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Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       04-27-2011, 11:13 AM Reply   
So I finally remembered to take pictures of my fae wave cleaner. My swim deck is so short I got spray from the FAE. It has the same angles of my transom and some pipes zip tied to it and they are full of some scrap metal. The rubber is a dump truck mud flap. Works great.
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Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       04-27-2011, 5:53 PM Reply   
Interesting, our MB has some weird drop sprays on the reg side, I need a flapper on it
Old     (TheSqueakyWheel)      Join Date: Oct 2010       04-27-2011, 7:48 PM Reply   
I'm not familiar with the concept of these flappers. What are they designed to do?
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       04-28-2011, 10:07 AM Reply   
Well i don't know what the concept for other boats is but I designed this contraction to keep spray from my FAE off my wave. Works perfectly and my wave is clean. It was a simple way to fix my issue.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       06-14-2011, 9:21 AM Reply   
I built a 2nd FAE flap. This is for my new to me 2005 Tige 24v. I used 3/4 stainless that a local machine shop bent and drilled. I then painted it to match. Again the angles match the transom and it works perfectly! Super clean wave and no spray from the FAE. Tige's have a nice bar on the teak deck that worked great to bolt to.
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Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-28-2011, 8:59 PM Reply   
how would this work to keep prop wash off of the wave?
Old    Robert Garcia (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       08-29-2011, 2:36 AM Reply   
Do you have any before and after pics?
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       08-29-2011, 10:06 AM Reply   
Nope, I put it on before I ever even surfed it.
Old    E (22vdrive)      Join Date: Apr 2010       08-29-2011, 1:31 PM Reply   
Drew I have the same problem with my Tomcat, mine has the muffler on the port-side so I figure that's whats causing it cause it's non existence on the starboard side. Luckily I'm goofy so my friends are the ones that experience the droplets.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-16-2013, 11:38 AM Reply   
Here is the new generation. Version 3.0 i call it. Made out of 3/4 horse stall mat. Doesn't flex as much and makes the wave almost perfectly clean all the time. Which makes my wave changeable. Long if I want, tall if I want etc... It's bolted to the bracket. Works 100x better then 1.0 and 2.0
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Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-16-2013, 11:54 AM Reply   
I'd be interested to see metalfabguy's MB setup out of the water. It's a much longer flap and more flexible. It flaps and waves when the boat's at idle and looks like a manta ray.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-16-2013, 12:44 PM Reply   
Longer isn't better, stiffer is better.
Old    Nailem (nailem)      Join Date: Apr 2011       10-18-2013, 5:37 PM Reply   
Would you happen to have a picture from the board towards the boat while underway? Do you want the flap to stay straight down while underway or do you want it to flex some?
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       10-19-2013, 7:23 AM Reply   
Never been behind a boat with FAE... Does it really have that large of a spray pattern to deal with?
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-19-2013, 2:19 PM Reply   
You want it to stay down. Fae doesn't make it that bad. I just like clean! It's difficult for me to flex the flap
Old     (AndrewC)      Join Date: Jan 2011       10-19-2013, 3:19 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pad1Tai View Post
Never been behind a boat with FAE... Does it really have that large of a spray pattern to deal with?
No, been running a FAE for nearly 3 years and I am fine with it. That being said, different boats are configured differently eg. Single exhaust outlet in boat or dual, or platform mounting varies so that could be the differance
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       10-19-2013, 7:42 PM Reply   
Wondering if this flap would have any effect on a non FAE boat... They all produce a spray from the off side hull.. Has anyone tried this?
Old    Nailem (nailem)      Join Date: Apr 2011       10-19-2013, 8:24 PM Reply   
If you want to keep it straight would vertical bar stock, one on each Sid and one down the center, help? My enzo with teak deck and quick release fae I get some spray from the support pipes of the far. Not bad but I might set a mud flap up for next year.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-19-2013, 10:46 PM Reply   
It will help almost all boats. Just calms prop wash. Simple and cheap, no reason not to try. Best way to cut the horse stall mats is a jig saw
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       10-20-2013, 7:07 AM Reply   
Can you post a b4 and after pic if you have them.. that would be great...
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-20-2013, 3:33 PM Reply   
I don't have any. I might have some from my centurion avalanche. I originally made the flap for it. If you want a cleaner wave then this will help for sure. I put it on my tige before I tried it. I cut the swim deck as well. Since that was also proven to help the wave on my avalanche as well.
Old    Mike (slowwwflowww)      Join Date: Mar 2011       10-20-2013, 4:55 PM Reply   
Like mud flaps on a truck.
Old    Trayson Harmon (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       10-21-2013, 9:24 AM Reply   
how do the mud flaps affect the wakeboard wake?
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-21-2013, 9:59 AM Reply   
It doesn't change the wakeboard wake. I thought it might, I don't think it has enough power.
Old    Trayson Harmon (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       10-21-2013, 10:13 AM Reply   
I think you need to get some chrome emblems for your mat...

Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-21-2013, 10:20 AM Reply   
Truck mud flaps proved to not be stiff enough, horse stall mats are the bomb. Chrome emblems may have helped
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       10-21-2013, 11:54 AM Reply   
Where can you get the horse stall matts?
Old    Ben Holloway (BenHolloway)      Join Date: Aug 2012       10-21-2013, 12:28 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyv420 View Post
Where can you get the horse stall matts?
Ranch supply
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-21-2013, 1:29 PM Reply   
Big-r, tractor supply, any horse- feed store. Any crossfit gym may have pieces to sell.
Old    Jason Fleming (jaws)      Join Date: May 2012       01-14-2014, 11:57 AM Reply   
has anyone else tried this?
Old    Jack Moore (JMoore15)      Join Date: Sep 2012       01-14-2014, 2:30 PM Reply   
I went a different direction a couple years ago (prior to the VX) on my Z1 and built a horizontal plate out of aluminum and it was awesome. I am currently building one to test against my VX on my Z3.
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Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       01-15-2014, 1:48 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaws View Post
has anyone else tried this?
Lots of people have with good results. Plus it's not a hard mod.

Electric plate would have been perfect but I gave up on tinkering. Nice looking plate!
Old     (W5)      Join Date: Apr 2013       03-17-2014, 1:49 PM Reply   
What does everyone think of an RV Rockguard material?
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Old    FENCE SENCE (fence_sence)      Join Date: Jul 2008       03-17-2014, 3:00 PM Reply   
Worthless for this application.

Maybe that's a bit harsh. I think you need the stiffness of the rubber to actually push the water down.

Last edited by fence_sence; 03-17-2014 at 3:04 PM.
Old     (W5)      Join Date: Apr 2013       03-17-2014, 3:05 PM Reply   
Thanks for the input. I was thinking about knocking down spray, not wave formation...
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       04-15-2014, 9:13 AM Reply   
I had an idea last night. A wave flap on a malibu. Between the wedge. It would minimize the fire hydrant effect.
Old    FENCE SENCE (fence_sence)      Join Date: Jul 2008       04-15-2014, 10:03 AM Reply   
That's a great idea Duffy.
Old     (whiteflashwatersports1)      Join Date: Dec 2012       04-15-2014, 1:01 PM Reply   
Tige 2012 RZR before and after pics - eliminated all spray and smoothed the face nicely
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Old    Trayson Harmon (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       04-15-2014, 1:13 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by whiteflashwatersports1 View Post
Tige 2012 RZR before and after pics - eliminated all spray and smoothed the face nicely
Wow, that is downright impressive.
Old    Bill Amaral (soonerbilly)      Join Date: Jul 2013       04-15-2014, 2:09 PM Reply   
Think it would help much with prop wash at wakeboard speeds?
Old    Jack Moore (JMoore15)      Join Date: Sep 2012       04-15-2014, 2:10 PM Reply   
Similar results with my plate.
Old    Jack Moore (JMoore15)      Join Date: Sep 2012       04-15-2014, 2:11 PM Reply   
Similar results with my plate.
Old    Jack Moore (JMoore15)      Join Date: Sep 2012       04-15-2014, 2:44 PM Reply   
Sorry for the duplicate pics (fist time w tapatalk). Soonerbilly, not sure about the flap but here are couple before and after pics with my plate. The difference is small but it did clean up even more as I added weight and increased the speed (don't have pics of those).
Old    Bill Amaral (soonerbilly)      Join Date: Jul 2013       04-15-2014, 2:49 PM Reply   
I think i'm gonna do it fot the surf wave.....i was just curious about the wakeboard wake. Thanks for the pics.
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-15-2014, 4:03 PM Reply   
So where is this spray coming from? Just general wash or those with FAE?
Old     (whiteflashwatersports1)      Join Date: Dec 2012       04-16-2014, 7:17 AM Reply   
Our flap did not impact the wakeboard wake at all. All driving characteristics are exactly the same. No issue with forward/reverse at the ramp, etc. We do not have an FAE. All of our spray was prop wash and our swim platfrom has a lip.
Old    Jack Moore (JMoore15)      Join Date: Sep 2012       04-16-2014, 8:02 AM Reply   
No FAE. Mostly prop wash. The narrower beam Tige's (old Z1, RZR, R20) have much more wash than the wider beam boats. Not sure exactly why but looks like something to do with where the wake converges behind the boat.
Old    JS (dreamer)      Join Date: Nov 2008       04-18-2014, 4:51 PM Reply   
I'm considering adding a "duffy flap" to my enzo. I added and FAE and have lots of spray that I would like to control. How much pressure would the flap put on the swim grid brackets. Should I use a bar like the FAE or something stiffer?
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Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       04-21-2014, 7:24 PM Reply   
not that much, I have never had an issue and a few guys have installed it, I would bolt it right to the fae mount.
Old    S. R. (stingreye)      Join Date: Oct 2012       04-22-2014, 9:01 AM Reply   
I would be really curious what happens to the enzo goofy wake with a flap.
Old    Dave Diaz (wakebrdr94)      Join Date: Jul 2010       04-22-2014, 3:47 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMoore15 View Post
Similar results with my plate.

Isn't that what that big contraption under tige swimsteps are for? I thought that it was to clean up the wave
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-22-2014, 3:50 PM Reply   
You mean the trim tab? They only adjust the bow rise of the boat which does affect the wave/wake but has no further bearing on how clean it comes out.
Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       04-22-2014, 4:09 PM Reply   
I like the improvement on the spray. Has this affected the push of the surf wave at all?
Old    N L (drnate)      Join Date: Jul 2006       04-22-2014, 4:21 PM Reply   
^^^I think he was referring to the Convex VX on the newer boats
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-22-2014, 5:11 PM Reply   
^ ah yes. Forgot about that thing
Old    Jack Moore (JMoore15)      Join Date: Sep 2012       04-23-2014, 12:41 PM Reply   
I built mine prior to the release of the Convex VX. It did two things for my boat 1. cleaned the face/spray 2. Helped with the push ( you obviously can't take picture of the push but it made a noticeable difference to my crew).
Old    MICAH HARPER (MICAH_HARPER)      Join Date: Apr 2010       04-23-2014, 3:39 PM Reply   
wow. cleaned up nice
Old     (whiteflashwatersports1)      Join Date: Dec 2012       04-24-2014, 9:46 AM Reply   
Ours does not have any impact on push it just eliminates all of the spray and cleans the face nicely. Eliminating all of the spray did help with the lip on top. Ours is a 1/2" 3'x4' horse mat bought at tractor supply. I drilled holes in the swim paltform for 3/8" threadrrod and attached the mat to it with ubolts. I drilled those holes and strung it through. It has had no impact on trailering, swim platfrom etc. We are very pleased. Whole thing cost about $60 bucks and my 13 year old duaghter and I did it in about an hour. Was a great project for the two of us.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       04-25-2014, 9:50 AM Reply   
Mine didn't help the push, but it did let me run the boat more level. Meaning counter weight, which equals more push in the wave. So it sort of makes more push
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       04-29-2014, 8:25 AM Reply   
Does anyone know if surf gate with both sides weighted eliminates the spray from FAE? I just got FAE but I run a home made gate. Have not been able to get in water though
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-14-2014, 4:41 PM Reply   
Duffy, i made a flap for my Avy out of a mud flap off a semi truck, do you think I need to add weight to the bottom of it? I'ts one of those super stiff flaps, doesn't really flex that much, its aboput 3/8 thick
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-14-2014, 5:01 PM Reply   
tony I'm not duffy but I tried a semi truck flap too. It's going to flex like crazy. Water puts out a ton of force.
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-15-2014, 11:13 AM Reply   
Ya, I'm gonna try it, it actually has vertical ribs on it, which makes it super stiff, I can barely get it to bend myself. If not, I'll add some weight to it next time out. Did you just hang it? or did you bolt the top to the bracket. Mine is just hanging from my FAE bracket, so it flops but really doesnt bend.
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-15-2014, 11:15 AM Reply   
I'll post a pic when I get a chance
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-15-2014, 11:27 AM Reply   
Here's a pic
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Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-19-2014, 3:07 PM Reply   
FYI, it worked perfect, did not flex at all! Cleaned up the wave, which was already pretty clean, but now it's super clean. The ribs on the flap kept it from flexing
Old    JS (dreamer)      Join Date: Nov 2008       05-20-2014, 5:12 PM Reply   
Anthony911, does your flap rotate up parallel to the platform while under way or is it rigid mounted and stays down?
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-21-2014, 11:46 AM Reply   
JS it rotates up, it doesnt hit the swimstep though. Theres about a 7" clearance. I have it zip tied to the FAE bracket kinda snug
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       05-21-2014, 1:07 PM Reply   
I would think that letting the mat rotate would actually be better for a couple reasons:

1. You don't necessarily want the a stiff mat that is mounted in a fixed position at the top to "dig" into the wake. I could see it causing a bit of deformation to the wave and basically nullifying what the hull shape and ballast are trying to create.

2. The fixed top would put a lot of stress on the mounting points due to the water "torquing" the mat and possibly damaging whatever cross-brace it's mounted to. This is especially bad if you're mounting it to the FAE support bar.

3. Letting the mat pivot and "rest" on the water while in motion would cause less deformation to the wave shape since it's not digging in. By resting on the top face of the wave, it's doing it's job by pushing excess spray down and not causing any extra stress on parts under the platform.

I'm probably going to give this a try myself on my RZ4. I was debating on buying the Convex VX since my boat doesn't have it, but for the cost I think this worth a shot first. I think the only extra perk the VX has is it creates a slightly longer wave face and extends the pocket. I'm not a world class surfer and haven't really attempted to throw any sort of big tricks (plus I'm old), so I think this will be fine for the skill level of me and my friends.

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Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       05-21-2014, 2:54 PM Reply   
If you want it to work great, then rigid and stiff, the force of water will make it not deform the wave. Stiff and rigid I can still bend it by hand, so it wouldn't hurt the swim step or the fae mount.
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-21-2014, 4:43 PM Reply   
Duffy, I'm going out tomorrow, and will snap some pics. I would like to hear your opinion on how you think its working for me..... This flap with the ribs, is super stiff, I cannot bend it by hand at all, well maybe a inch.....
Old    Bradleigh (wallis_tho)      Join Date: May 2014       05-22-2014, 4:21 AM Reply   
im curious as to know if this will help remove the roster tail caused by our boat at slalom ski speeds? anyone tried it at these kinds of speeds?
Old    FENCE SENCE (fence_sence)      Join Date: Jul 2008       05-22-2014, 8:28 AM Reply   
That's a good question, Brad. I'd like to find out.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       05-22-2014, 9:41 AM Reply   
Mine has less rooster tail at all times. I could see ski boats using it as well. Super super stiff sounds fun. As long as the swim deck can handle it, it handles 2-3 big dudes which is a lot of weight!
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       05-22-2014, 10:57 AM Reply   
Are you guys supporting these mats from the FAE support? I want to make one of these, I get terrible spray with mine.
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-23-2014, 10:43 AM Reply   
mine is supported by the FAE bracket support
Old     (whiteflashwatersports1)      Join Date: Dec 2012       05-23-2014, 12:17 PM Reply   
See my earlier post for pics

Mine is supported by a 3/8" threaded rod that I tapped holes in the platform brackets for. It is very stiff as it is 3/4" horse stall mat but it rotates up and floats on top just below the platform.
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       05-23-2014, 3:27 PM Reply   
Here's a pic from yesterday, withe the wave flap as is, zip tied to the FAE bracket, no weights
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Old     (packrat)      Join Date: Mar 2005       05-24-2014, 9:30 AM Reply   
Now that's a wave!
Old    Bobby (TigeRZRCO)      Join Date: Aug 2013       05-24-2014, 10:20 PM Reply   
Here's my install on my surf flap. I have trimmed it since these pictures were taken. The bottom flat part of the mat stayed the same but I trimmed it from the flat part to where the transom starts on the outsides. The mat works great for cleaning up the face and knocking down the spray. The ubolts are tight and the rod rotates in the bracket holes. I used a waterproof non corossive tape so there's no metal on metal. I'll post some video of the wave when i get it off the camera.

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