Articles
   
       
       
Pics/Video
   
       
       
Shop
Search
 
 
 
 
 
Home   Articles   Pics/Video   Gear   Wake 101   Events   Community   Forums   Classifieds   Contests   Shop   Search
WAKE WORLD HOME
Email Password
Go Back   WakeWorld > Boats, Accessories & Tow Vehicles

Share 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-09-2013, 7:29 PM Reply   
what have you heard for 2014??

i have heard at least one big one from tige including a new RZ2 with enhanced focus on wakeboarding that i wasn't supposed to break but someone on the owners board posted it.

and at least 2 major announcements from nautique that i don't have permission to break yet...
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       06-09-2013, 8:05 PM Reply   
So Nautique will unveil the G21? What else... only logical thought is that they attempt to enter the budget wake market?
Old    DC (durty_curt)      Join Date: Apr 2008       06-09-2013, 9:20 PM Reply   
New Hulls For The 210 230 And pretty Much Both Will Be redesigned. Best Of All, No More Hydro Gate!
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       06-09-2013, 9:24 PM Reply   
X-46 is about to be released by MC. Replacement for the X45. Sounds like it will be a sweet boat.
Old    Alex Yermolenko (alexair)      Join Date: Oct 2008       06-09-2013, 11:13 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by durty_curt View Post
New Hulls For The 210 230 And pretty Much Both Will Be redesigned. Best Of All, No More Hydro Gate!
They opened own eyes and saw how gates not works - unbelievable!
Old    Matthew Smith (LKASurfing)      Join Date: Nov 2011       06-10-2013, 4:57 AM Reply   
Centurion FX44 with Rapid fill Ballast....complete surf ballast, with no pumps or bags!, all hard tanks! Fill in 1.5 minutes!!!
Old    Ron (Nordicron)      Join Date: Aug 2011       06-10-2013, 5:08 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexair View Post
They opened own eyes and saw how gates not works - unbelievable!

Not sure if you have any first hand experience but the gates do work. I can absolutely tell from the shape of the wake what position the gate is in while behind my boat. You can also feel the back of the boat move when you adjust the gate.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       06-10-2013, 5:49 AM Reply   
Feel sorry for all those who bought 230's this year. Resale may not be as good as it has been in the past.

Big things coming from Axis this year.
Old    William Burell (williamburell)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-10-2013, 5:55 AM Reply   
Mastercraft is coming out with a econo line using the 205v hull. They will use analog gauges, plug n play ballast, removable carpet, simple 2 tone gel designs, and is expected to run 50-56 out the door.........


Boat will be called the X-you miss
Old    Chris Dirty (Dmac420sj)      Join Date: Mar 2012       06-10-2013, 6:30 AM Reply   
Hey chatt how come every time I see a axis thread it makes me wanna sling my v210 and buy one?
Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       06-10-2013, 8:00 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by williamburell View Post
Mastercraft is coming out with a econo line using the 205v hull. They will use analog gauges, plug n play ballast, removable carpet, simple 2 tone gel designs, and is expected to run 50-56 out the door.........


Boat will be called the X-you miss
LOL!

I think the 205V is done forever, but I have heard a few times about an econo-replacement. Time will tell...

X46 is about to be released, and the new ProStar is finally on its way... (Longer wait than the new Xstar for those that don't ski)

Looking forward to seeing the new stuff from Nautique.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       06-10-2013, 8:58 AM Reply   
Chris,

They are great boats. I'm sure you're v210 is awesome as well. I wouldn't blame you for wanting to swap for an A22 though. The wake is really nice!
Old    William Burell (williamburell)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-10-2013, 9:02 AM Reply   
Quote:
I think the 205V is done forever, but I have heard a few times about an econo-replacement. Time will tell...

X46 is about to be released, and the new ProStar is finally on its way... (Longer wait than the new Xstar for those that don't ski)

Looking forward to seeing the new stuff from Nautique.
I know but thinking about a new 205 gets me jittery. Pretty sure any rumors about the econo line are just that. Everyone I have talked to says its not going to happen. The new prostar is far overdue but in reality those are well designed boats that just need a few tweaks. Hopefully they don't get too cute with it.
Old    Will Ellis (SESanger)      Join Date: Apr 2013       06-10-2013, 7:14 PM Reply   
Some new stuff coming from Sanger for 2014 as well, but not letting any details out just yet.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-10-2013, 7:18 PM Reply   
Axis needs to get back to its price point roots at least here in my area.

I think nautique is going to shake the 22+ ft boat market to the core...
Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-10-2013, 7:29 PM Reply   
Chatt...A24??
Old    Dirk Walden (wakewoody)      Join Date: Sep 2010       06-10-2013, 7:43 PM Reply   
I have been told that the Malibu LSV is going to get a big makeover, and a 24 non pickle fork axis!
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-10-2013, 8:10 PM Reply   
Be super nice to see something new from Sanger
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       06-10-2013, 8:11 PM Reply   
Nothing from the Supra camp???? I heard they were doing their 2014 photo shoot this past week.....
Old    Mase (superair502)      Join Date: Mar 2010       06-10-2013, 8:24 PM Reply   
Someone posted on axis forums the possibility of an a24
Old    Rex Lex (rexlex01)      Join Date: Mar 2010       06-10-2013, 10:37 PM Reply   
http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

http://www.wake.co.nz/features/article_xtrek.php
Old    Byron Gray (bwake)      Join Date: Sep 2009       06-11-2013, 1:20 AM Reply   
Anything from exile.
Old    NAW (ripr)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-11-2013, 2:39 AM Reply   
New Supra model in 2014.
Old    Boarder 42 (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       06-11-2013, 5:05 AM Reply   
i really like the pavati boats... 21' with a trailer for 60k. very intrigued.
Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       06-11-2013, 5:59 AM Reply   
Any wet sounds info?
Old    Bill Smeltzer (runin90lx)      Join Date: Sep 2009       06-11-2013, 8:31 AM Reply   
new Centurion features


Last edited by runin90lx; 06-11-2013 at 8:39 AM.
Old    Mark (FunkyBunch)      Join Date: Jun 2011       06-11-2013, 9:11 AM Reply   
Bill that Cats thing looks killer. They had a lot of stuff in there but that was just awesome been waiting for something like that.
Old    Bill Smeltzer (runin90lx)      Join Date: Sep 2009       06-11-2013, 9:17 AM Reply   
yes that is pretty badass! ive never been a big fan of centurion but that is a pretty sweet addition for them.
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       06-11-2013, 10:21 AM Reply   
The cats system is a REALLY good idea to clean up the wake. I boarded behind a 233 last year, and with the boat full of people, we had a difficult time cleaning it up on both sides (Deep V boats are temperamental that way). Ramfill looks like it fills crazy fast too.

Looks like Centurion is stepping their game up and building a boat that can both surf and wakeboard with the best of them.
Old    D Hill (dhill)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-11-2013, 10:39 AM Reply   
love the cats idea, would pay to have that on my 230 today. tired of having people move or adding/removing ballast.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       06-11-2013, 11:18 AM Reply   
Supra and Moomba both supposedly have new models, but it is just Facebook gossip. Not sure anything about them or seen pics. I know they just had their photo shoots last week, so maybe rumors will surface soon. Fair to say with the success of the Mojo and the SA they will have smaller versions maybe??????
Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       06-11-2013, 11:19 AM Reply   
doesn't the CATS system do the same thing as the surf gate and NSS? I am not trying to diss, just wondering. they all "crab walk" the boat, right? if not, please let me know. either way if it works, i like it!!!
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       06-11-2013, 11:59 AM Reply   
Very cool stuff there from Centurion!
Old    Mark (FunkyBunch)      Join Date: Jun 2011       06-11-2013, 12:10 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by newwhit View Post
doesn't the CATS system do the same thing as the surf gate and NSS? I am not trying to diss, just wondering. they all "crab walk" the boat, right? if not, please let me know. either way if it works, i like it!!!
It looks like cats is more of a fine tuning system not full on surfgate or nss. Also both those systems do not deploy at wakeboard speeds.
Old    NAW (ripr)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-11-2013, 12:44 PM Reply   
Lots of refinements in the Supra line up....the direction of the brand is continuing its migration to the next level. Look for an exciting new model or two in the Supra AND Moomba line up.

Colors, graphics, trailers, interiors etc all looking swell!
Old    Jarod Craig (wake26)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-11-2013, 12:46 PM Reply   
Some pretty cool stuff from Centurian but from the prices that I just looked at most of the new Enzos were 70k and up. Know with all the new stuff you are know looking at a boat most likely 90k and up. All of these new boat models coming out with all these cool features, but to me they are making them a pipe dream for most people. But I sure do like seeing all the new ideas coming out.
Old     (whiteflashwatersports1)      Join Date: Dec 2012       06-11-2013, 1:08 PM Reply   
That cats system looks sweet. It would be so nice to clean up the wakeboard wake without moving people and ballast around. The RZR is very "tippy"
Old    Sheldon (Fiveflat)      Join Date: Sep 2010       06-11-2013, 2:21 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by tn_rider View Post
Chatt...A24??
Don't spread rumors...
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-11-2013, 2:29 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by whiteflashwatersports1 View Post
That cats system looks sweet. It would be so nice to clean up the wakeboard wake without moving people and ballast around. The RZR is very "tippy"
This. Nobody sneeze. A 125 lb cube fixed that right up for me
Old    Chris Dirty (Dmac420sj)      Join Date: Mar 2012       06-11-2013, 2:37 PM Reply   
Pavatis wake looks horrible!!
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       06-11-2013, 3:36 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplej View Post
This. Nobody sneeze. A 125 lb cube fixed that right up for me
On the fly man... You have the girls in your boat moving around? Much less getting up to move while under way identifying a washy wake, or moving a 125lb brick 6inches?

No need to yell at anyone or to direct traffic or instruct movement of weight. Seems pretty ingenious to me...
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-11-2013, 4:01 PM Reply   
Oh it is ingenious, I was sharing a solution with another RZR owner.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       06-11-2013, 5:08 PM Reply   
Ah yes. Didn't see that last part of his quote...

I wonder how this tuneable CATs system affects the size of the wake... it is creating lift on the side of the boat that is heavy it seems - similar to a trim tab, but doesn't look like wake shape is affected... If shape stays the same, is the size the same as an evenly weighted boat if the weight in each boat is the same? My mind says no... but I wonder what the real world implications are...
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-12-2013, 12:18 PM Reply   
Isn't the cat a turnable front skeg? If so it's not creating lift but crab.
Old    Anthonyv911 (tonyv420)      Join Date: Jul 2007       06-12-2013, 3:20 PM Reply   
How hard would it be to put on a home made turnable skeg? Seems like it would be pretty easy to fab...
Old    Markj (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-12-2013, 11:52 PM Reply   
Back to the OP's question, the factory rep who was dragging around the G25 for demo days last year told me that we would see the G21 in June/July of this year. We'll see.
Old    NAW (ripr)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-13-2013, 4:32 AM Reply   
There's also a new Moomba model in the line up this year!
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       06-13-2013, 7:37 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ripr View Post
There's also a new Moomba model in the line up this year!
Maybe a mini mojo?
Old    NAW (ripr)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-13-2013, 8:03 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
Maybe a mini mojo?
With the overall success of the Mojo and how well people have received it, I think it would make sense that they would want to continue that formula either up the line or down the line as far as size is concerned. I think we'll all find out soon!

But, knowing those out of the box thinking design team at Skiers Choice these days, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something total new!
Old    Brad Wilkins (bradw)      Join Date: Jun 2013       06-16-2013, 2:07 AM Reply   
I'm hearing a few changes to Nautiques 2014 line up!
Old    Jordan Maxymek (Jmaxymek)      Join Date: Feb 2012       06-16-2013, 11:43 AM Reply   
Sounds like a smaller Mojo and a new design from Supra. X-46 is supposed to follow the same shape as 10,30 and Star. Really excited to see that one.
Old    Ktrent (ktrent)      Join Date: Jul 2010       06-16-2013, 6:33 PM Reply   
Definitely excited to see the new X46. Any rumors of mastercraft going to a surf system like Malibu and nautique.

LSV23 will have my eye as well. It will be hard for Bu to beat such a classic.
Old    DC (durty_curt)      Join Date: Apr 2008       06-16-2013, 8:45 PM Reply   
Tigé Will Be dropping PCM And Replacing There power Plant With Indmar For 2014
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       06-16-2013, 8:48 PM Reply   
that is interesting. MB and Tige dropping PCM in favor of indmar recently. Will Nautique be the only company using PCM at this point?
Old    Lionel (lionel)      Join Date: Nov 2005       06-16-2013, 8:51 PM Reply   
Centurion runs PCM
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       06-16-2013, 9:08 PM Reply   
Wonder why that is? Price?
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-17-2013, 4:51 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakebordr11 View Post
Wonder why that is? Price?
I would think, Indmar lost a cash cow in MC and is probably pricing aggressively to rebuild that lost sales. Not like any of us will see it on the back end though...
Old    Kevin R Baugh (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-17-2013, 6:02 AM Reply   
Centurion has been using PCM since 2010!
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-17-2013, 7:38 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktrent View Post
Definitely excited to see the new X46. Any rumors of mastercraft going to a surf system like Malibu and nautique.

LSV23 will have my eye as well. It will be hard for Bu to beat such a classic.
The new LSV will have the same hull as the current, but man the changes on it's upper hull give it a bit more aggressive look. I think most people will love the new look
Old    Steve (steveo142)      Join Date: Dec 2012       06-17-2013, 5:49 PM Reply   
I wish MB would put somthing out on there 14's.... havent heard anything.
Old    Ktrent (ktrent)      Join Date: Jul 2010       06-17-2013, 6:48 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjh1669 View Post
The new LSV will have the same hull as the current, but man the changes on it's upper hull give it a bit more aggressive look. I think most people will love the new look
That's what I have heard as well. Why change perfection I guess. It will be awesome I am sure.
Old    Jimmy Winkle (jimmyd)      Join Date: Apr 2012       06-17-2013, 7:41 PM Reply   
http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

What in the world are they thinking having people riding in that transom seat and drinking beer??

Great advertising pavati. Good luck with those lawsuits.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       06-17-2013, 8:03 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyd View Post
http://www.pavati.com/wake_boarding_boat/boats/

What in the world are they thinking having people riding in that transom seat and drinking beer??

Great advertising pavati. Good luck with those lawsuits.
Just like Mastercraft surf seats, its called benchmarking

Bow looks shallow, not very secure...
Old    Rance Taylor (DatTexasBoy)      Join Date: Aug 2012       06-19-2013, 4:12 PM Reply   
Axis 2014 A24 is confirmed and SurfGate is confirmed. 2014 Vandall with SurfGate ORDERED!!!!!
Old    Mase (superair502)      Join Date: Mar 2010       06-20-2013, 8:37 AM Reply   
I'm waiting to see what the a24 will look like? Just like the a22 and a20 or a little update?
Old    Jimmy Winkle (jimmyd)      Join Date: Apr 2012       06-20-2013, 8:51 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakebordr11 View Post
Just like Mastercraft surf seats, its called benchmarking

Bow looks shallow, not very secure...
I don't believe mastercraft advertises those stern seats as surf seats being that they are not nmma certified to be in use while the boat is in motion.
Old    A.J. West (you_da_man)      Join Date: Sep 2009       06-20-2013, 9:14 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by superair502 View Post
I'm waiting to see what the a24 will look like? Just like the a22 and a20 or a little update?
Called my dealer yesterday about it and he said they will be going to a demo of the new A24 in the next month or so.
Old    Taylor M (lftaylor)      Join Date: Mar 2006       06-22-2013, 11:54 AM Reply   
Supra has some really cool stuff for 2014. Should start seeing it within the next several weeks.
Old    Justin Doornbos (JDboarder05)      Join Date: Mar 2013       06-22-2013, 12:53 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktrent View Post
Definitely excited to see the new X46. Any rumors of mastercraft going to a surf system like Malibu and nautique.

LSV23 will have my eye as well. It will be hard for Bu to beat such a classic.
Dude.... They have surf tabs.... these were out in 06 before surf gate and NSS... works better and less drag
Old    Chris (cjh1669)      Join Date: Apr 2005       06-22-2013, 9:18 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDboarder05 View Post
Dude.... They have surf tabs.... these were out in 06 before surf gate and NSS... works better and less drag
I've seen them in action, they don't work near as well as NSS or surfgate.
Old    Ktrent (ktrent)      Join Date: Jul 2010       06-23-2013, 7:39 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDboarder05 View Post
Dude.... They have surf tabs.... these were out in 06 before surf gate and NSS... works better and less drag
dude.... surf tabs, aren't those cute. come on man do your really thing surf tabs from MC are even in the same category as Surf Gate or NSS.
Old     (RideGull)      Join Date: Apr 2012       06-23-2013, 8:05 AM Reply   
Nautique has some pretty sweet stuff. New interior, new graphic, new gel lines. Glad I didn't get a G this spring, the 2014s look way better

And I'm excited to see the x46 in person. Although it has seating similar to the x14v which seems weird.
Also wish the xstar would get new lines and graphic already
Old    DC (durty_curt)      Join Date: Apr 2008       06-23-2013, 9:33 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by RideGull View Post
Nautique has some pretty sweet stuff. New interior, new graphic, new gel lines. Glad I didn't get a G this spring
Metallic purple. Nuff Said
Old    DC (durty_curt)      Join Date: Apr 2008       06-23-2013, 9:41 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by lftaylor View Post
Supra has some really cool stuff for 2014. Should start seeing it within the next several weeks.
Supra Version Of The G...
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       06-24-2013, 6:28 AM Reply   
^^^ the Gojo?
Old    DC (durty_curt)      Join Date: Apr 2008       06-24-2013, 6:42 AM Reply   
Hahaha
Old    Jimmy S (JamesHawk101)      Join Date: Sep 2012       06-24-2013, 8:40 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by durty_curt View Post
Metallic purple. Nuff Said
I've seen a G23 in that color. Man is it sweet.
Old    Sheldon (Fiveflat)      Join Date: Sep 2010       06-24-2013, 8:50 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by DatTexasBoy View Post
Axis 2014 A24 is confirmed and SurfGate is confirmed. 2014 Vandall with SurfGate ORDERED!!!!!
I'd like to see where the A24 news has been officially released?
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       06-24-2013, 9:30 AM Reply   
Has the middle class boater almost completely dissapeared? At least as far as new boats go? Apparently the real upper class is the only thing supporting these new boats. You would think there would be some room for a real entry level priced boat but those don't seem to even sell that well until you add all the crazy option anyways that push it up into the crazy price range.

I wonder if the world of cable parks is really going to start catching on in the U.S.? It seems like the only way to get the middle class and upper middle class into the sport.

Can anybody tell me what the build cost is of a 21' wakeboat. I am talking strictly just the parts,labor, overhead for an individual boat. Does a 21' boat cost more than 25k to build? I know you have to factor other things in like mold design and maintanance cost but still. Aren't most boats built in just a couple days from start to finish? Labor can't cost much more than a couple grand can it? I mean it isn't like a shop rate of $100 an hour. I am guessing most boat builders make less than $20/hour. Even if it takes 3 people, 3 8 hour days that is only about $1500 in labor. Is there 20k in parts in most of these boats that don't have LCD screens? I was told by Mike Brendell that a new mold cost somewhere in the neighborhood of a half million. I would hope they get at least 500 boats out of each mold before it needs to be completely redesigned. 500,000/500=$1000 per boat produced. Is there huge insurance costs that go into operating a boat manufacturing facility? You can't add freight as that gets added on after the fact anyway.

It seems like the boat builder's must make a pretty hefty margin unless they are spending an insane amount of money on marketing(I would consider sales reps as part of the marketing portion). Is there a huge amount of dollar allocation to warranty potential?

Sorry for my off topic rambling. I just kind of wonder where this industry is going. I know one thing that is popping up around Seattle is peer to peer boat sharing. Seattle is an incredibly expensive place to buy and use a boat. For those that actually live in the city most wouldn't have the space to keep on a trailer on their property. That means mooring or putting in dry stacks. Dry stacks are about $300+ a month and most require a 12 month lease. That means you pay $3600/year to use your boat 4 months or so a year. For actual months you use the boat it breaks down to about $900/month to be able to use your boat in the city. That is craziness. Boat sharing seems to be a way to get more people into boating without having to shell out that kind of dough. Even if you pay $400 a day to use a boat you get to use it 9 times a year before you even get to the point where you would pay for the storage of the boat.
Old     (CarZin)      Join Date: Feb 2011       06-24-2013, 9:44 AM Reply   
Quote:
Has the middle class boater almost completely dissapeared?
It has for people unwlling to finance. The age of cheap financing is 'the' major reason for boat price inflation. But there are some good things that come from that as well. Better resale being the big one.

Partnerships are a good way, as well. My last airplane was in a partnership, as was the boat previous to the one I own now. Partnerships can be great if done properly.

But boating has always been expensive. Wakeboarding has required manufacturers to do a LOT more. You can still buy plenty of I/Os cheaply.

Reply
Share 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:45 AM.

Home   Articles   Pics/Video   Gear   Wake 101   Events   Community   Forums   Classifieds   Contests   Shop   Search
Wake World Home

 

© 2012 eWake, Inc.    
Advertise    |    Contact    |    Terms of Use    |    Privacy Policy    |    Report Abuse    |    Conduct    |    About Us