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Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-01-2012, 4:29 PM Reply   
The new boat arrived today! I haven't been over to see it yet with my own eyes, but Active Water Sports sent over the following pics!

I'll go get her on Thursday, then go directly to Brian at Exile for some tower candy.







Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-01-2012, 4:34 PM Reply   
Time to take her clothes off!

Old    8tens (Ben Kerran) (rukie)      Join Date: Jan 2006       05-01-2012, 4:41 PM Reply   
So sick!!!
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-01-2012, 6:02 PM Reply   
Looking good!
Old    Rick Hoag (rickB52)      Join Date: Mar 2012       05-01-2012, 6:13 PM Reply   
nine iron - time to change profile... beautiful ride!!!
Old    Michael Hunter (mhunter)      Join Date: Mar 2008       05-01-2012, 6:14 PM Reply   
Congratulations I hope all goes well for you.
Old    Dave Diaz (wakebrdr94)      Join Date: Jul 2010       05-01-2012, 6:17 PM Reply   
That's a sexy sight!
Old    D.F.T.R. Josh (downfortheride)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-01-2012, 6:50 PM Reply   
BOOM! Can't wait to get your updated pics. We know you don't F around!
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       05-01-2012, 7:20 PM Reply   
That's a sharp boat and i like the white Boatmate trailer with black wheels!
Old    MD (monroeyd)      Join Date: Jun 2006       05-01-2012, 9:33 PM Reply   
Sweet lookin' boat!
Old    Bruizza (bruizza)      Join Date: May 2009       05-02-2012, 11:40 AM Reply   
Looking good!
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-02-2012, 10:40 PM Reply   
Thanks for all your kind words. I'm pretty excited about this one. I should be picking her up on Friday.

Quick question for you all...

I am really debating what color speaker cans I should get for my white G3 tower. Exile offers black and chrome. I'm not a fan of the chrome. The black might look good since there are other black accents (wheels, side of boat, interior, bimini, etc.), but what do you think of white? I could have the cans powdercoated. Do you think that would look good, or lame.

I know... kind of a stupid thing to be thinking about at 11pm. Thoughts...?

Last edited by ixfe; 05-02-2012 at 10:46 PM.
Old    Lionel (lionel)      Join Date: Nov 2005       05-02-2012, 10:57 PM Reply   
Black might look good. You have a mostly black boat with a white trailer. And that looks good. A mostly white tower with black speakers could look great, too! Otherwise cover them with white shrink wrap tape, take a step back and see if you like white better. Then have the cans dipped white at that place where they do the Duck helmets....
Old    Chris Halfmoon (moon)      Join Date: Oct 2008       05-02-2012, 10:57 PM Reply   
I think black cans would look sick since you've got some black accents.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-03-2012, 6:27 AM Reply   
I say black cans
Old    Rick Hoag (rickB52)      Join Date: Mar 2012       05-03-2012, 7:34 PM Reply   
I think white would look great but I have read on many forums people complaining about keeping them clean while towing (bugs)...
Old    Tim C (lifetimewarranty)      Join Date: Oct 2008       05-03-2012, 9:19 PM Reply   
Ridiculous. Absolutely awesome.
Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-04-2012, 5:06 AM Reply   
IXFE, love your new boat color scheme. And, NO to Chrome.
Old     (CDoogles)      Join Date: Feb 2011       05-04-2012, 7:44 AM Reply   
Aesthetically I really like the look of 4 9s on the tower. Here is how mine turned out: http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=793084. I think it would look pretty sweet if you painted the grilles on these glossy black and hung them on your white tower. Some decent paint with clearcoat would hold up just fine on the tower. I wouldn't worry about powder coating any of it... But that's just my $.02

Great looking boat!
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-04-2012, 9:06 AM Reply   
Thanks everybody... I'm headed to AWS to pick her up after lunch. I've been talking to Brian at Exile and he also recommends black speaker cans to match the bimini and other black accents. But we're doing the mounting plate (aka adapter) in white to match the white tower that it sits flush with.

CDoog... your MXZ is sweet and making me with that I went 100% Exile instead of the factory in-boats/sub. Love your metal flake too.

Hopefully more pics later...
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-04-2012, 9:22 AM Reply   
Hmmm. Maybe I will run down to Active Watersports Before lunch and let my cat run around inside of your compartments for a while????? That cat pee will smell good once the summer sun comes out........
Maiden voyage this weekend? I think I am going to play hookie on Monday with the weather forecast and try to get out. Let me know if you go out. We will probably go downtown.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-04-2012, 9:30 AM Reply   
Unfortunately we are slammed this weekend with baseball tournaments and dance competitions. But, I like the idea of a Monday run. I'll let you know.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-04-2012, 9:43 AM Reply   
And yes... I LOL'd at your little cat joke. ;->
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-06-2012, 9:05 PM Reply   
Well... I picked her up on Friday. Would you believe it rained and hailed on my way home??

AWS was good to me... they spent the time to plastic wrap around the boat so I could drive home with the cover on w/out worrying about rub marks. It only took four grown men to get the new Evolution cover on... that shiz is thick and tight! They say it should stretch out.

Here is a pick I took just before pulling out of the AWS shop...




Once underway, I immediately noticed that the boat tows much nicer than the MB did. Maybe it was the fact that the VLX weighs 400 lbs. less than the F21. Maybe it was the wide, low profile trailer tires. Certainly the brakes on both axles helped and was also noticeable (CTW trailers only have brakes on one axle). Whatever it was, I noticed it.


Here is the obligatory mirror shot...




When I got it home, I had to hustle to get it in the garage before another dose of rain hit. My door is 8' tall, and the F21 used to fit with ease. The VLX was close, but it made it w/out having to remove racks or the tower hoop. So close that the folded racks brushed up against the rubber seal on the top of the door opening.

On the other hand, once inside the garage I could raise the G3 tower all the way up with 6" to spare. The MB tower wouldn't go all the way up so I had to hang it with rubber coated chains using those eye-bolts you see. My garage ceiling is 10'6" tall.

Here is a pic in the garage. You can see that I have to remove the platform and store it on the fridge. She barely fits in the rear... the wedge is just inches from the furnace duct on the back wall. Would you believe we also fit a Denali XL and Jeep Grand Cherokee in this garage?





Overall, I couldn't be more pleased with how this boat turned out. In person, the white/black theme is stunning, imho. Is it a white boat or a black boat? You decide...

More pics soon (with a real camera at a real setting). But first things first... EXILE TOMORROW!!

Last edited by ixfe; 05-06-2012 at 9:13 PM.
Old    BELEZA (beleza)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-06-2012, 9:46 PM Reply   
omg one of the sickest looking wakesetters I've seen. Congrats man
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-07-2012, 7:03 AM Reply   
Looks awesome!
Old    Justin (newmy79)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-07-2012, 7:06 AM Reply   
Very very nice. Love the trailer and wheels. That garage fitment sure is tight! Enjoy, I want to see more pics, especially once you get it back from Exile.
Old    Aaron (aarond0083)      Join Date: Apr 2007       05-07-2012, 7:29 AM Reply   
That is a sharp boat. Nice choice with the colors.
Old    D.F.T.R. Josh (downfortheride)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-07-2012, 8:58 AM Reply   
That's a hell of a nice looking WS! Congrats.
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       05-07-2012, 10:20 AM Reply   
That looks absolutely fantastic. The trailer is beautiful. Consider me jealous.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-07-2012, 3:58 PM Reply   
Beautiful looking boat. I love the colors you picked.
Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-08-2012, 9:38 AM Reply   
Does BU offer snap in carpet?
Old    Jay T. (wakebrdjay)      Join Date: Apr 2008       05-08-2012, 9:52 AM Reply   
Very nice!Also love the color.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-08-2012, 11:40 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddad View Post
Does BU offer snap in carpet?
Yes, they started offering the snap-in carpet in 2010, I think. But they still carpet the seat bases so that throws people off.

Look closely at my interior... you will notice that between the carpeted seat base and the snap in carpet there is a 1" gap.... that's the fiberglass floor peaking through. Most people choose a white floor so it's really noticeable. I chose a gray floor to make that gap less noticable.

I was super nervous about that choice, but I think it turned out nice, and it looks different than most other Bu's.





By contrast here's a more traditional Bu interior with a white floor...


Last edited by ixfe; 05-08-2012 at 11:43 AM.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-08-2012, 11:57 AM Reply   
Hey, GD...

One thing you and I have both mentioned about the Bu vs. MB interior is the lack of rear facing seat behind the driver. That was one of my favorite features on the MB and I always wondered why other boats didn't add that relatively easy change.

Well, I was in the new boat the other day with my wife. It was her first time to climb in and give her opinion (she generally stays pretty disconnected from my boat flipping). She's 5'8" and sat down in that rear corner with her legs stretched out forward toward the drivers seat where I was sitting... her first comment was, "This feels bigger than the MB... I could never stretch out my legs like this in this seat in our last boat." I came to the conclusion that while nice, that rear facing seat in the MB does eat up some of the seat surface potential. An adult can't stretch out there w/out bending your knees in the MB.

So it's a trade-off... where the MB gives one rear facing seat, the Bu gives you a little more room for butts or legs stretched out. Not a big deal, but worth noting since it comes up from time to time.

It might be interesting to take a tape measure to the interior of these boats. The Bu does feel a little bigger/wider inside than my F21. And the sun pad is certainly bigger. Also, the bow is noticable deeper than MB. Just some initial observations now that I have the new boat in the garage.
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       05-08-2012, 12:37 PM Reply   
What is your process for removing the swim platform and how big of a PITA is that?
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-08-2012, 2:26 PM Reply   
Woops... Looks like my free photobucket account is maxed out. Looks like its time to upgrade.

As for the platform, it's no big deal. Just pull two pins and lift the platform off the brackets. It's really no different than any other wake boat (except mc who has a cool swing down platform). It's a small price to pay to keep the boat inside our own garage.

You can do it with one person, but two is easier. The platform isn't so much heavy as it is awkward due to its size.
Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-08-2012, 3:33 PM Reply   
Quote:
So it's a trade-off... where the MB gives one rear facing seat, the Bu gives you a little more room for butts or legs stretched out.
YUP. But, IMO, rear faced seating is fantastically more important in a "tow" boat.
Old    Kronos (kronoss)      Join Date: Oct 2010       05-08-2012, 3:49 PM Reply   
upload your pics to http://premium.craigupload.com its my website, and i dont have any bandwidth limitations
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-08-2012, 4:57 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddad View Post
YUP. But, IMO, rear faced seating is fantastically more important in a "tow" boat.
If rear facing seating is so "fantastically important" why did you buy a boat that gives you exactly ONE incremental rear facing seat? Why not Nautique or Axis who are known for their rear facing seats?

Not trying to start a debate on this... you know how much I love the MB's interior layout, including that seat. I just never understood why rear facing seats are necessary to watch a rider? By that logic, how on earth do the rest of your passengers (the ones not sitting in that particular seat) manage to view the action? How hard is it for passengers to swivel their bodies / heads? Somehow we've always managed w/out rear facing seats... the Bu will be no different.

Is it a nice feature? Sure. You betcha. Is ONE rear facing a seat a deal breaker? Maybe for you it is. But not for me, especially recognizing that I get something in return for losing it.... 10-12" more butt space.

I will say this... My 10 year old son (age 7 in the pic below) is going to miss that spot... he "bombed" that area as his own from day 1.

Old    David Langston (rdlangston13)      Join Date: Feb 2011       05-08-2012, 5:14 PM Reply   
i never realized Axis was known for their rear facing seats...
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-08-2012, 5:17 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by kronoss View Post
upload your pics to http://premium.craigupload.com its my website, and i dont have any bandwidth limitations
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, even if I could go and upload all the pics from this thread, I can't update the links in this thread due to the 10 minute edit rule.

However, I created an account for good measure and will use it going forward.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-08-2012, 5:21 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlangston13 View Post
i never realized Axis was known for their rear facing seats...
I was referring to the "chillax" seating. It allows two passengers to sit on a bench facing the rear.

Old    Justin (newmy79)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-08-2012, 8:08 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ixfe View Post
I was referring to the "chillax" seating. It allows two passengers to sit on a bench facing the rear.

My Supra 21v has this. Love it!
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       05-08-2012, 9:12 PM Reply   
DBC, that is the "slide-box" seat, the "chillax" seating is in the walkthrough where the cushions fold up for a bow front-facing seat, and a cabin rear facing seat, but yes, it is nice. You can have 6 adults facing backwards... 3 next to the driver, 2 on the slide box bench (but they will not have a seat back, MC and nautique do and it is a cool feature), and one behind the driver. the driver seat is close enough to the bench end that the person behind the driver can use the driver seat as a seat back.

Back to your point, I never even thought about the leg room aspect as to why EVERY boat doesn't have the rear facing seat back behind the driver like MB and some others do, makes sense, and it is a trade off. As it is said here all the time, no perfect boat.
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       05-08-2012, 9:21 PM Reply   
here is my boat with both chillax seats up, showing my front bow sack, then the other pic is a before and after shot of the rear facing chillax seat from the internet
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Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-09-2012, 12:02 AM Reply   
To be clear, I was only saying that, for me, the rear facing seat behind the drivers seat is "fantastically more important" than allowing a passenger to sit forward facing behind the driver with their legs stretched out. This was my opinion toward your comparison. But, if you want me to compare it to other features, then I see rear faced seating as a nice feature towards the end of the list of wake, ballast, build, drive, tower, comfort, styling and price. I would put this in the comfort space. So, CC has some clear pros and cons there as we know. Lets get back to being excited for your new boat. It really is a sweet boat and you made some great choices.

Last edited by diamonddad; 05-09-2012 at 12:12 AM.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-09-2012, 12:26 AM Reply   
^^^ understand now. thanks for clarifying.
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-09-2012, 5:59 AM Reply   
I also have a VLX, no way i would ever want to give up that interior room for a rear facing seat.... also there are lots of time i want to swivel my drivers seat around and i feel like that would be right in the way!
Old    Michael Hunter (mhunter)      Join Date: Mar 2008       05-09-2012, 6:44 AM Reply   
I'm only posting this for clarification I'm not trying to hijack or start anything. To my knowledge its the only brand that has a seat back for every rear facing seat.





Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-09-2012, 8:43 AM Reply   
If I owned that CC, I would enjoy that observer side flip up seat but rarely use the middle bench in a rear facing configuration since I tend to run with 4 or 5 people. With 4 on the boat and 1in the water, I only need 3 rear facing options. In 2004 or so, I suggested that flip up side seat to the west coast sales dude (holding up their lift out side seat at the pleasanton boat show). Not sure if I had an impact on the innovatiion or not but I like it. I wonder if CC patended it.
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       05-09-2012, 9:00 AM Reply   
Moomba/Supra had ALL the rear facing seats on their Mobuis XLV years before Axis copied them. Not trying to start a fight, but they had the "Chilax" seat, the rear moveable seat (That also comes with the option to add on a back rest) and a flip up seat behind the driver. The area below the "chilax" seats is also closed so you can step on it, not wide open to the bags like on an Axis.

I think rear facing seats are great. No one ever complains about them, that's for sure.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       05-09-2012, 9:34 AM Reply   
Yeah I am not sure, but pretty sure Supra kind of started the double up seating. I can remember 2003 models had double up seating and I am sure they probably had it before then....

OK lets go back to the new VLX that just arrived. Funny how easy it is to get off track....
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       05-09-2012, 10:00 AM Reply   
Ya, that VLX is awesome. I like everything about it. I really like the Grey Gel coat between the carpets, I think that looks great. Can't wait to hear DBC's opinion of the wake compared to his MB.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-09-2012, 10:05 AM Reply   
Last thoughts (hopefully) on seating differences...

This is going to be fair and balanced, I promise. I'm at work, which is a product development environment, so I have that mentality right now. We debate stuff like this all the time.

I think we can all acknowledge that rear facing seats serve a functional purpose, but any product guy knows that when you make products "transformable" or try to design for lots of different usage models instead of optimizing for one, you have to make trade offs. This is true in all product catagories. It's up to each of us as consumers to decide if the flexibility is worth the trade off.

In this case (and the pictures above prove this out), a transformable seat takes away storage and requires a "harder" more "angled" interior (as opposed to "soft" and "rounded") to accomodate all the moving pieces. Nobody should take offense to that. There's nothing wrong with that. That's just a trade-off you make if you want the versatility of a boat that offers both lounge and rear-facing seating.

On the other hand, the Malibu looks to be designed with one usage model in mind... extreme comfort. The seat bottoms are deep, the back rests are comfortably angled, and the cushions are super thick. I hardly expect any passengers will complain in my boat either. If they do, they will find themselves back on the dock 5 minutes later.

Here's an analogy from another product industry I am fond of... Digital SLR cameras. Some guys like zoom lenses while others prefer prime lenses. Zoom vs. Prime is the classic trade-off that has been debated since the first zooms arrived on the market decades ago. Zoom lenses are more flexible but give inferior picture quality and aperture. The engineers who design zoom lenses simply can't optimize the optics for every possible focal length. On the other hand, a prime lens is less flexible, but you can achieve a wider aperture and know that your optics have been optimized for the lense's focal length. Thus, picture quality is better. The trade off is you have to use your feet as your zoom (similar to wake boat passengers pivoting their butts and heads toward the back of the boat).

Trade-offs in everything, except Miller Lite which tastes great while still being less filling.

Last edited by ixfe; 05-09-2012 at 10:11 AM.
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       05-09-2012, 11:19 AM Reply   
Miller Lite is disgusting.

/ discussion
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-09-2012, 12:46 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeff_mn View Post
miller lite is disgusting.

/ discussion
^^ +10
Old    D Hill (dhill)      Join Date: Aug 2010       05-09-2012, 1:18 PM Reply   
Quote:
Trade-offs in everything, except Miller Lite which tastes great while still being less filling.
^ +10 for miller lite.....quantity not quality

Last edited by dhill; 05-09-2012 at 1:18 PM. Reason: spelling
Old    Matt Johnston (mattjj23)      Join Date: May 2008       05-09-2012, 4:40 PM Reply   
In this economy, how can someone afford to get a new boat every year? In my opinion, it seems like the second you purchase a new boat, you are going to owe more on it than it is worth. What is the trick to always have a new boat?
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-09-2012, 4:50 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattjj23 View Post
In this economy, how can someone afford to get a new boat every year? In my opinion, it seems like the second you purchase a new boat, you are going to owe more on it than it is worth. What is the trick to always have a new boat?
Pay cash...
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       05-09-2012, 6:53 PM Reply   
Or make a couple hundred K per year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattjj23 View Post
In this economy, how can someone afford to get a new boat every year? In my opinion, it seems like the second you purchase a new boat, you are going to owe more on it than it is worth. What is the trick to always have a new boat?
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-09-2012, 8:39 PM Reply   
Two more factors...

Don't pay sales tax (i.e. live in Oregon)

New boat prices go up every year which keeps used boat values very strong.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-10-2012, 11:25 PM Reply   
As posted on Exile's FB page... here are pics from tonights 11pm sound check.

As you can see, I decided to stick with black cans, and couldn't be happier with the contrast.

I will be picking her up tomorrow... Thank you to Brian and his crew of pros!





Old    Matt (duckguy)      Join Date: Jul 2006       05-11-2012, 4:15 AM Reply   
The stickers on the back are also seemingly in contrast to what otherwise is a very classy looking boat.
Old    Anthony Spencer (cyclone18)      Join Date: Apr 2011       05-27-2012, 6:01 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ixfe View Post
Yes, they started offering the snap-in carpet in 2010, I think. But they still carpet the seat bases so that throws people off.

Look closely at my interior... you will notice that between the carpeted seat base and the snap in carpet there is a 1" gap.... that's the fiberglass floor peaking through. Most people choose a white floor so it's really noticeable. I chose a gray floor to make that gap less noticable.

I was super nervous about that choice, but I think it turned out nice, and it looks different than most other Bu's.





By contrast here's a more traditional Bu interior with a white floor...

nice, the grey looks good and as u said it blends in nice! i was just on the malibu site building a boat.. what colour grey is your floor?
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       05-28-2012, 4:52 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclone18 View Post
nice, the grey looks good and as u said it blends in nice! i was just on the malibu site building a boat.. what colour grey is your floor?
I believe it's "Light Graphite" but I'll have to check the P.O. when I get home.
Old    Anthony Spencer (cyclone18)      Join Date: Apr 2011       05-29-2012, 1:13 AM Reply   
k thanks

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