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Old    Greg Dahlgren (Greg2223)      Join Date: Dec 2011       03-04-2013, 11:31 PM Reply   
I have been riding for about 2 years now going on 3. I usually ride at 70 feet about 22-23mph depending on the boat of course. I know everybody rides at different lengths and am wondering what you guys ride out? how big of a difference does rope length make?
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       03-05-2013, 5:33 AM Reply   
This is 100% dependent on the boat and your skill set... I like riding slower and shorter. If I can get a clean wake at 22-23, I use it and size the rope up last clean point on the wake. It's more fun to me to go big because you're not going as fast and there is slightly less risk involved, my boat is also small so it churns out its meanest wake in the 22-23 range, vs some other boats that really get mean at 23+ that said on the rzr I run 65 at 22. X25 if slammed 75-80 23 stock 70-75 at 22. Etc etc...
Old    James Tiblier (jtiblier123)      Join Date: Jan 2011       03-05-2013, 5:38 AM Reply   
There are multiple posts containing info on this topic.

In my opinion, the average beginner to intermediate tends to learn a little quicker with a shorter rope (65 feet) solely because they don't have to travel very far in order to cross the wake. It allows the rider to focus on line tension and not speed. Line tension gets you air...speed just sets you up for a different approach for certain tricks.

Most advanced riders who ride with weight in the boat ride about 23-25 mph, with a 75-80 foot rope.

I ride at 23.7-24.0 on a 75' rope when I have the ballast completely full. I am not a pro but this seems to be perfect for me. At the same time, when learning something new, I will sometimes drop about 2k in weight, slow the boat down to 22.5, shorten the rope to 70 feet.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       03-05-2013, 6:03 AM Reply   
Do a search, tons and tons of posts on this subject, some by members who don't frequent these boards anymore. I ride anywhere from 65-77.5' and 22.5-24mph. I don't like riding slower than 22.5, the board has a different feel on edge, I prefer to be going a little quicker and riding higher in the water.
Old    Justin Harrelson (skiboarder)      Join Date: Oct 2006       03-05-2013, 7:15 AM Reply   
James, you explained it very well. The simple equation that I use for myself and I recommend all riders use is ride at a speed that you feel comfortable. A little slow is always better than too fast. Your line length should be such that your weakest trick still goes wake to wake without too much work. A beginner should ride a shorter line and focus on going up. The falls will hurt less and you will learn to "load the line" without a bunch of speed.

I switch my line and speed to suit my mood and conditions all of the time. Behind my solidly weighted (not ridiculous) VLX, I ride 24ish at 80ish. I'll ride an Xstar at 23 and 75 no problem. A lot of advanced riders are scared to drop their line under 80, but I have found that behind some of the wide beam boats the wake just isn't shaped as well far out. Put me on an old SAN 210 and I will ride 85 all day long.
Old    William Burell (williamburell)      Join Date: Sep 2011       03-05-2013, 7:54 AM Reply   
totally rider/boat dependent. My x9 has a wide wake so I tend to see people shorten up. I ride at 22 but others on my boat ride 19-24
Old     (Orange)      Join Date: Jun 2012       03-05-2013, 11:36 AM Reply   
I would also recommend being careful with some of what you will read on this forum regarding speed and rope length. There is a certain machismo about going fast with long ropes as well as bad information out there. Most of what I've read so far is fairly reasonable but I guarantee you will hear or read some bs.

One thing I think everyone would agree with is the faster you go, the less margin for error and the higher the chance of injury. Be careful in increasing your speed. Know your true skill level and why you think you need to go faster. When trying new tricks or working on specific skills, don't be afraid to slow the boat down and even dump ballast to work the kinks out, then ease your way up to your "final" speed.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       03-05-2013, 12:44 PM Reply   
Harley rides a 65 to 68 ft rope in comps. Doesn't hurt his skills!
Old    Miguel (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006       03-05-2013, 1:35 PM Reply   
Speed - 1 mph after the wash dissappears.
Rope length - right before the wash starts.

What that actual speed or length is - I could care less.
Old    Ben Ax (hawkeye7708)      Join Date: Feb 2007       03-05-2013, 2:52 PM Reply   
It's completely a "feel" and per case kind of thing. Lots of great insight above relative to this topic.... it's a common one. Sometimes I think everybody has elevator speeches ready for some of these repeat topics. My "expert" (bahahahahaha) summary:

1) Ride a speed you're comfortable with. I ride 23. Have ridden 25. Have ridden 21. Riding at 23 consistently gave, what I felt to be, the best feel on the water and the most comfort setting AND holding my edges and popping with good form.

2) Use a rope length you're comfortable with. My rope is usually at about 72 (due to a wrap I added). I found that at 23 mph and around 72 feet, I'm usually in the sweet spot of the wake (on lots of decently weighted boats), able to get lots of hang time and still take my weaker tricks wake to wake consistently.

That all said, sometimes you need to adjust. I know on a "humanly weighted (2000-3000 lb)" Nautique 210 riding 23 mph, I need to go back to closer to 80 feet for a comparable feel and sweet spot. I shorten my rope and slow my speed when it's time to learn things to save my body a bit.

------> Take home message: It's all what you're comfortable with and what allows you to ride the way YOU want to. Everybody rides differently, everybody has different weighting, different water conditions and depth. Ride your way. (Wow... if that last bit wasn't the wake equivalent to a Middle School guidance counselor)
Old    Ben Ax (hawkeye7708)      Join Date: Feb 2007       03-05-2013, 2:56 PM Reply   
As an example, my buddy Bob rides around 65 feet at 21miles per hour. He's a great rider. He'll tell you "that's just where it's at".
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Old    Ron (Nordicron)      Join Date: Aug 2011       03-05-2013, 5:18 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by cwb4me View Post
Harley rides a 65 to 68 ft rope in comps. Doesn't hurt his skills!
Sorry but that seems pretty hard to believe considering the amount of weight and size of the wakes. The speed these boats need to go to make that monster wake clean has to be pretty fast as well. Especially behind the new star.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       03-05-2013, 8:33 PM Reply   
Actually they say the g23 makes its best wake at 23.2 or something (said JD Webb to me at the show)
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       03-06-2013, 6:00 AM Reply   
Ron, ever see Harley ride a comp? He's going like 22-23, the wake curls a lot. He goes slower and rides a shorter line to get more tricks in. Wake is bigger at those speeds too.

Simple - I've ridden the G, that is correct. Best wake shape and size is in the 23-23.5 range, even with like 15 ppl in the boat and 3/4 ballast. I had ridden a 230 with an extra 1000-1500 and 11 ppl and the speed was faster. G you can ride more civilized speed. I think I was at 75 feet as well on both setups.

My overall speed is determined by my driver since 3 out of 4 boats I ride behind don't have perfect pass. Its all about sound, feel, and Airguide readout. I let the driver know what to do.
Old    Andrew Simmons (Andrew14)      Join Date: Apr 2011       03-06-2013, 7:06 AM Reply   
I heard from a few of the Nautique Team riders that the G23 even starts to clean up around 19 mph - Murray was riding it at only 23 mph with 1400lbs over stock for the Teaser vids last year.....wake was still super clean. That boat is a freak of nature......
Old    Axis22            03-07-2013, 8:44 AM Reply   
Man all y'all talk about cleaning up your wake I have never had a problem with getting a clean wake from 16mph to 24mph I pull my Nephew who is 12 at 16 and a pro rider who shreds with us at 24mph with younger kids I run just factory Ballast then when adults go I have an extra 400 each v locker 1000 Arrow bag under front seat a 300 pound on top of front seat and 1100 bag in the center of boat and I never get a washy wake maybe the auto set wedge that cleans it up

http://youtu.be/4Ec4ICJL-Zg
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       03-07-2013, 9:32 AM Reply   
no you just have a flat hulled malibu...
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       03-07-2013, 10:34 AM Reply   
boy do I love the A22 wake
Old    Ron (Nordicron)      Join Date: Aug 2011       03-07-2013, 11:08 AM Reply   
Nice video. What was the speed/line length and weight in that vid?

Is the wake behind a MXz any diff than a A22?
Old    Axis22            03-07-2013, 11:32 AM Reply   
That's an 2012 Axis A22 weighted with 2 200 pounds hard takes in back one 500 pound hard take in center then a 400 pound bag in each v locker and a 1000 pound arrow bag under front seat with plug n play and the auto set wedge down with a 70 ft rope speed 23.5
Old    Tim (dezul)      Join Date: Jul 2012       03-07-2013, 3:48 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by Axis22 View Post
That's an 2012 Axis A22 weighted with 2 200 pounds hard takes in back one 500 pound hard take in center then a 400 pound bag in each v locker and a 1000 pound arrow bag under front seat with plug n play and the auto set wedge down with a 70 ft rope speed 23.5
I rode behind my buddies Axis A22 with just the wedge down at that rope length and speed and it was effortless getting W2W and I am just a beginner. I couldn't imagine how it would feel actually weighted. Axis will definitely be my next boat in a year or two.
Old    Axis22            03-07-2013, 5:43 PM Reply   
Yea I think axis puts out one of the cleanest wakes on the water for half the price of other wake boats you can't go wrong maybe next year or two they will throw the surf gate on it that would be sweet !!!
Old    Lou Ferraro (ferral)      Join Date: Sep 2007       03-07-2013, 6:33 PM Reply   
The Axis hull is not the same as the MXZ but I've been told the wakes are similar. I've never ridden an MXZ myself to compare
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       03-07-2013, 9:51 PM Reply   
Ridden a new VLX and then my Axis. They are both very similar and definitely "malibu" wakes. I am sure the mxz is a little bit different but still keeps in line with the malibu shape. I plan on riding a 22mxz soon....
Old    Mahogany Lover (RonBurgundy)      Join Date: Jun 2012       04-29-2013, 11:21 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordicron View Post
Sorry but that seems pretty hard to believe considering the amount of weight and size of the wakes. The speed these boats need to go to make that monster wake clean has to be pretty fast as well. Especially behind the new star.
Had to bring this back to second the slow and short pic above. I am starting to go longer/faster, but one of the guys we ride with loves 60-65 ft at 21. hes around 2000lb in the boat and we have a similiar wake and he goes huge. Lands everything out in the flats but thats what he prefers......cuts hard and goes big.
Old    Josh M (dvsone79)      Join Date: Dec 2012       04-29-2013, 12:42 PM Reply   
75' @ 22.7mph behind my '99 PS 205v (same hull as Xstar) weighted with 2600lbs. 75' @ 23mph behind my buddy's '04 SAN w/ similar weight. His wake has a little more peak to it, and seems wider to me at that length, so the slight bump in speed seems to narrow it up just enough.

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