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Old    Aaron Leonard (biglen13)      Join Date: Jan 2014       01-07-2014, 8:45 AM Reply   
We are looking for a good all around wakeboard/surf/ski boat. We have owned a chaparral for a long time but are wanting to trade. I know a lot about the inboard/outboard boats but not a lot about the wake board boats. We are looking to stay under 60k. We want at least a 22 Ft boat and one that is a good all around boat. I don't want anything fancy but would like to know what boats do best in rough water like lake powell. I've been in my buddies 21 ft 08 malibu and it wasn't too bad but would prefer the 23 foot.

I have been really interested in the MB brand because they are simple and i feel like i am not spending a lot of money on stuff i don't need. Also are the Moomba's/supra's a good boat? I have only been in a 08 malibu, 08 tige, and a newer mb. I felt the interior of the Tige was cheap as it was already tearing and seemed paper thin and the malibu seemed like a good all around boat.

Thanks
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-07-2014, 8:50 AM Reply   
Axis, MB, Tige, Moomba are going to be what you can get under $60k.

What dealers are nearby you?

If you like Malibu, then the Axis might be a good choice. In '13 they got a big vinyl upgrade. They, like the MB, don't have a lot of bells and whistles, but everything you need to have great days on the water.

Last edited by boardjnky4; 01-07-2014 at 8:52 AM.
Old    Harold Hemming (h20king)      Join Date: Dec 2009       01-07-2014, 9:11 AM Reply   
I have a loaded 08 centurion falcon v for sale for 42k don't think you can find a more loaded boat for less $$ let me know if you want more details
Old    Supreme Device (rullery)      Join Date: Jul 2012       01-07-2014, 9:23 AM Reply   
Axis and Malibu are NOT the best choices if you are concerned with rough water performance. Look at boats with a deep V if this is a main concern. MB, and Moomba Mojo comes to mind.
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-07-2014, 9:38 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by rullery View Post
Axis and Malibu are NOT the best choices if you are concerned with rough water performance. Look at boats with a deep V if this is a main concern. MB, and Moomba Mojo comes to mind.
They do fine at powell though.
Old    Chris Dirty (Dmac420sj)      Join Date: Mar 2012       01-07-2014, 9:38 AM Reply   
Sanger should be on your list.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       01-07-2014, 9:55 AM Reply   
If your talking brand new your going to have a tough time in any 22 footer for 60K OTD.

Brands mentioned above may be a starting point.
Tige your looking RZ2 to be 22 feet. No way under 60K
Axis A22 to be 22 feet. Maybe stripped down 60K
Moomba you looking at the Mojo again maybe stripped under 60K
Not sure on the Sanger or MB as they don't sell in my area.

Unfortunately in the new market at 60K you are in the 20 foot range and the cheaper 20 footers at that. I can't think of a 22 you can touch, especially if you are talking Tax title and license out the door.

If rough water ride is important you need to be looking at something with a deep V all the way through and probably want to avoid the Pickle Fork bows and stay with a traditional V.
Old    Rusty Beckner (rbeckner27)      Join Date: Oct 2013       01-07-2014, 10:43 AM Reply   
Just talked with a dealer about a supreme v226 and you might be able to get that down to 60k stripped down. It has the deeper v design and is known to be a good surf boat.
Old    Mike North Carolina (MIKEnNC)      Join Date: Nov 2012       01-07-2014, 10:58 AM Reply   
i would say axis a22 2013-14 or Malibu lsv 2010-2012 for that price or close too, also nautique 210 and 230 should be considered,,,,, I think those are all great choices and great boats
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-07-2014, 11:06 AM Reply   
Oh, I almost forgot about Centurion. You might be able to get an Avalanche in that price range.

Last edited by boardjnky4; 01-07-2014 at 11:09 AM.
Old    Phatboypimp (phatboypimp)      Join Date: Apr 2005       01-07-2014, 11:49 AM Reply   
I would think that based on what you are describing that you don't need $60K if you are open to a used boat. Two years ago I bought 08 Xstar for $65K with 170 hours. After buying used I will never buy new again.
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-07-2014, 11:50 AM Reply   
Take a look at this video, I linked it to start at a specific time during which hull design and ride comfort is discussed. Since you mentioned ride comfort in chop, I think it's relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...c1Fw0NKQ#t=132

This in no way means I'm pushing you towards a mastercraft, just that I don't think the Deep V is THAT much better in chop than a shallower hull.

Last edited by boardjnky4; 01-07-2014 at 11:53 AM.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       01-07-2014, 11:52 AM Reply   
If you truly want to slalom then you should get a Malibu VTX with surf gate. You'll be over 60 but you will be able to do everything you desire...
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-07-2014, 11:54 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 View Post
If you truly want to slalom then you should get a Malibu VTX with surf gate. You'll be over 60 but you will be able to do everything you desire...
If that's the case, then the A20 with surfgate should be chosen, since it keeps him within budget and it's a VERY similar hull.
Old    Aaron Leonard (biglen13)      Join Date: Jan 2014       01-07-2014, 12:44 PM Reply   
Thanks for all the info. I am leaning towards used o get more options. I've heard good things about the centurions and love the looks of the nautiques. this might be a dumb question but does the size of thw boat make better wakes and better ride? Thanks again guys.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       01-07-2014, 12:48 PM Reply   
Thats a tough question to answer, but typically yes. But it depends on the individual hull.
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-07-2014, 12:50 PM Reply   
A bigger boat will throw a bigger wake just by virtue of size, weight and, ultimately, displacement.

If you're going used, at $60k you have A LOT of options.
Old    Darrin (Cabledog)      Join Date: Dec 2013       01-07-2014, 1:24 PM Reply   
Supreme v226 is a 22 1/2 ft boat. Deep Vee is good in the chop and should be able to get at 60K new.
Old    Ian Gordon (16igordon)      Join Date: Jun 2013       01-07-2014, 1:46 PM Reply   
At 60k, I would definitely look used. You could probably get an Axis or Moomba new for that price point, but you would get a much nicer boat that is maybe a few years old. At 60k you could definitely get a 23LSV barely used and probably a Nautique 230. But if you are persistant with new, I would take a look at the Moomba Mondo- I got quoted around 50k for one and was very impressed with it in person.
Old    Zach Gibbs (gibbs114)      Join Date: Oct 2013       01-07-2014, 3:17 PM Reply   
I have my 2011 Axis for Sale if you are interested in a used Axis.
Old    Brain Rinse (brainrinse)      Join Date: Aug 2007       01-07-2014, 5:23 PM Reply   
Like others said take a look at the Moomba Mojo and the LSV too.
Old    Don Christman (ktm525)      Join Date: Mar 2009       01-07-2014, 5:46 PM Reply   
MB hands down for the win. Here is a link to pictures of our 23wb.
http://dcphotomania.smugmug.com/Wate...s/2014-MB-23wb
Old    Rusty Beckner (rbeckner27)      Join Date: Oct 2013       01-07-2014, 6:05 PM Reply   
Is it really reasonable to think you can get a b52 23 for 60k? When I looked last September I couldn't even get a left over mb for that price even with it being my first choice.
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       01-07-2014, 6:12 PM Reply   
If it's new, a Moomba mojo or Axis A22.

If it is used Id look at a Malibu 23LSV.
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       01-07-2014, 7:23 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by rbeckner27 View Post
Is it really reasonable to think you can get a b52 23 for 60k? When I looked last September I couldn't even get a left over mb for that price even with it being my first choice.
depends on the options on it Rusty and some time has passed
Old    Todd (antoddio)      Join Date: Dec 2006       01-07-2014, 7:51 PM Reply   
Supreme V226 or V232 should be on your list. Solid boats that have a great surf wake a good wakeboarding wake. Both with a very deep V that will handle chop better than about any inboard. Def should be able to get a V232 in your price range.
Old    Nikolas Dramountanis (Greeko)      Join Date: May 2013       01-07-2014, 8:18 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktm525 View Post
MB hands down for the win. Here is a link to pictures of our 23wb.
http://dcphotomania.smugmug.com/Wate...s/2014-MB-23wb
I'm with Don on this one. I love my 2012 f21 tomcat...

Check out www.mbboatowners.com

Bang for buck they can't be beat!
Old    Scotty (scottywcp)      Join Date: Aug 2013       01-08-2014, 10:40 AM Reply   
Seen a few brand new Calabrias for around 48,000
Old    Bill Amaral (soonerbilly)      Join Date: Jul 2013       01-08-2014, 10:45 AM Reply   
New calabria's......Where?
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       01-08-2014, 12:07 PM Reply   
I thought they went under a few years ago??? Since 09 by looking at their website still online.
Old    Scotty (scottywcp)      Join Date: Aug 2013       01-08-2014, 12:16 PM Reply   
they have not updated the site, but I saw a new calabria, with a reverse tower in Colorado. '13 bout 6months ago
Old    Scotty (scottywcp)      Join Date: Aug 2013       01-08-2014, 12:17 PM Reply   
I also don't live too far from the factory, and when I drive down the highway, they are open. Seen a few boats out there lately, so who knows.
Old    Mike North Carolina (MIKEnNC)      Join Date: Nov 2012       01-08-2014, 6:30 PM Reply   
If it was me it would be 230, lsv, or a22 on my short list for used

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