cosmetics of my boat again in 3-5 years I bet.

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Old    biggsie            05-29-2014, 4:44 PM Reply   
Not sure what happened to my Tapatalk account so I have kept you guys out of the loop. I'm getting closer by the day, should be dunking her in the lake this weekend to see if it floats! I got some ridiculous quotes for the upholstery so I am doing it myself. I will post more pics when I get my Tapatalk to work again.
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Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       05-29-2014, 5:15 PM Reply   
Way to go! Looks like you're making goo progress. It's hard to tell in the pictures, but I strongly recomend painting or epoxy coating the wood before you cover it. Your hard work will last 5 times longer if keep the water out of the wood. Especially the solid 2x2 pine/fir The ply will last a while but that 2x2 cleat won't. Looking great tho, and keep the pics coming. Can't wait to see it on the water. Nice job!
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       05-30-2014, 8:29 AM Reply   
Can't really tell for sure what you've got going on for the driver's seat, but I have something for you if you can use it. .
It's left over from my build. If you pay shipping, you can have it. PM me. If you don't want it, it goes to Craigslist.
Old    biggsie            05-30-2014, 9:27 AM Reply   
Thanks Jed but I'm all set. I built my seat as a bench with no back so I can drive from my knees and be able to walk around the boat easier.
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       05-30-2014, 9:30 AM Reply   
That's a functional design. I like it. Do you have storage under the seat? Or a sub enclosure?
Old    biggsie            05-30-2014, 10:15 AM Reply   
Small 8" sub box, the rest is storage.
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       05-30-2014, 11:32 AM Reply   
Sweet. I'm having trouble finding the right spot for 2 tens that I own. I think I can get one under the helm, but the other may not get used.
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       06-01-2014, 2:08 PM Reply   
Dropped her in the lake today! Had the motor, floor, and transom exposed to check for leaks and other issues. A few things to address but nothing big.

One thing that was interesting is that I must have installed the steering box wrong at the helm. My steering was backwards! Left was right and right was left, made for an awkward cruise around the lake.
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       06-01-2014, 3:07 PM Reply   
Backwards steering. Perfect for the dyslexic boat captain.... She looks beautiful!! Glad you had a successful lake test. Nice job.
Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       06-02-2014, 2:03 PM Reply   
awesome!
Old    supra for me (supra24ssv)      Join Date: Mar 2006       06-02-2014, 3:17 PM Reply   
can't wait to see the finished pics
Old    Orion (chillinoj)      Join Date: May 2009       06-03-2014, 8:31 AM Reply   
Haha that must have been super awkward.. Did you test out sac and see what the wave looked like? Congrats on one being one step closer, love getting the updates.
Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       06-03-2014, 3:03 PM Reply   
The backwards steering had me laughing.
I see you have your ballast switches labeled left and right, but I only see one sack in the back where the locker is.
Were you planning to do a 750 that went between the ski locker area and the rear seat on each side and it didn't work out, or is there still a second bag in the works?
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       06-03-2014, 4:34 PM Reply   
The rear has two bags. Twin 750's. The other two 400's are up front. There is a splitter valve for each side on the passenger seat base. I'll try to get you a better pic of the rear "sack locker" later.

Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       06-04-2014, 8:48 AM Reply   
Ok, with that pic I see it. I didn't notice the other one tucked away in there until I saw that pic. So you're running 4 bags with 2 pumps and have a switch for the front, a switch for the rear, and just flip the valve depending on what side you're doing?
It looks like you used a sheet of HDPE over the gas tank to support the weight of the bags off the gas tank. Did you have to remove or cut anything else besides the locker insert to do your setup there? How thick HDPE did you use?

Also do you have any pics of the rear with the hatch covered? Do you think you have any room for a shallow ski locker insert to be put in there with the bags as well?
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       06-04-2014, 8:55 AM Reply   
Switch for right, switch for left, valves for front/rear. My gas tank was relocated forward under the seat. With the bags empty the rear compartment is huge.
Old    William Burell (williamburell)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-04-2014, 9:25 AM Reply   
nice work man
Old    Jerry McClain (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       06-04-2014, 11:09 AM Reply   
Very nice detail on the board storage slot.
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       06-15-2014, 9:06 PM Reply   
Well it's been a long road to get here but I'm finally done. Now I can focus on dialing in my wake and enjoying the summer.
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       06-15-2014, 9:21 PM Reply   
It looks crazy good. Nice job. You should be proud! Love seeing the fam in there enjoying it too.
Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       06-15-2014, 9:53 PM Reply   
I understand the functionality of the rear bench for the ballast and gas tank and the walk through, but it doesn't look like a very comfortable place to sit with the short back rests and the padding looks really thin. Is it just deceiving in the pictures, or is it the less desirable place to sit on the boat, aka the "guest seat"?
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       06-16-2014, 9:08 AM Reply   
Seating was definitely sacrificed for functional ballast and storage. The padding is thicker than it looks I guess (2" foam). The rear bench is comfy with your elbows on the top deck, passenger seat sucks because of the windshield on the back of your head, drivers bench is sweet and the bow just rocks! Wife wishes she had a bucket seat
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       06-16-2014, 9:36 AM Reply   
… a moment of silence for an incredible build….

silence over… Respect man, that is gorgeous.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-16-2014, 11:05 AM Reply   
wow. needs pics of that wave! looks like it turned out great!
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       06-16-2014, 11:34 AM Reply   
So a couple things I'm curious about:

1. It looks like there are a few inches of space between the top of the fuel tank and the bottom of the seats. Wondering why you didn't make the seats a bit lower to get a bit more lumbar support/seat in there. I understand the center step section, I'm assuming that your fuel pump/sending unit is probably under that. But it seem like you could've gained some slightly more comfortable seating in the rear by lowering the seats a bit.

2. Have you actually surfed it yet? I'd love to see the wake pics if you have any yet. I know there's a few guys running these boats and are always having to play with the weight constantly to get a decent wake. Just curious how well the built-in ballast is working out and if you're able to get a decent/good wake out of it?
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       06-16-2014, 12:10 PM Reply   
1. I matched the seat height from the front (16"). The space under the cushions is perfect for the tube and all my ropes!

2. I have surfed a couple times but I'm a noob (goofy) and can't drop the rope yet. I have a friend who can surf and he will help me dial in the wave soon. With both bags full (750+400) on one side full, the rub rail is dragging at surf speeds so I think it should be good.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       06-16-2014, 12:16 PM Reply   
Congrats on the build and nice work. Gotta be exciting to get her on the water.
Old    James Jackson (jamespjackson95)      Join Date: Jul 2012       06-16-2014, 9:48 PM Reply   
I usually am not a fan of the high ski poles on boats but on yours I think it looks great... Classic.
Old     (Motosno963)      Join Date: Mar 2014       06-16-2014, 10:11 PM Reply   
where are you in NY? im up on the big ol lake haha
Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       06-16-2014, 10:18 PM Reply   
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1. I matched the seat height from the front (16"). The space under the cushions is perfect for the tube and all my ropes!

2. I have surfed a couple times but I'm a noob (goofy) and can't drop the rope yet. I have a friend who can surf and he will help me dial in the wave soon. With both bags full (750+400) on one side full, the rub rail is dragging at surf speeds so I think it should be good.
Just a bit of advice on the surf setup. We run a 1992 Sunsport, so same hull, just a bit newer. We had a decent setup last year and have improved upon it this season, even before the addition of a surf system.
The setup we ran last year,
-Tube sack under the seat, about 350lbs
-Tube sack on the side of the doghouse, also about 350lbs
-750 on top of the rear seat and the tube sack on the floor
-10.3-10.7mph
-wakeplate down about 1/4" down from level, measured by distance between the two turnbuckles

The setup this year before surf system,
-Tube sack under the seat, about 350lbs
-750 on the side of the doghouse
-750 on top of the rear seat and 750 on the floor
-9.7-10.3mph
-wakeplate down about 9/16" down from level, measured by distance between the two turnbuckles

The wave this year is longer and has a ton more push. The boat also is able to ride with the nose down more and is a lot easier to steer, rpms are a bit lower and it gets up to surf speed quicker.

For your setup, I would actually recommend filling the starboard locker all the way, not filling the port bag or the bow sacks and throwing at least 400, if not 750 on the surf side by the doghouse.
Make sure you adjust your wakeplate too, that was a big factor in this working.

We also have made a custom surf platform as the stock platform caught the wake too much, created spray, made the wave real dirty and robbed push. Doing this was a HUGE improvement .

What transmission do you have in it? Is it the PCM-40a or the PCM-40i? The prop rotation with the 1:1 40a favors the regular side. I'm not sure if the 1.23:1 40i has a different prop rotation with the gear reduction, but I imagine it might. I'm not saying a transmission swap would be feasible labor or money wise, but if you are intent on keeping this boat forever and surf goofy, it might be worth looking into if it does indeed change prop rotation to favor the goofy side. Otherwise how it is, with the 40a, the regular side will always make a much nicer wave than the goofy side would.
Old    Mike K (mike2001)      Join Date: Feb 2008       06-17-2014, 5:04 PM Reply   
Great re-build/restoration. What I like about it is that its updated and new but doesn't look like an old boat trying to look like a newer one. Good idea to stick with the pole and not put a tower on it. This and the Hydrodyne threads have been the best to follow the last few months. Congrats.
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       06-18-2014, 7:54 PM Reply   
Thanks guys, I was going for a classic look with modern touches. I'm too old for big speaker bars and boards hanging all over

As for the surf wave...... That's another story now. I'm having what I think is a tranny issue. It seems to be skipping under heavy ballast. Wave was looking good with an additional 400 next to the motor box tho.
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       08-18-2014, 11:22 AM Reply   
Well here is the situation.... The property next to my shop just went up for sale and I need to buy it. Like I told my wife, they make new boats every day and they aren't making any more land next door. I'm asking $14,900. I have about that invested without labor costs and I think it's a fair price for what it is. Pass the word and let me know if you are interested.



Long story short ...... I really wanted a wakesurf boat. I then I realized that having a mortgage on a boat was out of the question. Modern surf boats go from $40k to over $100k!!



Research ensued and I decided that building myself a wake surfing boat was a plausible option.



This Supra Sunsport is a 19.5' deep v inboard ski boat that shares the hull design of the modern wakeboard boats. This hull shape is also very good for wake surfing due to the high freeboard (doesn't sit low in the water). This allows the use of heavy ballast systems without the fear of swamping over the bow or stern.



Over the last year I have spent countless hours and a lot of money restoring and modifying this boat. I built it to surf and wakeboard and to spend time with my family and teach my young boys how to enjoy watersports as much as I do. Every aspect of this build was thought out and planned extensively.



My intention was to keep the boat for about 10 years then upgrade. This summer I have enjoyed the boat and logged about 30hrs on it. Recently a financial issue has come up and now I need the money more than the boat so a decision was made.



I have enjoyed every aspect of building this boat and the end result was everything I had hoped for. I am sad to sell her but tough times come to all.



-1986 Supra "Biggs"

-Open bow 19'6" direct drive.

-351 v8 windsor engine with edelbrock Intake and new Holley carb.

-1:1 Borg Warner velvet drive.

-Fully gutted hull and completely rebuilt boat and trailer.

-2300lb concealed ballast system.

-Marine stereo system with subwoofer and smartphone connectivity.

-7' Skylon pole

-6ft 3 bow Bimini top.

-Custom fit full mooring cover.

-SMP original dual axle trailer.

-Detailed photo album of complete build from start to finish, including a folder of almost all receipts of the items purchased.



Test drives available in Canandaigua, Honeoye, and Keuka lakes.

Call 607-287-6818



$14,900.00

No negotiations prior to viewing this boat.



http://supraboats.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=15772



http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=800554
Old    Trayson Harmon (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       08-18-2014, 3:54 PM Reply   
Wow, that's a ton of time/effort to see it go bye bye. It was quite a project. I hope you get something decent out of it, but I would imagine it might be a hard sell. never know, someone with that $15k budget might just be enticed.

G/L
Old     (Jed)      Join Date: Aug 2013       08-18-2014, 10:11 PM Reply   
Condolences. Good luck with the land purchase. Sound like a good opportunity.
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       09-04-2014, 3:13 PM Reply   
Price dropped to $12,500
Old    John Biggs (Biggsie)      Join Date: May 2014       09-12-2014, 1:31 PM Reply   
One last try before I winterize and put her away till spring.

$10,000

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