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Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:33 AM Reply   
Here's a few pics from the Denver Boat Show. Can't believe how expensive these boats are getting. Cheapest wakeboard boat at the show (that I saw) was $57k and that was a Supreme 226.

Malibu's offerings - REALLY liked the new LSV. I have never ever liked any of Malibu's boats as far as external styling goes and this one finally appealed to me (and my wife). Definitely a sharp looking boat.
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Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:34 AM Reply   
Lsv
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Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:35 AM Reply   
MB and Supra World's
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Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:37 AM Reply   
Another Malibu and my favorite boat, the X46 ($133k). Sorry, didn't get pics of every invoice and it wasn't intentional, just ran out of time.
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Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:40 AM Reply   
Everyone on WW's favorite boat, the Tige ASR . Priced at $124,995 with boatmate trailer, 555hp engine, Wetsounds 808 audio. And to answer the next question, no there was not a G23 there to compare it to.
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Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:41 AM Reply   
Some Colorado Tige love.
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Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:43 AM Reply   
More Tige's. Everyone likes to rip on Tige for their pricing but for the record, you can get a loaded up Z3 for less than an Axis A24. Hmmm....who's over priced?
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Old    MICAH HARPER (MICAH_HARPER)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-13-2014, 10:50 AM Reply   
man.....prices are insane.

all of these boats cost more than i payed for my house.....lol
Old    MICAH HARPER (MICAH_HARPER)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-13-2014, 10:50 AM Reply   
do you think the industry will ever price itself out of business
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 10:57 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by MICAH_HARPER View Post
do you think the industry will ever price itself out of business
They have priced me out of buying new, I know that! Sad day when I looked at the leftover 2013 RZ2 and thought, wow, what a bargain!
Old    Patrick Castro (patrick232)      Join Date: Aug 2008       01-13-2014, 11:14 AM Reply   
over 20% off on the Tige and less than 5% on the Axis
Old    Rayprisz (priszkid)      Join Date: Aug 2007       01-13-2014, 11:18 AM Reply   
thanks for the share Timmy! great pics
Old    Bryan James (bjames)      Join Date: May 2012       01-13-2014, 11:24 AM Reply   
$83K for an Axis... Holy cow, here have I been lately?
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 11:24 AM Reply   
I found something that I liked about every single boat there. Everybody has their own take on seating, vinyl colors and design, gelcoat colors, graphics, sound and engines, etc. It's really a lot of fun to just jump in them and see the differences.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 11:25 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by bjames View Post
$83K for an Axis... Holy cow, here have I been lately?
Look again, it's almost $86k with dealer prep and freight! Oh, and it still has plastic cupholders...
Old    Miguel (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006       01-13-2014, 11:36 AM Reply   
those prices are LUDICROUS.
86 for an Axis...please
Old    August (augie_09)      Join Date: Mar 2011       01-13-2014, 11:49 AM Reply   
I haven't spent time online looking at interior pics of the asr, but 2 questions.

Is it the camera angle or does the sun pad walk through area look like it's a foot deep? I thought it would be a cushion you flip over that has grip on the back for stepping, but this looks deep 6" deeper than the cushions on left and right. crazy how deep the hull is in new boats to pull that off with engine under it.

Again, could be camera angle, does the transom walkthrough have a metal edge going across it the hight of the seat cushions? Guessing that opens up to a cooler or garbage or access storage? The metal edge looks like a shin splitter and small kid head basher.


Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 11:55 AM Reply   
All camera angle/cell phone pic issues. The the vinyl on the sun pad is creating a weird effect there making it look like it's that deep. No metal edges, the vinyl just looks like metal due to the metallic finish on it. Then in the bow area, that spot that says Tige in the seadek is raised and has a full size igloo cooler in it.
Old    Bill Amaral (soonerbilly)      Join Date: Jul 2013       01-13-2014, 11:57 AM Reply   
The drop from that walkthrough to the platform on the ASR is quite a drop too. The ASR and G series are crazy deep. Makes for a ton of storage though. I mentioned in another post that my 6 foot tall son could sit in the passenger storage lockers with room to move around in. Even in the G21....wish i had that kind of room.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 12:02 PM Reply   
You are right. Short people may not like the ASR's transom, it's quite a step from the sun pad to the swim platform.
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       01-13-2014, 12:26 PM Reply   
Prices are stupid crazy!!!!! Looks like Supreme 226, is the best bargain on the market! Keeps the value of my old boat from depreciating to rapidly!!
Old    Harold Hemming (h20king)      Join Date: Dec 2009       01-13-2014, 12:39 PM Reply   
What was included on the 226 for 57k bout 8k goofy more here
Old    Harold Hemming (h20king)      Join Date: Dec 2009       01-13-2014, 12:39 PM Reply   
Stupid phone
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 12:48 PM Reply   
So that Supreme was a weird deal, they showed the price as $57k but the one they had on the floor was actually $69k (maybe it was $67k) because it had the bigger engine and a blinged out trailer or something.
Old     (whiteflashwatersports1)      Join Date: Dec 2012       01-13-2014, 12:58 PM Reply   
These prices are insane. We use our boat year round here in Florida and I would never pay that much. I cant imagine paying that much for something that I have to winterize every year and only get to enjoy part of the year. These boat builders are crazy!!!
Old    Darrin (Cabledog)      Join Date: Dec 2013       01-13-2014, 12:59 PM Reply   
My 2014 V226 was more than 57K too h20king. Had about 5K of stereo added too so thats a factor. One day following these forums and I think I got the best deal ever and the next I'm WTF I paid more than that. Chances are for 57K its a leftover 13 thats been floored all summer but it would be good to know.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       01-13-2014, 1:06 PM Reply   
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So that Supreme was a weird deal, they showed the price as $57k but the one they had on the floor was actually $69k (maybe it was $67k) because it had the bigger engine and a blinged out trailer or something.
haha, I actually talked with Mike Brendel about this exact situation Saturday at the boat show. The old you can buy this boat for as low as 39,995 but optioned with the stuff that actually makes it usable and the way it is sitting right here it is 55k.

Buyers are smarter than that I think.

The boats look nice. 85k for an Axis does sound crazy although it looks like it is for an A24 with a 10k engine upgrade, big stereo and surfgate.
Old    Miguel (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006       01-13-2014, 4:03 PM Reply   
115K for a Supra?!?!?!
GTFOH
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2014, 4:10 PM Reply   
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115K for a Supra?!?!?!
GTFOH
If it had the 555hp motor, I'm guessing it would be the same price as the ASR.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       01-13-2014, 4:16 PM Reply   
Well every brand has to have a boat well into 6 digits or they feel left out!! if they are selling them why not?? I just can't believe people are buying them!!
Old    Clayton Gilliland (cgilliland)      Join Date: Dec 2013       01-13-2014, 4:29 PM Reply   
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115K for a Supra?!?!?!
GTFOH
yea but what I have found is that Supra has more options included. once you build the others up to what is included in the supra (motor, etc.) they are a good value

that's just one guys experience. I wanted a VLX but after I built it up it was a lot higher than I expected, and to be honest I got tired of analyzing the options. Supra just loads it from the start (especially the worlds). they only have like 3 options, heater, z-5, all else is included
Old    Jay Wedsted (jbird)      Join Date: Jun 2011       01-13-2014, 4:35 PM Reply   
Thanks for the pics! I don't need to go to our local boat show now! The $$'s are stupid!
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       01-13-2014, 9:20 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
haha, I actually talked with Mike Brendel about this exact situation Saturday at the boat show. The old you can buy this boat for as low as 39,995 but optioned with the stuff that actually makes it usable and the way it is sitting right here it is 55k.

Buyers are smarter than that I think.

The boats look nice. 85k for an Axis does sound crazy although it looks like it is for an A24 with a 10k engine upgrade, big stereo and surfgate.
Sorry but I can't figure out what you are saying MB said to you, without a motor and seats 39,995 ?
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       01-13-2014, 9:44 PM Reply   
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Sorry but I can't figure out what you are saying MB said to you, without a motor and seats 39,995 ?
Sorry for the confusion. I am not sure I made much sense there. We were just talking about the situation where a dealer(any dealer or manufacturer) shows a price at the boat show of something like 39,999(2006 X1 is a prime example) but then if you actually price out the nice looking, loaded one they have at the boat show it is 55k. I am not referencing MB boats, just the idea of trying to trick buyers into thinking you can get the boat for one price that doesn't include all the things on the boat that the sign is sitting right next to.

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Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       01-13-2014, 10:22 PM Reply   
2013 Z3 vs 2014 A24? I'm not saying what should be priced more, but it's not apples to apples years wise...
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       01-14-2014, 6:35 AM Reply   
Yeah Brett, a lot of that sort of thing goes on with outboards and inboard/outboards. A dealer that I partnered up with had poles with something like $299 per mo. $26,995 ( diff on every boat) on them way up high over each boat at the shows, they showed every boat on a trailer, but the actual price on that (per say) boat was like $29,995 because of the options and the real kick in the teeth was PLUS $2,950 or something for a single axle non painted trailer, these are fishing boats etc. I absolutely hated it ! Most were under powered also and they would say "hey I never caught a single fish going 50".
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       01-14-2014, 7:25 AM Reply   
What sort of mark up are on these things? They just take 30k off the price as a special?
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-14-2014, 8:10 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 View Post
2013 Z3 vs 2014 A24? I'm not saying what should be priced more, but it's not apples to apples years wise...
On that Z3, if it had been ordered 1 week later, it would be a '14. I know, doesn't matter, still a '13. It does have a PCM and then the next week is when they started putting Indmar in. The dealer was like when he found out that it was a '13 instead of a '14. Someone got a great deal on it (it sold at the show).
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       01-14-2014, 5:40 PM Reply   
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What sort of mark up are on these things? They just take 30k off the price as a special?
I am not sure what the normal margin is on the boats and I am not really sure it matters. As for normal pricing on the lot or at the show it all depends on time of year, location, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if on "average" most new wakebaord boats are listed for around 10-15% off MSRP on the lot and at the boat show you may get another 5-10% off or so. I could easily be wrong on that and again a lot depends on location. If you go to a high overhead area where there are tons of really, really rich people they may list and sell at close to MSRP(this is basically what most dealers in the Seattle area seem to be) or if you go to somewhere with really low overhead and more working class people you might see 10-20% off MSRP. In the end what matters is the buyer feels like they got the boat they want at the price they were willing to pay.
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-14-2014, 6:15 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by timmyb View Post
On that Z3, if it had been ordered 1 week later, it would be a '14. I know, doesn't matter, still a '13. It does have a PCM and then the next week is when they started putting Indmar in. The dealer was like when he found out that it was a '13 instead of a '14. Someone got a great deal on it (it sold at the show).
What engine was in the Z3?
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-14-2014, 6:17 PM Reply   
It's not the deal you got. It's the deal you think you got!!! LOL Happens all the time.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-14-2014, 6:20 PM Reply   
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What engine was in the Z3?
I would guess the 409 in Colorado. As the 343 would be a little underpowered at that elevation in a 23'9" boat.
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-14-2014, 6:24 PM Reply   
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I would guess the 409 in Colorado. As the 343 would be a little underpowered at that elevation in a 23'9" boat.
So in engine alone there is a serious price difference. The a24 had a ls3. So the A24 is a '14, bigger, more options, and an up graded engine over the z3, but only 2k more. Sounds like the z3 was over priced
Old    Bruizza (bruizza)      Join Date: May 2009       01-14-2014, 6:37 PM Reply   
Considering the 14 Z3 was about 10k more than that 13 Z3 I wouldn't say the 13 Z3 was over priced. The Z3 is a much nicer boat than an Axis.
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-14-2014, 6:40 PM Reply   
Than the a22 yes, but I disagree on the a24. On top of that it doesn't have surf gate, and ascetically that a24 blew away the z3. That's not even getting into the a24 wake performance over the z3
Old    Bruizza (bruizza)      Join Date: May 2009       01-14-2014, 6:42 PM Reply   
You are allowed to disagree. I disagree with all the stuff you just said.
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-14-2014, 6:43 PM Reply   
I don't buy that, I've heard you say different
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-14-2014, 6:46 PM Reply   
Opinions on boats are just like cars. We could discuss this all day and still not agree. It's best to agree to disagree.
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       01-14-2014, 6:52 PM Reply   
I think Axis look cheap, feel cheap, and smell cheap. Would never own one. I'd rather have a used boat than a brand new axis, just for the sake of having a new boat.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-14-2014, 8:08 PM Reply   
The Z3 is really like 23'10" or something so just 2" shorter and 140 lbs heavier. Since that Z3 had the 409, the LS3 would probably be about a $3,500 to $5k upgrade. Only reason it's $10k on the Axis is because the 330hp is standard instead of the 350hp like the Z3. If you like the Axis better, more power to you. Axis is Malibu's cheap brand because they give you plastic panels vs vinyl covered, plastic dash vs vinyl wrapped, plastic cupholders, basic upholstery designs (those extra panels and stitching save labor costs), no Maliview, no billet, a basic tower and half a windshield.

Not knocking the Axis line, they are selling them and if you buy an A24 in the $70k range, that's a great value. Based on the used 24 MXZ's that I am seeing out there, I think it would be much smarter to buy a leftover MXZ or a 1 model year used for almost the same money as this loaded up one and in the long run, the MXZ is going to be a better value than a loaded up A24. Just my own opinion.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-14-2014, 8:10 PM Reply   
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I don't buy that, I've heard you say different
Funny that you say that to him considering the Axis in there family has been replaced by MB and Tige!
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 9:20 PM Reply   
I assure you that you can have just as much fun in an old boat. I've got 14 grand in mine. Paid for. Use it 200 hours a year all year long. It's a 90 with a 2011 Stroker that I put in it. Most people seeing think it's new.

Boat prices are reflecting the run up in housing prices, easily available credit , everybody better buy now because they going up up up so hurry and buy. Market will reach satuation and then a crash.

Everybody knows none of them are WORTH more than 30,40K or so.
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 9:24 PM Reply   
Apparently the boating industry has subscribed fully to the old saying There's a sucker born every minute.
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       01-14-2014, 9:33 PM Reply   
A sucker is the guy with 14k in a boat from 1990
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       01-14-2014, 9:52 PM Reply   
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A sucker is the guy with 14k in a boat from 1990
How so? Some of the new 100k boats lose almost 14k in value every year.
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       01-14-2014, 9:55 PM Reply   
14k in a boat that is from 1990?

Let me repeat it once more. Fourteen thousand US dollars into a boat from the year 1990.

That seems like a good deal? I think not
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       01-14-2014, 9:56 PM Reply   
That's way too deep to be into a boat like that.
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 10:36 PM Reply   
Those new boats lose more than 14 k when you tow it away from the dealer.
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 10:48 PM Reply   
And.....it's a Closed Bow!!! What I put together is equal to the same model in 2014 costing 50k+.....I got same wake and 50mph. No plans to sell ever. Works for me.
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 10:50 PM Reply   
Oh and I did get about 2 grand for the old 350.
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 10:55 PM Reply   
It really only works when you use a quality built Sanger... Others would be rotten and worn out...I still have original interior. LOL. No body is building with that quality today.
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       01-14-2014, 10:58 PM Reply   
Ill consider my 05 v215 sanger that I bought for 18k with 160hrs a golden deal then I suppose.
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 11:00 PM Reply   
Plus I can let chicks drive it and if they bump the dock it ain't no big thang
Old    Hey, You scratched my anchor! (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-14-2014, 11:02 PM Reply   
I'd say so JM.

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