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Old    Justin Roemer (soulrider)      Join Date: Mar 2010       07-18-2012, 12:40 PM Reply   
I'm looking for a new boat and I really have liked the wake on all the nautiques I have been on but there are quite a few I have not been behind and I'm looking for some opinions on which year and model makes the best wake fully loaded with additional fat sacks?

I have a limit of 25k so I probably won't be able to buy anything very new but what would be the best boat for the price?

I'm also up for suggestions on other boats like mastercraft and malibu.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-18-2012, 12:46 PM Reply   
Your only options are the Air Nautique direct drive, Pro Air Nautique direct drive and Super Air Nautiqe(SAN) in that price range. The air and super air basically have the same hull but one is a direct drive and the other is a v drive. Definately look for a SAN(vdrive). If you can find an 02 or 03 those seem to be the best options. If you are looking in the early 2000's make sure the gauges have been converted to analog from the digital. They have problems it sounds like. If it does have digital gauges jsut work the swap over into the price. The SAN is probably the mos tlegendary wake producer ever besides the 2003-2011 Xstar. A really steep and solid wake with less weight then a lot of boats. Also, the PCM GT40 is probably one of, if no the best tournament boat engine ever. I think 2002 was the last year you could get that engine. The 2001's and early have wider gunnels so are alittle smaller inside.
Old    Nauti 210 (brett33)      Join Date: Apr 2011       07-18-2012, 12:47 PM Reply   
Brett nailed it. I have a 2002 SANTE with analog gauges and the GT-40. It's got 3k of ballast plumbed and a upgraded prop. I've had it since it was brand new and it's the hands down favorite boat in my crew to ride behind still.

Best option.. 99-03 Super Air 210's

Last edited by brett33; 07-18-2012 at 12:54 PM.
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-18-2012, 12:58 PM Reply   
Don't count out the same years Nautique super sports . They are identical to the Super Air minus the standard wake options such as ballast and tower. However 90% of them these days have a tower and auto ballast that was installed by the owner and is bigger and easier to use than the standard Nautique factory systems of those era's.

One boat I would stay away from if the pro air Nautique. Totally it's own hull and a somewhat sub par wake when compared to the standard air, super sport, or super air. The best yer hands down is a 2003 SANTE the tower interior and ballast was all dialed.
Old    Dave O (wakedaveup)      Join Date: May 2012       07-18-2012, 1:01 PM Reply   
Brett is right, the 02/03 had digital guages and never worked like they should. You could also look into an older super sport which is still a Vdrive and pretty affordable if you find a clean one. Just add a few ballast bags and you're good to go!
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-18-2012, 1:01 PM Reply   
Also if you are not hard set on a Nautique the 99-2002 Mastercraft XStar/ 205v has one of the best wakes of that era as well. However it will need quite a bit more ballast than the suler air. Not quite as vert but super legendary transition, kick and pop. Two of the most iconic wakes in the industry both no longer produced.
Old    Tampa Wake (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       07-18-2012, 1:07 PM Reply   
Since you opened up the door for MC. Look at the 205V hull this was the X start until 03 and the X2 till 06 then the X1(think those dates are close). I would say that the original SAN and X Star (205V) are the most storied wake hulls. I own a 2002 X Star and split time between it and the old school SAN. Both wakes are great the SAN is a bit steeper depending how you weight them. I would own both no problem so keep and eye out for both boats. The wakes are GREAT on both great manufacturers. The only negative I will say about my MC was the ballast manifold system. With newer pumps you cant fill all 3 at the same time. I gutted it and made through hulls for each and ever pump to pull water from. Other than that its been a great boat. Good luck
Old    Justin Roemer (soulrider)      Join Date: Mar 2010       07-18-2012, 1:08 PM Reply   
The 03 is actually what I had in mind. My friend has the 03 and I have been behind it a lot and so far i like the wake the best out of the other boats I have been behind. he bought it new in 03 and has tons of hours on it and it still runs strong and smooth and hasn't had many serious problems which makes me feel good. what is the price range for that year in good condition with somewhat low hours? Where is the best place to search for a boat this time of year? I live in Michigan but wouldn't mind buying from another state if I can find what I'm looking for.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-18-2012, 1:15 PM Reply   
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The 03 is actually what I had in mind. My friend has the 03 and I have been behind it a lot and so far i like the wake the best out of the other boats I have been behind. he bought it new in 03 and has tons of hours on it and it still runs strong and smooth and hasn't had many serious problems which makes me feel good. what is the price range for that year in good condition with somewhat low hours? Where is the best place to search for a boat this time of year? I live in Michigan but wouldn't mind buying from another state if I can find what I'm looking for.
03 was a good year I think. That was when the standard motor was the 330hp excalibur right? Keep in mind that all Super Air Nautique 210's and Super sport Nautiques had the same hull from 1995(or whenver they came out with the super sport) to 2006. Besides the switch to narrower gunnels and losing the full wrap around the only differences were really graphics, towers, gauges, ballast setup and the motor.
Old    Bevan (stxr_racer)      Join Date: Jun 2006       07-18-2012, 2:14 PM Reply   
Rocking an 08 210.....but my old 03 is still my favourite!
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Old    Miguel (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-18-2012, 3:56 PM Reply   
^^^sickest 03 EVER
Old    LR3w8kbrdr            07-18-2012, 3:58 PM Reply   
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^^^sickest 03 EVER
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Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-18-2012, 7:37 PM Reply   
Bevan
I miss seeing pics of that boat. That is still one of my favorites from back in the old Wakeworld days (you know back when everyone got along)
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-18-2012, 7:39 PM Reply   
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Old    Bevan (stxr_racer)      Join Date: Jun 2006       07-18-2012, 7:47 PM Reply   
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Bevan
I miss seeing pics of that boat. That is still one of my favorites from back in the old Wakeworld days (you know back when everyone got along)
Lol!

Thanks fellas!

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Old    DJ (Dj2up10)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-18-2012, 8:00 PM Reply   
Amazing color way on a classic boat. We've got a 02 210 SA with low hours...looking forward to seeing how many years we get out of it.

Which bimini company did you go with...we definitely need to add that.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       07-18-2012, 8:05 PM Reply   
Jizzed in my pants when I saw those pix
Old    Jeff Goldblum (VTWakeboard)      Join Date: Oct 2011       07-18-2012, 9:08 PM Reply   
02-03 is by far my favorite 210, there is an all black on I have seen pictures of that could be one of my favorite boats ever. If been riding a lot behind a blue 02 and its up there for classiest looking boats if seen. Also spent a lot of time riding an 05 which seems to just have less gel coat colors and a ss tower instead of black. Its personal preference like everyone said either way the hull and the wake is the same and its one of the best ever. between the 205v/210 you can not go wrong the wakes fit/finish are classic. Pick the one you like best
Old    Tyler Innes (PrecisionStorage)      Join Date: Sep 2010       07-19-2012, 10:33 AM Reply   
I miss my old 2001 SAN:

Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 2:17 PM Reply   
were r u from. i have a 04 i would b willing to get rid of for like 26,000 in a month...a team addition fully loaded. bought it from my dealer and it was there demo boat. the wake is great.
Old    Preston (okwakebdr)      Join Date: Jul 2005       07-19-2012, 2:44 PM Reply   
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were r u from. i have a 04 i would b willing to get rid of for like 26,000 in a month...a team addition fully loaded. bought it from my dealer and it was there demo boat. the wake is great.
Seriously? An '04 for $26k? What's wrong with it? I'll give you that for it if you're close to me just so I can resell it and make $10k. I'm picking up a '12 demo in a couple months, and just sold my '05 for $36k.
Old    LR3w8kbrdr            07-19-2012, 3:10 PM Reply   
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were r u from. i have a 04 i would b willing to get rid of for like 26,000 in a month...a team addition fully loaded. bought it from my dealer and it was there demo boat. the wake is great.
You guys are killing me! Not ready for another boat quite yet. Save some of them for this winter lol
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 3:22 PM Reply   
I'm tryin to wait for winter!! I use it every day almost. How do I put a pic on here? Will put some up for u guys if I new how.
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-19-2012, 3:24 PM Reply   
My neighbor just sold his 05 for 38k, those 99-03 are still some of my favorite boats, as well as the original X star/205V/X2/X1. something about them, they just have a classic look, never goes out of style.
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 3:27 PM Reply   
Dam. Well I am getin a bigger boat and want to use this one for this season then dump it. Need some money for the down payment to get the new one built!
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-19-2012, 3:28 PM Reply   
Just to show you the other option that people are discussing- Man those older Nautiques and Mastercrafts were awesome, if it isn't broke don't fix it!
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Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-19-2012, 3:29 PM Reply   
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Dam. Well I am getin a bigger boat and want to use this one for this season then dump it. Need some money for the down payment to get the new one built!
You could sell it really fast at probably 31 or 32k if it is in good shape.
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 3:31 PM Reply   
It's in pretty good shape. Not perfect but for 26-27, I got 62 hours on this year already. Thing runs great and has been gone over front to back by my dealer.
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-19-2012, 3:32 PM Reply   
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It's in pretty good shape. Not perfect but for 26-27, I got 62 hours on this year already. Thing runs great and has been gone over front to back by my dealer.
How many total hours?
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 3:34 PM Reply   
460
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-19-2012, 3:36 PM Reply   
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460
I still think you could get in the low 30's pretty quick.
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 3:37 PM Reply   
Any advertiseing suggestions?
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-19-2012, 3:40 PM Reply   
Onlyinboards.com , this website, planet Nautique, boat traders(I received a lot more leads from only inboards)
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-19-2012, 3:42 PM Reply   
also don't forget craigslist
Old    LR3w8kbrdr            07-19-2012, 3:47 PM Reply   
Planet Nautique or Onlyinboards and for that price Id be suprised if it lasted 1 week on there
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 4:22 PM Reply   
So u think I could ride it a month or so yet,then put it on there for 27 and get it? How do I put a pic on here? Will put one up for u guys.
Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       07-19-2012, 4:23 PM Reply   
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So u think I could ride it a month or so yet,then put it on there for 27 and get it? How do I put a pic on here? Will put one up for u guys.
Just put a link up to the craigslist ad. Thats yours in Appleton, right?
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 4:33 PM Reply   
Ya. Im not very good at this stuff. My girl is gana try and help me. Once I no how I can do it myself.
Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       07-19-2012, 4:34 PM Reply   
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Ya. Im not very good at this stuff. My girl is gana try and help me. Once I no how I can do it myself.
I'm posting it here, if you want me to take it down let me know.

http://appleton.craigslist.org/boa/3088458287.html
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 4:49 PM Reply   
i need to leard how to do that. thank u
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-19-2012, 4:54 PM Reply   
learn
Old    Mark V (mark197)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-20-2012, 6:51 AM Reply   
Chris a little help.



Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-20-2012, 7:36 PM Reply   
thanks mark! hows ur summer goin? now a new dealer is botherin me to trade mine in for a tige...what u think biuyt them over a supra??
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-20-2012, 7:37 PM Reply   
On topic with the old classics..........just kicked 1030hrs

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Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-20-2012, 7:42 PM Reply   
Swatguy, I love that there is a slalom ski in one of the pictures.
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-20-2012, 8:45 PM Reply   
gotta keep it real.......I have picked it back up over the past 2 seasons probably close to 50/50 this season. I kind of plateaued boarding as getting worked and hurt is no longer that fun. I did have to drop that old Connelly Carbon Course Pro this season for a new stick as the deep water starts were getting to me after my surgery. Swapped to a HO Triumph and love it. Hoping to hit the course a few times in the next month or so once i kick it back into gear.

I have been looking for a new boat as this one just turned 13 and I need a bit more room. However, for what I do this hull just can't be touched. Board, surf, sk,i and the gel is still an 8-10 after 13 yrs with nothing but boat bling,babes, and wax. Carpet is my only issue.....13yrs of use is starting to show.

With a great driver who loves the way this boat tracks and drives its hard to get her to like anything we have tested.

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Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       07-20-2012, 8:52 PM Reply   
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thanks mark! hows ur summer goin? now a new dealer is botherin me to trade mine in for a tige...what u think biuyt them over a supra??
I think Skipper Buds has had most of the Tiges since the January boat show, and they are looking to unload them. I think Tige is a great boat, my concern would be Skipper Buds keeping the line...
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-20-2012, 9:07 PM Reply   
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I think Skipper Buds has had most of the Tiges since the January boat show, and they are looking to unload them. I think Tige is a great boat, my concern would be Skipper Buds keeping the line...
I actually got their most recent news letter ............they are blowing out their 2012 R20's in blue and green for 46,900. on a sticker of 69,500. Their MSRP is over the top compared to the market for Tiges and their Volo shop is in shambles FWIW.

I was eyeing their blue Z1 but their MSRP's are so inflated its ridiculous...even as a midwest dealer where boats go for premiums.

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Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       07-20-2012, 9:29 PM Reply   
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I actually got their most recent news letter ............they are blowing out their 2012 R20's in blue and green for 46,900. on a sticker of 69,500. Their MSRP is over the top compared to the market for Tiges and their Volo shop is in shambles FWIW.

I was eyeing their blue Z1 but their MSRP's are so inflated its ridiculous...even as a midwest dealer where boats go for premiums.
Yep, that is Skipper Buds for you. It seems consistent with most of the towboat dealers in or near Illinois though.

I loved that Z1 at the boat show, I must have spent half an hour on that thing. When I saw the price, especially considering the base level tower and 5 liter engine, I had no trouble walking away. An R20 decently equipped for 47 isn't bad though...

If Skipper Buds drops Tige though, not sure who would do the warranty work. The PCM stuff could go through a CC dealer, but that's just the powertrain.
Old    Chris Bucklin (chrisbucklin)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-21-2012, 1:25 AM Reply   
well u made it a easy choice,thanks
Old    Mark V (mark197)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-21-2012, 7:28 AM Reply   
Yeah Chris the guys over at FF are awesome. They treat you like one of the guys not some customer. I am going to list mine in spring and look at something from them. I can't wait to see what the new Moomba looks like.

One of these days we'll get out and ride.

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