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Old    Tony Remund (TRey19)      Join Date: Sep 2013       04-23-2014, 8:26 PM Reply   
I have been looking for boats and i've narrowed it down to 5. All used

a 2007 Malibu Wakesetter vtx

a 2005 Mastercraft x-star

a 2006 Nautique SV211

a 2001 Super Air Nautique

and a 2007 Supra Launch 22 SSV

We want a nice roomy boat, but we want it to have a really good wakeboard wake, and we would like to be able to surf without the rope. Which do you all think provides the best results for us. Just assume they all are the same price and have the same ballast systems.

Any info is appreciated as I don't know much.
Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       04-23-2014, 8:55 PM Reply   
IMO x-star all the way
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-23-2014, 9:01 PM Reply   
those are all pretty Meh/bad/unimpressive surf boats. Xstar has best wakeboard wake by a mile.
Old    Tony Remund (TRey19)      Join Date: Sep 2013       04-24-2014, 7:29 AM Reply   
would I be able to surf them, once they are properly weighted?
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       04-24-2014, 7:31 AM Reply   
Isn't that generation of xstar a notoriously bad surf boats I mean like virtually impossible?
Old    Ron (Nordicron)      Join Date: Aug 2011       04-24-2014, 8:06 AM Reply   
Seems to me from your expectations(roomy,good wake, rope less surf)the Supra might be the best fit.

While the star is a great wakeboard wake it's surf isn't as good and it's a pretty small seating layout in the cabin.
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       04-24-2014, 9:00 AM Reply   
I'd go with the 211.
Old    FENCE SENCE (fence_sence)      Join Date: Jul 2008       04-24-2014, 11:25 AM Reply   
I'd go with the Supra. The rest of those are fairly crappy surf boats.

No Tige 22v/ve? The surf wakes are basically automatic and can be world class with some basic mods. The wakeboard wakes can be dialed in pretty respectably. Certainly good enough to go out and break yourself in half. While the interior isn't anything to write home about, they are pretty roomy and comfortable.
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-24-2014, 11:41 AM Reply   
You can set up a VTX to surf pretty damn well if you know how
Old    FENCE SENCE (fence_sence)      Join Date: Jul 2008       04-24-2014, 11:57 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjh1669 View Post
You can set up a VTX to surf pretty damn well if you know how
That's certainly better than most I've seen. Nice work.
Old    Tim (Tims)      Join Date: Feb 2014       04-24-2014, 1:16 PM Reply   
I think the Supra probably would fit your needs the best. It has good room in the cabin out of boats on the list, good wakeboard wake over 21mph, and can be easily set up to make a good surf wave. All the rest of the boats fall short on at least one out of the 3 requirements you have.
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       04-24-2014, 2:05 PM Reply   
I'd second the supra. You can get a great wakeboard wake out of the xstar, but the surf wave is meh. You can get a good wakeboard and surf wave out of the VTX, but lacks room. The san 210 has a great wakeboard wake, good surf wake, but lacks room. Don't know much about the 211
Old    Tony Remund (TRey19)      Join Date: Sep 2013       04-24-2014, 8:33 PM Reply   
how about this one. 2004 Tige 22v
http://brainerd.craigslist.org/boa/4404637026.html
Old    Tony Remund (TRey19)      Join Date: Sep 2013       04-25-2014, 8:09 AM Reply   
the wakesetter also has the power wedge, if that makes a difference on opinion. All of them have upgraded ballast.
Old    Tom (laptom)      Join Date: Apr 2002       04-27-2014, 11:59 PM Reply   
I second cjh. X star great wakeboard wake with weight. Surf wake & interior is lacking. 211 is a crossover: intermediate wakeboarden wake, slightly better surf wake, strange interior layout. 210 has a very good wakeboarding wake and pretty good surf wake, interior on the small side. Vtx has a good wakeboard wake and intermediate surf wake, lacking on interior. Supra does everything pretty good on those 3 aspects.
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       04-28-2014, 7:36 AM Reply   
That Tige would actually be a pretty good choice, especially if it's as clean as the owner makes it out to be, but I'd try to get the price down a bit. Nearly $34k is steep for that one, and you can buy a brand new Tige R20 for not much more than that.
Old     (WakeDirt)      Join Date: Jun 2011       04-28-2014, 9:01 AM Reply   
I'll be "that guy", if you're looking towards a boat that surfs...well, and can wakeboard, have you thought about an Avalanche or a 21' MB Tomcat?
Old    Mason Obray (MCObray)      Join Date: Mar 2013       04-28-2014, 11:57 AM Reply   
We just surf our '07 VTX. If you want ballast stats, I can get you those. Ill second the notion that the VTX can put out a good surf wave when weighted correctly.
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Old    Tony Remund (TRey19)      Join Date: Sep 2013       04-29-2014, 1:09 PM Reply   
Thanks all of this information helps. Discussing with the family, the interior is not a huge issue as long as we can fit about 8 people in there, which sounds like all of these boats can. We aren't looking for an amazing surf wave as we will be just learning, we are just looking for a wave that will be the easiest to set up and ride. We are trying to focus on our wakeboard progression, so as long as the wake can get big enough to progress from an alright rider to a good rider. So in the easiest way possible to list criteria it is:

1. Good Wakeboard wake
2. Surfable wave, without straining ourselves too much to find the perfect ballast combo
3. can fit 8 people
Old    FENCE SENCE (fence_sence)      Join Date: Jul 2008       04-29-2014, 3:16 PM Reply   
^^^ Tige 22ve.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       04-29-2014, 4:06 PM Reply   
I would say any of those boat, with the exception of the 22SSV, is going to be pretty snug with 8 adults. Most of them downright tight with 8 people.
Old    Josh M (dvsone79)      Join Date: Dec 2012       04-29-2014, 5:34 PM Reply   
If your #1 priority is wakeboard but still want a surf wake that has push then I would lean toward the Super Air. That hull throws a wakeboard wake that hasn't been beat until the G23, imo. And I'm a MC guy. But if I could have found a SAN for the right price when I was looking I would have gotten it. My 205v throws a big clean wake. Right on part with the SAN. But the surf wake behind mine isn't even close to what my buddy's '04 SANTE puts out.
Old    Daryl Hall (flintwake)      Join Date: Mar 2013       04-30-2014, 7:15 PM Reply   
I'm pretty sure the 2003 and 2001 are the same hull. Anyway...I'd say this is pretty surfable. But I mean some people would like it bigger? This is 2 people in the boat and 650 in the back and another 400 behind the driver. 9.8MPH with the acme power prop..I can't remember the number on it but it's the really popular one. With 650 on each side of the motor and 600-700 in the nose this wake is ridiculous as 22.5MPH for wake boarding.
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