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Old    JR Smith (wakintime)      Join Date: Jul 2011       07-31-2012, 1:33 AM Reply   
Just a quick question abou which boat between natique team super air 210 or Malibu wakesetter vlx have the steepest and stiffer wake for wakeboarding ? Also does anyone if there are going to be any major changs in either of these boats in 2013? Any answers would be appreciated.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       07-31-2012, 3:46 AM Reply   
San 210
Old    Michael Hunter (mhunter)      Join Date: Mar 2008       07-31-2012, 4:48 AM Reply   
Why dont you go out and test drive/ride them for yourself? Would you really just buy a boat based on whats said on this forum?
Old    Erik Jernberg (juniorhawk)      Join Date: Jul 2004       07-31-2012, 5:00 AM Reply   
The 210 has the steeper/harder wake of the two. Even the new (2006+) one.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       07-31-2012, 6:29 AM Reply   
^^^^^ I concur that the 210 wake is steeper and harder. The vlx wake has more transition/ramp.
Old    Tim C (lifetimewarranty)      Join Date: Oct 2008       07-31-2012, 7:41 AM Reply   
Never ridden either but know guys who have ridden both and from everything I hear it would also go to the 210.
Old    Joe Lo (JoLo_Si)      Join Date: Oct 2011       07-31-2012, 7:52 AM Reply   
Chatt's got your answer, as usuall he's right on.
Old    Keith M. (kmayotte)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-31-2012, 8:12 AM Reply   
I ride both wakes often. (Own a 210, one friend with malibu vlx, one with lsv).

The 210 is much steeper, harder and narrower. VLX is pure ramp. the 210 wake is much harder on your body with how often you land in the flats after going straight up.
Old    jacob (jacob5)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-31-2012, 8:44 AM Reply   
San 210 is my favorite one, and have great experience.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-31-2012, 8:45 AM Reply   
Pavati!
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-31-2012, 9:18 AM Reply   
Does anything have a steeper and harder wake then the SAN210?
Old    JR Smith (wakintime)      Join Date: Jul 2011       07-31-2012, 11:07 AM Reply   
Thanks I am still going to test ride each boat. Just wanted some opinions. No one has heard of any changes besides being more expensive. In 2013?
Old    Sippi (sippi)      Join Date: Dec 2007       07-31-2012, 11:14 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
Does anything have a steeper and harder wake then the SAN210?
Epic maybe? only one i can think of
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-31-2012, 11:19 AM Reply   
I would argue that the supra 21 v is the steepest wake on boats today . They mellowed the 210 wake out in 2007 and the 21 v has moved to that. Nothing will however beat a 1999-2006 210/ super sport hull.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       07-31-2012, 11:55 AM Reply   
^^^^ yeah, those pre '07 SANTE 210's were like hitting a curb. Murder on the old knees.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-31-2012, 12:12 PM Reply   
Quote:
They mellowed the 210 wake out in 2007 and the 21 v has moved to that. Nothing will however beat a 1999-2006 210/ super sport hull.
Epic is the old 210 wake on steroids.... steepest and most firm wake out there today IMO
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-31-2012, 12:16 PM Reply   
My neighbor has a 2005 SANTE and hitting a curb is the best description for hitting that wake.
Old    LR3w8kbrdr            07-31-2012, 12:28 PM Reply   
Question is...after tripping over the curb is it easy for someone to land lol. Ive only been behind the 2010 & newer wake of the 210. Going out on a buddies old excel that has the vdrive and 210 hull. How much difference we talking?
Old    D (tx_foilhead)      Join Date: Apr 2009       07-31-2012, 2:19 PM Reply   
Excel is a different hull not related to the the Super Sport/ SAN in any way, but it does have a very solid 'Nautique' wake.
Old    LR3w8kbrdr            07-31-2012, 2:24 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by tx_foilhead View Post
Excel is a different hull not related to the the Super Sport/ SAN in any way, but it does have a very solid 'Nautique' wake.
Ahh...thanks. Got it confused w/ the others.
Old    Markj (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-31-2012, 10:48 PM Reply   
I get a kick out of watching friends who own other boats cross my wake when they haven't ridden on mine in a while. I just look for that "holy crap" look on their faces when they get booted the first time crossing. Getting huge air off of a SAN is relatively effortless. I've had two ACL surgeries to prove it too. Getting old sucks.
Old    Markj (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-31-2012, 10:52 PM Reply   
LR3, I've had both boats. (excel/barefoot and SAN) The excel is very similar to the old 210 wake. Just smaller and a tad wider.
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       08-01-2012, 4:54 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
Does anything have a steeper and harder wake then the SAN210?
Than a newer 2010? Yes:
*205v/old Xstar
*old 210
*SAN230's, properly weighted
*Epic
*G23 (hard to describe, just strap in and hold on)

Than an old 210? Hard to say.
*It might not be as an abrupt steepness, but the 230 (again, properly weighted) is much bigger and harder.
*Epic

Last edited by ironj32; 08-01-2012 at 4:57 AM.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       08-01-2012, 4:59 AM Reply   
^ Agree with that statement, the SAN230 is a HARD wake and its pretty steep too, not as abrupt as the old 210 I don't think...

MarkJ, what was being said basically is the excel/barefoot hull is nothing like the superair/supersport hull (95-06), and I'd have to see pics as I've heard those wakes don't 'build' like the older 2001 hulls, and 93-06 sport nautis either...
Old    Markj (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       08-02-2012, 12:55 AM Reply   
Delta Force, I agree that the hulls of excel/barefoots are not similar to 95-06 SANs. I've owned/own both. That said, the wakes however, are very similar in shape-which is weird. That is why I think the barefoot V-drive is probably the best semi-budget wake boat out there hands down. It's a sleeper that not many people know about unless they've been on one. They do "build " very well BTW. About twelve years ago I had my first ACL injury because of not being used to the huge wake when I loaded it down after riding it stock for years... Long story. I think I just took this off topic. Sorry.
Old    Drew Pancoast (dru1974)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-02-2012, 4:46 AM Reply   
Calabria its like running into a curb

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