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Sometimes Dan.. I think your ideas are completely based in fantasy rather than logic.

Jake looked good I had it 2-1, he was getting beat in the third even before the slip. I don't know who said that was like the Condit fight nothing like it at all. I am a Sanchez fan cause he comes to fight but Jake was very much game, he could have taken Diego down and won the fight on the ground but he stayed in there and tried to end the fight. I thought it was a much better fight then Diaz/Condit and I would have rather paid for that then DIaz/Condit glad it was free now I don't feel as robbed by the Diaz/Condit fight. As far as Diego winning if it was 5, I don't know cause Jake still was ready to go he just got caught a couple times.

I wouldn't mind seeing Jake and that Danny Hendrickson (I think thats his name) guy that knolked out Fitch

Was it me or was Diego flat the first two? It's like all of a sudden in the 3rd his red bull kicked in... Not to mention he looked softer than usual. No h0m0.

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I just got to watch the fight between Sonnen and Bisbing. I thought someone on here said Sonnen couldnt take him down? Sonnen took him down 5 times. I had it a very close fight but thought Sonnen eeked out the win. Was impressed with Bisbing though as much as I can't stand the guy. I must say Chael looked wierd and acted even wierder. He is either a genious to get people talking about him or a freaking idiot totally self absorbed. Did you see him take the mich from Rogan? Funny stuff but bizarre.

Sonnen is a genius manipulator and hype creator. He's not an idiot.. he's brilliant at marketing fights and making himself as much money as possible.

Erik, you're referring to Johny Hendricks, I believe.

Sonnen is quite brilliant in many things. He looked rusty against Bisbing which was probably due to the 18 month lay off. Bisbing looked much better than I expected.

Either way - Those two guys won't even be able to carry Silva's belt into the area. Won't be a fight. Good news is that Silva may finally seal Sonnen's mouth permanently in Brazil.

Same goes with Diego/Jake - Neither guy could hold GSP's belt into the ring.

Kind of crazy if you look at the champs right now how dominant they are. The only division that keeps flip flopping in Heavyweight.

I think there will be a new light weight champ next weekend. I think Henderson is a beast.

I agree... I think Ben Henderson might actually give Frankie Edgar a run for his money.

Yhea Ben takes it this weekend and than Frankie goes down in weight where he "fits". Amazing how small he is, but how damn good he is. I think Ben is on the lin of Also and JBJ, he is sick. His time is coming for sure.

Decent card - Looking forward to it.

You guys playing undisputed? Pretty fun. Ground stuff is much harder, but the versatility of knees, cage, and pride stuff is fun.

i love Henderson he is a contender for sure, but man Edgar has the biggest heart in all MMA, you arent gonna beat him unless you knock him out or break a limb. As good as Henderson is i am not sure I would bet against Frankie Edgar. The weird thing is I don't think Frankie really gets the respect he deserves. Maybe it's because he just has the baby face and looks nothing like what a fighter should look like. He is fast quick and is good any where the fight goes. Henderson thinks he will get Edgar on the ground, I am not so sure Edgar won't pull a GSP and take Henderson down right out of the gate. Should be one of the best fights this year.

Benson is gonna tear him up on the floor..

I'm not discounting Edgar at all. Plenty of people have discounted him throughout his title reign and yet he always finds a way to win. I think it will be a close fight and I don't expect either fighter to run away with it. Henderson is a really good fighter.. but he's nowhere near the status of Aldo or JBJ. He hasn't done anything yet to warrant that comparison.

Ben is 14-1, only loss was the Pettis wall walk kick. He was ahead on the cards until then.. If he was coming in 15-0 as the former WEC champ, we might think of him differently and compare him to the greats.

I love his style. Relenetless, fast paced. I read a stat about him that he is the hardest man in the UFC to submit. He has escaped 28 legit submission attempts in his Zuffa time. That's probably half good thing (great defense) and half bad (puts himself in bad positions).

I love Bendo. One of my favorites. Hoping he does well, great fight and he walks away with the win. I'd like to see Edgar at 45' as everyone has said.

Jeff,
I think Ben is going to beat Edgar, but to say he was ahead in the fight with Pettis until the kick is just not true. At best that fight was tied heading to the final round, but I believe and must would agree Pettis was winning that fight even before the show time kick. Since that fight Ben has looked dominate. Maybe that loss refocused him. I expect Ben to control Edgar. Although like everyone says I thought Edgar was done in the last two Maynard fights and he has pulled of some great comebacks.

On paper this is a great card. I guess I will be forced to take BCPMike's money again. I know you guys are all scientific in your assessments of these fights and I truly respect that but I am all for the "GUT CALL". Bendo makes it exciting but Edgar is hard to kill (even though I hate the guy). I think it is close, neither guy gets finished and the judges stick with Edgar.

Just as a Fan I hope Rampage does well but he is fighting a great wrestler in Bader. Although I see Bader as the future and Rampage as the past I still would love to see Rampage knock him out.

Originally Posted by jeff_mn

I love his style. Relenetless, fast paced. I read a stat about him that he is the hardest man in the UFC to submit. He has escaped 28 legit submission attempts in his Zuffa time. That's probably half good thing (great defense) and half bad (puts himself in bad positions).

How many were in that first Cerrone fight?

Originally Posted by norcalrider

How many were in that first Cerrone fight?

About 6578 if I recall correctly.

I hope you guys got this card. It was great! Some great action and comebacks. That Pettis kick was very pretty as was the up kick by Henderson. I am ready for Pettis vs Henderson 2.

I am kicking myself for not getting it. Every person i talked to said it was an amazing night of fights. Henderson is the shizzzle. So what was the Petis kick this time?

HOLY SHIZA. What a card! Pettis and Henderson were SICK. The Edger Hendo fight was very close/even, but Henderson pushed the pace and had nice octagon control. Not to mention the upkick of the decade. I am still trying to take it all end, but almost every fight was great.

Jake Shields was boring, but winner.

Be back later in the week with more time.

Who did Jake Shields fight? I didnt even know he was fighting. He needed that win or i think they would have dropped him. What is going on with Mayhem? After his last fight with Bisbing I thought they may drop him he looked so bad.

Originally Posted by poser007

Who did Jake Shields fight? I didnt even know he was fighting. He needed that win or i think they would have dropped him. What is going on with Mayhem? After his last fight with Bisbing I thought they may drop him he looked so bad.

He fougth Akiyama. They both "needed" wins. I have a feeling it wsa a loser leaves town match. they are paying both of them big $$.

Mayhem has a fight scheduled for May. He is fighting CB Dollaway.

They considered dropping him - but he is a fan favorite. especially with the hardcore guys. I hope he puts on a better showing. He has looked fantastic a few times in the past and also put up a few stinkers.

So, some big fights coming up!

Anyone else picking Rashad over Jones? I think I am!

In other news, UFC 146 is on the horizon...all heavyweight main card, with Dos Santos vs. The Reem for the title. NSAC took advantage of them all being in Nevada for the press conference and tested all the heavyweights. I told my wife that someone is pissing hot.

It was just announced Overeem failed his test (shocker). Elevated T/E ratio.

So, he has to appear before the NSAC and explain if he wants to get licensed. I don't think that'll happen.

Get ready for dos santos/Cain 2 or dos santos/Mir instead.

I think Fedor would be the better replacement and get more draw.

Not surprised by the Overeem results.

Originally Posted by ripr

So, some big fights coming up!

Anyone else picking Rashad over Jones? I think I am!

In other news, UFC 146 is on the horizon...all heavyweight main card, with Dos Santos vs. The Reem for the title. NSAC took advantage of them all being in Nevada for the press conference and tested all the heavyweights. I told my wife that someone is pissing hot.

It was just announced Overeem failed his test (shocker). Elevated T/E ratio.

So, he has to appear before the NSAC and explain if he wants to get licensed. I don't think that'll happen.

Get ready for dos santos/Cain 2 or dos santos/Mir instead.

Jones is going to do Rashad so ugly it wont even be funny.. After the fight - Rashad is going to drop down to 185 so he doesn't have to face Jones again and he will leave the Blackzillians and come back to Jacksons..

Early word is that Frank Mir is the man for the job.. I'll take Mir by kneebar.

UFC 158 discuss...

Anyone see the press conference? Diaz got almost all the questions, just ridiculous amounts of stuff circling this fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36YMv...layer_embedded

Diaz is my second favorite personality in MMA! Is freakin comedy watching him play this game...he's playing us all!

....I hope he wins so we can watch Dana squirm.

Really looking forward to the Hendricks/Condit fight tho!!

Can't say I'm surprised by the outcome, pretty much exactly how I thought GSP/Diaz fight would go. Even as a GSP fan I have to say his fights are getting almost too scientific in his approach/execution.

The Condit/Hendricks fight on the other hand was awesome. With 5 rounds, I think Condit would have taken that fight. Even with 3 I had it really close. I think the UFC scores take downs a little too highly because even though Hendricks took Condit down, Condit did more damage off his back and worked for the escape the entire time, the take downs really didn't do any damage.

Going in, I was cheering for Diaz. By the end of the match, I'm glad GSP made him suffer through 5 rounds. His antics, excluding the last two rounds, when the bell rang at the end of each round displayed some horrible sportsmanship. Of course, this could've been apart of the act, but still crossed the line.

On another note, any of ya'll watch Ultimate Fighter? This season has been a doozy.

I agree the GSP Diaz fight was ok in my book but we have learned that regardless of what GSP says or how they try and hype the fight, GSP is going to fight a technical fight. That being said I noticed for the first time george getting tired. When is the last time you saw GSP go for a take down and not be able to get it? He even said in the press conference he was tired in the 3rd round and he thought it was weird. Maybe he had an adrenaline dump who knows.

The Condit Hendricks fight was awesome. I thought hendricks did pull it out with the tkae downs but I thought if the fight went much longer Condit may have taken it. Funny all the hyyoe about hendricks stand up yet he wanted to take it to the ground after standing with Condit for a while. I think hendricks will be the biggest threat to GSP so far. Hendricks showed amazing take downs and he poses some crazy power how le lunges into his punches. It is going to be interesting to see how GSP plays this fight. It will be tough wherever the fight goes.

Cards for the month of April, 3 free, 1 pay-per-view:

Jon Jones vs Chael Sonnen
Benson Henderson vs Gilbert Melendez
Daniel Cormier vs Frank Mir
Urijah Faber vs Scott Jorgensen
Alexander Gustaffson vs Gegard Mousasi
TUF Finale
Alan Belcher vs Michael Bisping
Nate Diaz vs Josh Thompson
Phil Davis vs Vinny Magalhaes
Pat Healy vs Jim Miller
Chiek Kongo vs Roy Nelson
Mike Easton vs Brad Pickett
Travis Browne vs Gabriel Gonzaga
Matt Brown vs Dan Hardy
Diego Brandao vs Pablo Garza

^^Free and some good name fights? Sounds like a deal to me. I think Jones is going to obliterate Sonnen.

So did anyone else think the Jones vs. Sonnen fight would go any differently? Sonnen had absolutely nothing for Jones, just a mauling. So the fact that Silva's weakness seems to be strong wrestlers, and Jones dominated a strong wrestler, it makes the Silva vs. Jones match up more interesting.

We'll have to see how Silva vs. Weidman goes but right now I'm giving the edge Jones if the fight happens.

Oh, and what was with the eye poke fest?

What a strange night of fights. Two major nasty broken digits, major eye poking, generally a weak card, bad ref'ing and bruce buffer making his first mistake caught on TV. The whole night we were in shock of just how strange it was. It really took away from some quality performances.

The thing with chael is that he is a very legit like #3-4 guy in each division. Kind of like Faber and Edger. They are right there at the top, but the current champs are just plain superior to the rest of their divisions. It is actually crazy that his skill-set is very known yet he has the ability to win until the top.

I think the super fight happens at this point and late this year or even New Years. John Jones is so fast, strong, big and heavy and more importantly YOUNG. I think if he chooses he could dump Anderson on his back and keep him there for 5 rounds. I also thing is length and speed he can keep outside of Anderson. I think the same if Anderson and GSP were to fight - I think anderson being the bigger man could deal with GSP. Also have to keep in mind that Anderson is not that young and really has not been challenged in years, much like Jones or GSP. they are just elite athletes. Probably have to throw Aldo in that same talk as he will likely be on a long run.

Lots of good fights next few months that should shape a few things up.

Jones vs. Silva makes perfect sense to me. I have this gut feeling that Jones will show everyone that Anderson Silva is human.

Originally Posted by jeff_mn

Wonder what's next for Jones? I'm sure he'll get the winner of Rashad and Davis.. So he'll be fighting Rashad.. I don't think he'll have any problem with Evans.. What's next? He's essentially went THROUGH the entire talent pool. As much of a Hendo nut rider as I am - he doesn't have a prayer. I know that "MMA Math" doesn't work but Jones buzzed right through Shogun and Hendo went 5 rounds to war with him.. Hendo wouldn't have anything for Jones. Styles make fights - and that fight doesn't favor Hendo..

So what's next? Thiago Silva is finally off suspension - but he'll need at LEAST 1-2 "tune up" fights to get rid of ring rust and get back onto to the radar.. And then the reality sets in that Thiago has NOTHING for Jones.. Nothing. And I love Thiago.. So what's in the pipe at 205? No one can convince me that a Gustaffson or something along those lines is going to put up a challenge for him.. Are we going to start recycling guys ala 170 with GSP? See another fight against Shogun or Rampage or PeePee Drinker? Hope not!

They need to bring in some other talent or have someone from HW cut down to LHW.. I'd like to see a Mousasi or a Lawal or hell - even a Hector Lombard just to get some new blood in there..

Jones is gonna be champ for as long as he wants.. His only challenge will be the fact that he's still young and he's SO big for the weight class. As we get older, it's harder to stay light. I think he'll either move up to HW eventually or he'll dominate at 205 for 4-5 more fights and retire and go persue something else.


155.. The revolving door will soon start there as well. it's just TOO deep.. Bendo is going to beat Edgar. Fact. He's not much of a finisher and not much of a striker. His ground game is absolutely top notch. Insane pace, great sub game and wicked GNP.. I always thought Edgar was a "soft" champ anyways. He'll lose to Bendo and then move down to 145 immediately and fight in his proper weight class. I predict hit or miss success with him. But 155 gets so crazy and so dicey. So many guys that could be the next guy on any given night. Youv'e got Guida, Guillard, Miller, Bendo, Edgar and then you have a bunch of fringe guys who could strike at anytime as well.. Will Gil Melendez make it over eventually? I think yes. I say he defends the SF belt ONE more time and then comes over. He can beat anyone on any night but he's not unbeatable by any stretch. He lost to Josh Thomson who is far from a world beater. I think he's benefitted greatly from beating B level talent.

145? Crapshoot. Obviously Aldo is a stud but he's shown some chinks in his armor. Who knows how that will play out. I say he's champ and beats 2 more guys. if a guy like Mendes can't get it done - most guys probably won't. You definitely won't outstrike him, it would take a grappler with good submissions to tap him so we'll see if a TRUE wrestle**** fighter with GNP like Mendes can do it.. After those two - it's a revolving door. Anyone on any given night might get a shot..

Interesting things coming up. Japanese MMA is all but dead. Dream on NYE was meh at best. Aoki match was fun to see and part of me will always hope Fedor gets a win.. I doubt we'll see mroe than 3 shows from Dream this year and nothing from Sengoku has impressed in 2 years now.. What will Bellator do? My guess is nothing but become a home for foreign B level guys (they seem to be LOVING the Brazilians lately) and be a falling space for UFC cast offs. I don't see the UFC stealign ANY of their talent. I'm not sure their top talent is really top talent at all.. Alvarez and Chandler are obviously solid fighters but are they guys who would beat Bendo or Miller or XYZ? Maybe, maybe not. Aoki beat Alvarez and Aoki has had mixed success against top dogs NOT from Japan.. Hector Lombar while exciting is a product of matchmaking - "I'll fight anywhere, anytime! As long as it's someone far past their prime, new to MMA, undersized or oversized".. M'Pumba couldn't even get passed my boy Travis who couldn't hack it in the big leagues in the UFC. There is no hope there for transplants..

Posted in January of 2012..... 15 months ago...

WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME????

Originally Posted by lizzyb

Jones vs. Silva makes perfect sense to me. I have this gut feeling that Jones will show everyone that Anderson Silva is human.

wont even be close.. Jones will beat him worse than most of the people he's already beat.. 1 sided..

Honestly at this point if I were Anderson Silva I would take the GSP fight it's alot safer for him. Why ***** your career by going up against a guy like Jones? The fight that makes the most sense to me for Jones is Cain Velasquez. It makes more sense. First Cain is only a couple years older then Jones so they are both young fighters. Cain is an animal standing and on the ground. Jones is also strong standing and amazing on the ground. Jones was giving an interview the other day and said that he normally walks around between 225-230 but even then he is very lean. Cain walks around at about the same weight he fights at which is around 247ish. SO basically the Cain and Jones fight would make way more sense. We have had several heavyweights like Couture 220 Vera 220 even Dos Santos would come in around 232 when he first came into the octagon Jones could eaisly come in at 230 235ish and be a great heavy weight. The only 205ers he hasnt met are the tall swede I forget his name right now and Textera Glover. I would rather see Jones fight Cain then anyone else.

BTW I have to say there is nobody in the UFC that uses their elbows like jon jones does. Those things are like razors when he is on top and reigning those damn things down on you. At this point I would like to see Jones be challenged or beaten. I think if he fought Silva as long as the fight stayed standing Silva could beat him...but I am pretty sure Jones would get him to the ground and reign down those ridiculous elbows . On another note..I just found out Jon Fitch was let go.....Honestly I think Dana White needs to have his head examined.

They were paying Fitch $90k per fight, he's as exciting as watching paint dry and he was a pain in the ass to work with..

JD - No more boring then GSP's fights. So basically if GSP losses 2 fights they cut him? Ridiculous

Originally Posted by poser007

JD - No more boring then GSP's fights. So basically if GSP losses 2 fights they cut him? Ridiculous

The difference is that GSP puts asses in the seats and Fitch didn't..