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Old    Adam Komatz (okkomatz)      Join Date: Apr 2013       04-17-2013, 11:39 AM Reply   
Alright, so I'm a little new at this but I was wondering, what is a good competition vest, or what should I look for in a vest? What's the big deal, or difference? I've got a regular CGA Neoprene vest, which is what I've been wearing.

Any insight would be great guys, thanks!
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       04-17-2013, 12:49 PM Reply   
If you're feeling fine in the CGA vest then I would stick with it. Comp vests are a bad habit, and hard to come back from. In a face down, wind knocked out of you situation, many of them will not float you.

With that said, I wear a non-CGA vest, but I wish I didn't. I wear the Chris O'Shea Jetpilot which is similar to an O'Neill Outlaw. For a comp vest, it floats okay, definitely better than your thin pull-over style vest. It's not as safe as a CGA vest though.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       04-17-2013, 1:32 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by okkomatz View Post
Alright, so I'm a little new at this but I was wondering, what is a good competition vest, or what should I look for in a vest? What's the big deal, or difference? I've got a regular CGA Neoprene vest, which is what I've been wearing.

Any insight would be great guys, thanks!
To the average person, there is no difference in rideability from one to the other. There, bold statement, I said it.

I am inflexible and a comp vest never made me be able to pass the handle faster and a CGA vest never made me miss a handle pass - I missed because I am an intermediate rider.

However, when I ate crap off a giant double up backroll and I peeled my eyelids back and I was all wind knocked out disheveled couldn't see - I floated really nicely with a CGA vest.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       04-17-2013, 3:24 PM Reply   
agree. unless you're pro it wont be a huge difference....

plus these things are so good now a days...
Old     (will5150)      Join Date: Oct 2002       04-17-2013, 3:58 PM Reply   
I have an Attack Jet Pilot vest for under the dry suit- I started wearing during the summer for a while cuz it was light weight - then I over rotated a back roll and came down on my right side- felt like someone hit me with a 2x4 and I almost drowned. Haven't used in in 3 years.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       04-17-2013, 5:27 PM Reply   
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plus these things are so good now a days...
Exactly. Find a nice CGA vest - I personally like ones with glideskin with big arm holes and you'll be sold. I will be looking at Oneill in the future I think, but my Helium does pretty well. It's even an XL and I'm a L and it isn't too bulky. I used to be bigger on top, I'm between an L and an M now...
Old    Jay Simmo (JayManAR)      Join Date: Dec 2012       04-17-2013, 6:30 PM Reply   
Hyperlite has some nice new cga vests. I ordered the Team Royal and should have it in a few weeks. Ill let you know what I think, but I've heard really good things so far.
Old    Adam Holdsworth (holdsworth)      Join Date: Jan 2010       04-18-2013, 9:00 AM Reply   
If you're set on switching to non-CGA, give the O'Neill Checkmate a look. I've had two since 2009 and absolutely love it. Light, doesn't block any movement, fits me like a sleeveless compression shirt, and has protected me really well. It's a very comfortable vest for me and it'll be my next vest as well. Only problem, which is typical with a lot of pullovers, is that it folds up and rides up the body on some falls, but I've gotten kinda used to it and it's not a problem anymore.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       04-18-2013, 10:08 AM Reply   
For a non-CGA that offers a fair amount of float look at Hyperlite's Catalyst. I was using the Webb vest last season and could not stand how on certain falls the stupid thing would fold up and smack you in the face. The Catalyst is floaty and has just enough impact protection without being too bulky.
Old    Matthew Melvin (melvinator)      Join Date: Apr 2001       04-18-2013, 11:28 AM Reply   
I have an old jet pilot baller(shane b-ball jersey looking vest) that i have had since it came out, 2005?? that floats great for a non cga vest. Taken some massive hits and floats me great, got to be close to cga approved. Wife says it looks old, but hard to drop $125 on shanes new vest!
Old    Mattgettel (mattgettel)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-18-2013, 11:36 AM Reply   
To me it's about like a new set of golf clubs. I would have to be a whole lot better than I am to get any advantage out of a new set. I would have to be a WHOLE lot better rider to get any value out of a comp vest. I do own 2 jetpilots but they spend most of their time in the boat while I ride my o'neil CGA.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       04-18-2013, 12:09 PM Reply   
If you can find them, the old O'neill boost vests were the greatest ever. Super light (felt like you were wearing nothing), great impact protection, and I never had one break/tear/etc on me.

... the downside, like others mention, it wasn't really a "life vest" at all. I could easily swim underwater with it on.

Old    Bill Smeltzer (runin90lx)      Join Date: Sep 2009       04-18-2013, 12:30 PM Reply   
I have an Oneill but not sure which "model". But I only wear it when surfing. If I'm wakeboarding I wear a regular ole cga neoprene cause I'm not doing any inverts or anything(read..I suck)
Old    Doug (morrisdl)      Join Date: Apr 2004       04-18-2013, 12:32 PM Reply   
Buoyancy is not always the reason a vest is non-cga. I think cg requires at least two buckles.
Old    Jason (Hooya)      Join Date: Aug 2011       04-18-2013, 12:35 PM Reply   
I have an Oneill checkmate. Have no problems floating with it. And the padding is pretty solid all over it so great for impacts imo. Obviously the real main difference is that it is not designed like most CGA to keep you more on your back than front if you have been incapacitated.

Didn't Shaun M break a few ribs with a CGA last year. Nothing is going to protect you from everything all the time.

Are there any CGA without buckles? Or is that a big part in the CGA approval rating. I think they put off a lot of potential buyers.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       04-18-2013, 12:45 PM Reply   
I still have that boost vest in my garage. I feel lucky that I didn't drown during the time that I wore it. Light and comfortable, but I agree......not very safe
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       04-18-2013, 12:59 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by Hooya View Post
I have an Oneill checkmate. Have no problems floating with it. And the padding is pretty solid all over it so great for impacts imo. Obviously the real main difference is that it is not designed like most CGA to keep you more on your back than front if you have been incapacitated.

Didn't Shaun M break a few ribs with a CGA last year. Nothing is going to protect you from everything all the time.

Are there any CGA without buckles? Or is that a big part in the CGA approval rating. I think they put off a lot of potential buyers.
required.
what i dont get is why a company doesn't add all the flotation of a a cga, but do away with the buckles for a more favorable system....

i guess it wouldnt be easy to advertise without getting sued when someone dies wearing it..
Old    Jason (Hooya)      Join Date: Aug 2011       04-18-2013, 1:10 PM Reply   
thanks.

Could still just call it the "best flotation of a comp vest" or something, if it were obviously.

I guess one could buy a CGA and removed straps no?
Old    Jason (Hooya)      Join Date: Aug 2011       04-18-2013, 1:11 PM Reply   
if they were that bothered.
Old    Stuey (stuey)      Join Date: Dec 2004       04-18-2013, 2:03 PM Reply   
Jason - Oneill Revenge has hidden buckles, it probably looks most like a comp vest and its one of the best CGA's you can get.
Old    Brian Young (brian_young)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-18-2013, 3:28 PM Reply   
I hated the Revenge. the extra neoprene used to hide the buckles just added to the weight and hindered flexibility.
Old    Jason (Hooya)      Join Date: Aug 2011       04-19-2013, 6:32 AM Reply   
The revenge looks pretty decent in pictures.
Old    Stuey (stuey)      Join Date: Dec 2004       04-19-2013, 12:26 PM Reply   
Well I guess that's point proven to try things on for yourself and see if works for you! They did re-design the Revenge for 2013, I haven't seen the new ones yet in person but usually re-designed = improvement in most cases. Worth checking out at least.

I always wore a comp vest because they were small and cool... but I'm really starting to get away from it now. I guess that's partly me getting older and partly getting more experienced/going bigger/taking bigger falls. I had a few decent blows last summer where I would knock the wind out of myself, never close to unconscious, but enough to make me realize it would really suck if I did and I wasn't wearing a cga

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