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Old    Nick911            01-10-2012, 1:21 PM Reply   
haha getting mad guys? I'm completely okay with the situation, looks like you guys aren't. Some advice I've been given to help me handle such situations: "Never hate those people who are jealous of you but respect their jealousy because they are the ones who think that you are better than them."

Case in point here guys, read back the last 30 post. All you'll see is condescending comments towards me and MC, and for that matter any other brand at the top of the price range. Guys have even made fun of me for liking tubing. I was being constructive and neutral the entire time.

It's you guys that think I'm better than you; not me thinking I'm better than you.

It all makes sense now...
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-10-2012, 1:57 PM Reply   
I'm not jealous at all, I feel bad for you. Everyone here just about hates you.
Old    Dave Diaz (wakebrdr94)      Join Date: Jul 2010       01-10-2012, 2:46 PM Reply   
2012 is here, and MC has gone back to the drawing board. Enjoy your 2012 when you get it in december. I can't even fathom not being worried about buying a boat they unveiled, then said we got it wrong. So how long do you go without a boat, while they keep your deposit?
Old    Dave Diaz (wakebrdr94)      Join Date: Jul 2010       01-10-2012, 2:57 PM Reply   
"Enjoy your value boat" isn't neutral or constructive, its your attempt at trying to put down people who chose not to buy what you think is the best. And technically, you still don't own a boat. How's that working out for you?
Old    Nick911            01-10-2012, 3:18 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplej View Post
Everyone here just about hates you.
I don't hate you guys. It's you guys that think I'm better than you, not me.

Old    Bruizza (bruizza)      Join Date: May 2009       01-10-2012, 3:30 PM Reply   
I think most of us just think you are douchebag.
Old    Sean (slax303)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-10-2012, 3:37 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick911 View Post
I don't hate you guys. It's you guys that think I'm better than you, not me.

I dont know you, and I haven't been in this discussion at all, but you sure are annoying. It has nothing to do with jealousy. You've just come in to almost every thread needing to justify your boat's company (or soon to be boat?) and how great it is/you are compared to everyone else. It's a classic symptom of low self esteem. You need to put down others, and need people to see how great you are. You need people to believe that you have a lot of money. You buy a Mastercraft, which is one of the most expensive boats, and put down any other boat that isn't the original "big 3"

Nobody here knows you, you don't have to try and be cool. Give it a rest. Everybody has different taste
Old    David Langston (rdlangston13)      Join Date: Feb 2011       01-10-2012, 4:07 PM Reply   
I have a Moomba, used one at that. I must be a nothing ahahaa
Old    rod (rodltg2)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-10-2012, 4:16 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplej View Post
You picked MC that's great, good for you, you have no right to decide what boats are cheap or not simply because you bought the most expensive one. In some areas of the states mcs cost more than houses... You've gotta respect the people that own 'lesser' boats than you because they are working their asses off to afford them and they Are doing all they can to contribute to the sport.

And you're perverted view of value is irritating. Value is getting the baddest boat you can buy for as little money. Value doesn't mean cheap.

This is what you're paying for:
No, I think this is what He's paying for
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Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-10-2012, 5:13 PM Reply   
Nick i'm not mad at you or even jealous of you.If you really knew me you would really be Jealous!There is no sense in me telling you all the expensive toys i have and all the investments i have and things i could buy.I do what makes me happy.We respect the fact you think only a Mastercraft can make you happy.We just don't understand why you think were STUPID and JEALOUS.Quite the contrary were happy "BOAT OWNERS" who thoughtfully shopped all the brands.Did our research.Tested our decision for hundreds of enjoyable hours.While having the time of our life.Lets look at your experience and Qualifications..................................Ho w long have you owned your Mastercraft?How many troublefree hours are on it?How many other brands have you owned?How many hours did you put on them?
1-ANSWER=Somewhat knowledgeable
2-ANSWERS=Average knowledge
3-ANSWERS=Above average knowledge
4-ANSWERS=Very well Informed on the subject
0-Arrogant idiot with NO common sense
Old    Cory D (cadunkle)      Join Date: Jul 2009       01-10-2012, 6:57 PM Reply   
Well this thread certainly turned around. It's winter though, we do this every winter because we can't ride and get cranky after a few months. lol

We're not all rich, and the $18k Bayliner comment... I couldn't afford an $18k Bayliner! lol Heck, my boat, car, truck, and bike probably are barely worth more than that put together... But they're all paid for and my old Supra with a few sacks does what I need it to. I'd love to paint my truck, or finish restoring my car, but that means no gas money for a summer. It's all in what you value and prioritize.

When i comment on new boats I just comment on what I like or don't like. I like the long raked out bow but the tower and some of the styling cues I think are gaudy. Just my two cents, but I've always drove 60s vehicles or 70s bikes... I like classic styling and that's lacking is most new boats. New stuff is just "mee too" to my eyes.
Old    Nick911            01-10-2012, 8:05 PM Reply   
Investments CWB?

Maybe we do have something in common...

I like resource equities and real estate. I have some forex exposure too just through trading stocks in foreign markets. I've been trending to real estate and Canadian blue chips though admittedly I'm not as diversified as I should be. I'm still in my 20's though so my risk appetite is higher as I can weather economic cycles by virtue of time alone. I'm putting the pieces together on developing some mobile home parks as well which are a cash cows in this economy but am meeting obstacles in the re-zoning process. I was able to secure a builder though that will sell me the homes on a volume discount which I'll then sell to the buyer at retail. I did get lucky early on admittedly, caught real estate on the upswing, and sold my stocks all the way down in 2008 only to buy them all back right at the bottom. My next play is senior homes in the US but I'm waiting to see what goes on with the presidency. I'm concerned about the socialistic leanings of your president.

So now tell me what you got on the go? What kind of toys?

And for the record, I don't consider the purchase of any boat a sound investment...from a financial sense anyways.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-10-2012, 8:18 PM Reply   
You haven't answered the questions.Your asking questions.What qualifies you to give us advice?We are experienced BOAT OWNERS.So far all you have produced is Hot Air.
Old    Victor Imondi (imondi)      Join Date: Aug 2010       01-10-2012, 8:21 PM Reply   
http://youtu.be/gI-HmEGCib4

Anybody else getting this vibe?? HAHA
Old    Nick911            01-10-2012, 8:38 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by cwb4me View Post
You haven't answered the questions.Your asking questions.What qualifies you to give us advice?We are experienced BOAT OWNERS.So far all you have produced is Hot Air.
I grew up on boats and have personally owned one for the last 2 years. I sold my last sterndrive (drove the I/O because at the time we were on a very shallow lake) and ordered the 25 as we spend our time now on a deeper lake. I also have a business degree and am working on an online MBA therefore consider myself able to speak intelligently regarding MC's marketing and sales.

Wanna hear about my college hockey career, my 3.9 GPA, about always being on top? Give me the opportunity I love talking about myself.

Anything else you wanna know champ?
Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-10-2012, 8:47 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick911 View Post
I grew up on boats and have personally owned one for the last 2 years. I sold my last sterndrive (drove the I/O because at the time we were on a very shallow lake) and ordered the 25 as we spend our time now on a deeper lake. I also have a business degree and am working on an online MBA therefore consider myself able to speak intelligently regarding MC's marketing and sales.

Wanna hear about my college hockey career, my 3.9 GPA, about always being on top? Give me the opportunity I love talking about myself.

Anything else you wanna know champ?
I don't think you realize how insecure you sound bragging and saying you're always on top on an internet forum. Kind of pathetic...
Old    Dave Diaz (wakebrdr94)      Join Date: Jul 2010       01-10-2012, 8:47 PM Reply   
Cory,
I see your point to my bayliner comment. 18k is still a good chunk of change. I merely comparing the price of a new x star to a "lesser" new boat. I'd still rather spend 5k and have an inboard, but that's my opinion. Wasn't meant to be elitest.

As for nick, still calling BS. Uses daddy's money.... we have a buddy who's parents do they same thing, just put money in his bank account, and he calls himself a day trader. "You can put a piece of ***** in a fancy box, but it's still a piece a *****" ~ Tommy Boy. Love that movie!
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-10-2012, 8:47 PM Reply   
"Hype sells Boats". "The boat on the lake" "Bottom line price". "Mastercraft isn't for 20 to 30 somethings" "Sell a ton". "Mastercraft charges a premium"
We can tell your a Rookie and Full of BS.Remember Knowledge is power and you sound weak.Don't worry Boat Ownership will help with your experience.......................If you ever get one.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-10-2012, 9:05 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick911 View Post
I grew up on boats and have personally owned one for the last 2 years. I sold my last sterndrive (drove the I/O because at the time we were on a very shallow lake) and ordered the 25 as we spend our time now on a deeper lake. I also have a business degree and am working on an online MBA therefore consider myself able to speak intelligently regarding MC's marketing and sales.

Wanna hear about my college hockey career, my 3.9 GPA, about always being on top? Give me the opportunity I love talking about myself.

Anything else you wanna know champ?
Yes.Why haven't you answered my set of questions?If you truely are all knowing,why didn't you know BILL DAD is Harley Cliffords dad?I too grew up with a boat,but i could admit it was my Dads boat.I too OWNED a stern drive for my first boat.That was back in 1989.I have owned V-drives since 1992.We all agree Mastercraft builds a great boat.It's just a shame that your 3.9 GPA doesn't allow you to realize it's over priced.Also Hockey is played on ice and you don't use a boat to play Hockey.So that experience doesn't count.As for speaking intelligently........i don't see ANYONE in your corner...........GOOD LUCK !
Old    Nick911            01-10-2012, 9:21 PM Reply   
The original debate is regarding MC's pricing. Any first year biz student knows price is determined by market, and, "the market is always right." Any boat is worth what someone is willing to pay, much like a stock. To call a commodity "overpriced" is to say there are no buyers. MC sales trail only Malibu, another premium brand, so, is CWB right, or, is 200 years of economic theory and x-thousand consumers right?

Is anyone paying a premium for Bu, MC, or CC overpaying? Not according to the market, and certainly not according to market share.

I think maybe your error CWB is not factoring in name recognition or prestige to price. Brand is extremely important in the sales game. It may not be important to you, but it is to some. How else do you explain someone paying 2K for a purse because it says "Prada" on it, or 100 bucks for a LaCoste t-shirt because there is a little alligator on it?
Old    Nick911            01-10-2012, 9:30 PM Reply   
And yes, haha, hockey and boating have nothing in common. Touché.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-11-2012, 5:14 AM Reply   
You keep avoiding the original set of questions.I have all the answers i need from your responses though.Enjoy your new toy,but please don't tell anyone else how they should enjoy their leisure time or what they should own.Since you still have no experience with wakeboats.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       01-11-2012, 6:34 AM Reply   
Old    DeeCee (jaybee)      Join Date: Aug 2007       01-11-2012, 6:46 AM Reply   
Nick, I can assure you there are plenty of people on this board that are probably more well off than you and the fact that they have not pulled their dong out should really say something. You sound like a ***** and continue to give us MC owners a bad name. Thanks guy!
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       01-11-2012, 6:49 AM Reply   
Nick, please NEVER leave this forum.... please.
Old    Nick911            01-11-2012, 6:49 AM Reply   
What matters here, CWB, is your assertation that MC's are overpriced. I proved you wrong citing pricing theory and market economics using tangible facts and information that any first year business or economics student would know. So maybe you have more wakeboat experience then me, bravo, but even that won't last, and then what will you have?

The proliferation of luxury and lifestyle branding is going nowhere fast and has survived the worst economic downturn since the 1930's. Let's make the distinction between "overpriced" for you and overpriced for the "market."

Anything else you wanna add? Or are you just gonna make a "daddy's money" or "tubing" joke?

Congrats again on your expensive toys and investments. I'm hope you have someone with more economic knowledge than you do managing your money for you.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-11-2012, 7:05 AM Reply   
Nick I don't have to pull out my dong to show you anything.You already are a legend in your own mind.Wake up for just one minute and count how many other Wakeworlders are on your bus.Turn your head and look around your driving an empty bus.
Old    Tuneman (tuneman)      Join Date: Mar 2002       01-11-2012, 7:33 AM Reply   
The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Old    - (Txjole)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-11-2012, 8:14 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaybee View Post
Nick, I can assure you there are plenty of people on this board that are probably more well off than you and the fact that they have not pulled their dong out should really say something. You sound like a ***** and continue to give us MC owners a bad name. Thanks guy!
Could not agree more! It will come with age I hope.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       01-11-2012, 8:29 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick911 View Post
The original debate is regarding MC's pricing. Any first year biz student knows price is determined by market, and, "the market is always right."
You might have heard this story before... but maybe not?

http://deoxy.org/emperors.htm
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       01-11-2012, 8:42 AM Reply   
Good read........ How much further in does this thread have to go to add him to the top 5?
Lon
RyanXstar
Dan Dulong
Old    Cody (loudontn)      Join Date: Feb 2005       01-11-2012, 8:50 AM Reply   
I'm convinced this guy is giving us his dad's resume.

Diggs - RyanXstar may have met his match.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-11-2012, 9:01 AM Reply   
This definitely goes into the WW classics!
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       01-11-2012, 9:18 AM Reply   
Maybe you don't remember "Level 10" or it was before your time.

"Any first year biz student knows price is determined by market"

I'm going to one-up you Nick. I learned that one without going to school.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-11-2012, 9:25 AM Reply   
When will you learn. Your Internet dong is big, no one really cares. You dropped an unnecessary amount of money on a boat, good for you, no one cares.
You're lack of confidence is evident by the way you have to toot your own horn. Oh and I think it's very funny how scared you got when a few x-25 horror stories popped up and you ran over to team talk an started a thread because you clearly weren't confident in your purchase, they built you back up and now you're back here criticizing value boats and tooting your own horn.
You're giving MC owners a bad name.

Back to x star: the more I look at the more I like it, but the more I realize the boat simply is not that practical for the average wakeboarder, it's for someone who is pro or going to be a pro not the average wakeboarder. The boats gadgets are
Silly, the seat humps are silly. The whole thing is ridiculous, but if you're a pro you can roll it without looking like a fool.
Old    Brad Riddick (riddick)      Join Date: Jan 2010       01-11-2012, 9:57 AM Reply   
Hahahahahahahahahahaha.....Hahahahahahaha

Wow.

Professionalism goes a long way in business and in life in general. I think you might of missed that class...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkC2O...eature=related
Old    Tommy G (tommyg)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-11-2012, 1:34 PM Reply   
Hey, there's a picture of a picklefork MC on the 1st page of this thread, and it looks as though it's not a picklefork from the picture angle. Check it out!
Old    Andy Graham (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-11-2012, 1:46 PM Reply   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2VwnBU1-iU
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       01-11-2012, 2:35 PM Reply   
Lol @ tommy g
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       01-11-2012, 3:44 PM Reply   
Is the "online MBA" supposed to impress us too? Seems like an odd choice for somebody so wrapped up in brand perceptions.

Nick, why didn't you spend as much $$ on your education as your new boat? With your 3.9 GPA and illustrious college hockey career, I'm sure you could have been accepted into a legitamate MBA program... the kind that doesn't require a wifi connection, but actually face-to-face learning and networking. The brand value alone of a top-10 program is worth the price of admission. You of all people should understand that. Isn't that why you bought an MC...? Brand name...?

I'm not trying to be rude, like some others. As an MBA grad myself, I'm genuinely curious.

For the record, I like MC.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-11-2012, 3:58 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ottog1979 View Post
Nick sure did look good in the intro's.You could tell he was proud of himself and his long hair.In the real world[the circle of spectators]his education didn't help much.Looked like a one punch knockout to me.LOL
Old    Bryce Stevens (SS_Hooke102)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-11-2012, 4:21 PM Reply   
Before I state my opinion, let it be known, I am a 19 year old college student. My dad owns a mastercraft, he has been a mastercraft owner for the entirety of my life on the water. I am a Mastercraft fan, I think they are a solid company, this is not to say that other companies are not (Malibu, MB, Axis, Moomba, Tige, Sanger...). We have had nothing but good luck with our boats and they are built fairly well from my understanding seeing as how the last 15 years that I have been driving, riding in and behind these have been awesome. The problem is, when it comes to the new X-star it is simply not realistic price wise. The x-star is designed to be a wake specific boat, for the more hard core wake enthusiast. From my experience most people with the amount of money to purchase this boat have no desire to be a more hard core wake enthusiast. There are exceptions to that rule and if you are that exception more power to you. My hope for when I graduate school is that mastercraft will at some point create a "rider's edition x-star" (which we all know will probably never happen) this star would follow in the same line as the axis to malibu, killer hull with out all the unnecessary trinkets. After all that is just my two cents, and can only be counted as such...
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       01-11-2012, 5:10 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SS_Hooke102 View Post
Before I state my opinion, let it be known, I am a 19 year old college student. My dad owns a mastercraft, he has been a mastercraft owner for the entirety of my life on the water. I am a Mastercraft fan, I think they are a solid company, this is not to say that other companies are not (Malibu, MB, Axis, Moomba, Tige, Sanger...). We have had nothing but good luck with our boats and they are built fairly well from my understanding seeing as how the last 15 years that I have been driving, riding in and behind these have been awesome. The problem is, when it comes to the new X-star it is simply not realistic price wise. The x-star is designed to be a wake specific boat, for the more hard core wake enthusiast. From my experience most people with the amount of money to purchase this boat have no desire to be a more hard core wake enthusiast. There are exceptions to that rule and if you are that exception more power to you. My hope for when I graduate school is that mastercraft will at some point create a "rider's edition x-star" (which we all know will probably never happen) this star would follow in the same line as the axis to malibu, killer hull with out all the unnecessary trinkets. After all that is just my two cents, and can only be counted as such...
Dude, why did you have to go ruin our generalization of Mastercraft owners You are way too level headed for a 19 year old. I think you kind of answered yourself in your post. Mastercraft is not a core wakeboard boat company. They seem to be marketing to the rich doctor, lawyer, businessmen, etc... I don't necessarily think there is anything wrong with that, especially if they are making more money doing it. I like the X2, X15 and the 2011 prior xstar a lot. The reason I would never own one, besides never being able to afford one, is I don't like the gotti/goddi appearance of them. They throw a bunch of "features" on them so they can warrant their increased price but in reality these features don't do anything to the function of the boat. For some it may be exactly what they are looking for. for me it is not. I like simple, clean, timeless, reliable, solid, etc....
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-11-2012, 5:21 PM Reply   
For the record.I think Mastercraft builds a excellent product with the best wake i've boarded behind and i've ridden behind most[not Axis,Epic and Moomba].All i'm saying is i can't justify the price DIFFERENCE.Mainly because i have never been nor ever will be a professional Wakeboarder.All the other boats perform quite well for quite a bit less money.
Old    Bryce Stevens (SS_Hooke102)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-11-2012, 8:43 PM Reply   
@ Brett- I agree with you completely, it was more of a hope i guess, I would just hate to see a good boat completely price it self out of the market...
Old    - (Txjole)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-12-2012, 7:34 AM Reply   
Love or hate them Mastercraft has no shortage of orders right now. I know alot of people would love to see them fail, but that would hurt the industy we all love. Great thing about boats and cars is there is a price point out there for most.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       01-12-2012, 7:48 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Txjole View Post
Love or hate them Mastercraft has no shortage of orders right now. I know alot of people would love to see them fail, but that would hurt the industy we all love. Great thing about boats and cars is there is a price point out there for most.
I don't think anyone on here has mentioned failure.Just speculation of limiting their market with their pricing.The average joe can't justify or in some cases afford their products.Their marketing strategy is moving them away from the core riders budget.
Old    Tuneman (tuneman)      Join Date: Mar 2002       01-12-2012, 7:49 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Txjole View Post
I know alot of people would love to see them fail, but that would hurt the industy we all love.
I don't know if you realized it or not, but that right there is an ultra liberal statement. If MC fails because they make crap boats or ugly boats or whatever, somebody will come along with a better idea and buy them. The result will make the industry stronger, not hurt it.
Old    Adam R (wakecumberland)      Join Date: Oct 2007       01-12-2012, 8:41 AM Reply   
I was browsing the MC site today and they have taken off the new XStar video that I got the screen shot from. That is curious. Wonder if this thread was the cause of it?
Old    Jon Hunter (hunter660)      Join Date: Aug 2007       01-12-2012, 8:55 AM Reply   
I know for a fact that MC watches what goes on on the internet forums.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       01-12-2012, 9:26 AM Reply   
I am not sure if it still happens but I think they kept pulling the cash rewards threads off of team talk as well. They didn't want that bad pub and since MC runs team talk it probably isn't a big surprise.
Old    PLR (dbdb)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-12-2012, 10:41 AM Reply   
Nick seems alot like that guy who runs his mouth like crazy on the pool table, stringing together a couple of pretty basic shots, while everyone who actually knows how to really play is just sitting back nursing a beer, keeping to themselves waiting to get on the table with him. At some point, he will learn. It might take a little bit though, assuming he is real. I'm fairly convinced that Nick is Lon, and they are/were a fictitious personality from a creative member here. There is no way this guy can be real.

I like Mastercraft, I have a 07 X15. I like the new XStar, but I don't think I'd ever buy one, regardless of the price. It's just not for me. I personally like classic lines and gel schemes and the new X doesn't have those lines, and we will see what gel scheme it gets. I think it would be fun if a friend had one though.

As for the prices; I don't think Mastercraft is worth the extra money to the average person. If money is not an issue, then well...money is it an issue. I had an 05 Centurion I bought new in 06 for $28,800 and now the 07 X15 which was atleast $65k new for a base one (I bought it used and got a pretty killer deal I think, and it's loaded) and I don't see the ~40k difference between the two. I only got rid of the Centurion because I couldn't stand the wake anymore, it would wash out no matter what we did.

In all fairness, I am a boat whore, and I think most people who spend time on these forums are as well. I like all boats for the most part. Maybe that doesn't make me the typical Mastercraft owner, but I don't care.
Old    Justin (jrw160)      Join Date: Oct 2006       01-12-2012, 11:31 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
I am not sure if it still happens but I think they kept pulling the cash rewards threads off of team talk as well. They didn't want that bad pub and since MC runs team talk it probably isn't a big surprise.
They delete every thread that mentions cash rewards. One of my buddies got screwed out of $10k by them. Start a thread on teamtalk cash rewards and see how long it lasts. I think the recent record is about 6 hours.

It would be nice of there was a decent mastercraft forum not owned and controlled by mastercraft. Teamtalk has a lot of great info and helpful people, but it's a different world over there. Lots of slalom and barefoot guys who love to hate on big stereos.

I own a mastercraft, but I don't have an unnatural allegiance to the brand. Their new boats are nice, but not affordable for most people. My 03 has terrible vinyl, but I dont have any complaints about the rest of it. If I were in the market for a new boat now, axis would be at the top of my list.
Old    Brad Riddick (riddick)      Join Date: Jan 2010       01-13-2012, 7:43 AM Reply   
http://onlyinboards.com/Ski-Boat-Sea...11&YearTo=2012

I could be tripping, but from a basic search of 2011-2012 boats, It seems that MasterCrafts are priced pretty competitvely.

I just found that pretty interesting
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       01-13-2012, 8:44 AM Reply   
^^^^^ What he said ^^^^^
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-13-2012, 9:27 AM Reply   
75k with near 100 hours? Not a good deal at all!
Tige sold a boat with more options at the show last year for 62k! It was a left over with 2 hours!!!
Even used nautiques are less than that!
All these prices are coming from the north east

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Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       01-13-2012, 11:14 PM Reply   
mc owners should start their own team talk thread here on WW. I am sure Dave will not pull it. Bummer the only forum is one that the manufacturer runs and controls. It sure does say a lot about a company, that they do not allow open dialogue or take responsibility for BS that they sold to their customers.

back to the xstar. did you see AMA super cross Anaheim 1? Mastercraft is a sponsor, has had an star out on the track since 05 when I began paying attention to super cross. This year they had a 2009 PWT edition xstar, again, out on the track. I knew they were not going to put the "not ready" 2012 xstar, but atleast throw out a 2012 something, x25 maybe? Imagine if Toyota, another ama sponsor, put out a 2009 tundra, is that cool? Its even worse for MC because they are paying probably million+s of dollars to "advertise" to all the bros, bros that most likely cannot afford a $100k xstar because that demo is 20-30 somethings. Even worse, they are showing/advertising to hundreds of thousands of fans across the states and europe a $100k boat that is not even available to purchase, probably never being built again. Even a left-over xstar will be hard to find, 2011 or 2010's sure, but a 2009 pwt ??? i know of one, it was at anaheim last monday and will prob be in phoenix tomorrows race as well.

good job MC. more money than brains, i guess.
Old    Ryan Glazier (Glaze08)      Join Date: Jul 2011       01-13-2012, 11:50 PM Reply   
I don't understand this thread? Haven't we established that MC owners are paying for the 'Mastercraft' brand name, and the perceived quality of their product according to the general public. The more discerning member of the wakeboarding public will realize that their are other options with equal or better features/quality at a perceived better price.

Anyways, my family owns a 2008 MC X2, which has done us well for three years. We had a MC 205V before that. Both are nice boats, and we have enjoyed them. Riding a MC every summer has shown me that they are a great boat, but even then I can't defend the fact that they rushed the X-Star to the public when it is obviously not ready for production. I also can't defend the pricing strategy as of late, whenever the actual price of the new X-Star comes out, I'm sure it is going to be ungodly expensive. I don't understand why one of the premier wakeboat companys would push their hardcore rider specific boat way beyond the boundaries of conventional pricing. Then again the same can be said for CC and 'Bu.

To each their own, people will pay for what their personal view allows. I will say that buying a MC/CC/'Bu is comparable to buying an Escalade when you could buy a MB/Axis/Tige comparable to a Tahoe. Both do essentially the same thing with roughly the same quality.

MC snobs are way to prevalent, you make the rest of us look bad. At least on our boat, we're down to talk shop with anyone and are always willing to pull people. And we definitely don't play the elitest role on the lake.


My .02 cents.

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Old    SS (illini88)      Join Date: Oct 2007       01-14-2012, 8:32 AM Reply   
I'm not a Mastercraft owner, and I agree that they're over priced. That being said, I don't think they're going anywhere or will fail, as is suggested above. As is very clear on this forum, brand loyalty is quite strong in the boat industry, and Mastercraft has a lot of loyal owners. Mastercraft's name recognition is also huge. There are also a lot of people who are outsiders to the industry who think of Nautiques and Mastercrafts when they think of tournament boats. Those people tend to be a little older and thus on average have a little more disposable income, making them perfect candidates for Mastercraft and Nautique. A lot of other brands are now making great boats, but they tend to be a little more regional. Mastercraft, Nautique, and Malibu had a bit of a head start, so they have seem to have a better following across the country as a whole. I'm in central Illinois and have had a Tige and a Centurion. I've loved both, but there aren't many Tige's or Centurions in Illinois. Take my lake, for example, i've been going there for 30 years. In that time, I've seen 1 other centurion and 2 other Tige's. There are presently approximately 15 mastercrafts, 6-7 Nautiques, 4-5 Malibus, 2 MB's, 2 Supra's, 3 Moomba's, and 2 Centurions (including mine). Over time, other brands will build up their national followings, but in my opinion, Mastercraft and Nautique have a huge advantage in name recognition at this time.
Old    Dave Diaz (wakebrdr94)      Join Date: Jul 2010       01-14-2012, 9:24 AM Reply   
I don't believe anyone would or can argue that MC. Makes a great product, my opinion is where do they go from here? As mentioned above, there are numerous smaller companies emerging from the shadows of the big three. But I wonder wat the business plan is for the future. Nobody wants to see them fail as that would be bad for the industry as a whole, but after bankruptcy a few years back, and the onslaught of issues with some of their innovations, I would imagine they have to do something to maintain the business. I doubt the government will be there with bailout money like they were with the automakers. They can be the "prestige " boat, , I just hope the people at the top are doi what's best for the company, not just their own pockets
Old    fowl            01-14-2012, 11:14 AM Reply   
MC has the attitude that they are the best and don't care if you like them as long as you bought a boat. As gas as a good company, they have been in business for a long time, about half as long as correct craft. I am all about free market and am a business student. However, they aren't helping grow the sport. Remember when their flagship model was the most expensive and under 60k? I know other manufacturers have gone up I price also with fewer boats being produced and the market shrinking, but they aren't helping spread the love by making entrance impossible. They have no focus. They could easily cut costs by limiting The product line. I owned a brand new 05 mc. Didn't work correct from literally day 2. And nick, regurgitating stuff you read in text books doesn't apply. College hockey. Really? Try a real sport like SEC football
Old    Ryan Glazier (Glaze08)      Join Date: Jul 2011       01-14-2012, 1:17 PM Reply   
I've concluded 90% of the people in this thread are cock waving.

Honestly, who the **** cares. This conversation will rage on forever as long as there are different boat builders and their respective fanboys. As far as I'm concerned, everyone makes a good boat, because what we all perceive as being good differs.

Old    Dave Diaz (wakebrdr94)      Join Date: Jul 2010       01-14-2012, 1:19 PM Reply   
Hey now, there's nothing wrong with college hockey, just playing club hockey while attending college doesn't count as college hockey
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       01-14-2012, 3:09 PM Reply   
I dont get it. Why are you sports bashing? Hockey is a tough sport, as is football. What does it matter if he plays "curling"? But seriously, everybody needs to stop trying to tell us how far they can piss, you all look like a bunch of high school girls. Nick, enjoy your x25 however you payed for it. Some think you overpayed for a 22ish footer, but its not my money, so I dont care.

Back to the xstar...
Old    Tdc_worm C (tdc_worm)      Join Date: Sep 2002       01-14-2012, 5:06 PM Reply   
i love the lack of grasp of simple market dynamics and supply and demand in this thread. maybe it is part of the reason this country is in the shape that it is. even with my public school education, i can wrap my futile brain around it.

the only time that something becomes "overpriced" is if supply exceeds demand of units (whether they be butt plugs, beers, or boats). it has nothing to do with what myself, lon, cwb, or any one individual thinks. all though we represent the market, we individually do not reflect the market as a whole. in the mean time, different dealers in different markets in different parts of the country will adjust the price of their wares to where supply does not exceed demand. if they fail to do so, then they go out of business. just because you are not willing to pay the price, doesnt mean it is overpriced.

there was a time when you could almost guarantee that boat threads on WW actually had some value. it seems that, as of late, it has turned in to a vehicle for people to either a) justify their own self worth by the possession that they have or b) achieve acceptance from other people you have never met by asking them what you should own. whatever happened to thinking for yourself in pursuit of your best interests? i digress....
Old    Mike (slowwwflowww)      Join Date: Mar 2011       01-15-2012, 7:15 AM Reply   
This dissention exists in all enthusiast groups,from cars to boats and everything in between.And in this age of internet some need their cyber-pill more than others.The only value this thread will have is if MC listens to some of the concerns voiced here.Be happy with what YOU own, from the $18,000 Bayliner to the most expensive inboard.And remember in some instances a closed mouth gathers no feet.
Old    Michael Hunter (mhunter)      Join Date: Mar 2008       01-15-2012, 8:35 AM Reply   
We went to the Atlanta boat show yesterday and I got to check out the new Xstar and the new X30. The Xstar looked much better in person but it was hard to tell with that busy wrap on it. Its still hard to get over that tow truck looking tower. The star is all about bling to a point of making it non functioning . They tried to make the seating transform for rear viewing but when the seat backs are switched it blocks other seats and makes them useless . There is no way to have anywhere near a full boat and then set up rear facing seats.They added two seats in the walkway through the windshield no way to get to the bow with the seats up. The rear seating with the racing head rests is supposed to be redesigned . Over all impressions by onlookers ''Way over the top''. No pricing but 160k was mentioned by the staff. The X30 was much cleaner and user friendly if I was looking at MC [IM NOT] I would check it out . X30 pricing was 79k with options and trailer you can expect to pay 90k plus
Old    Brain Rinse (brainrinse)      Join Date: Aug 2007       01-15-2012, 5:26 PM Reply   
Can't sell $90k wake boats? Offer a $150k boat so the $90k ones seem reasonable.
Old    Matt (ncsuuh)      Join Date: Jan 2007       01-18-2012, 12:21 PM Reply   
Might as well chime in along with everyone else. I got a little bored/annoyed with all the MasterCraft put downs. Personally, I have always liked MasterCraft. When my parents bought their first X-Star in 1999 it was a lot less than the price people pay today. At that time there really weren't many options for good wakeboats. We made our decision based on brand loyalty, dealer location, and resale. My parents have owned a 2000 X-Star, 2002 X-Star, and now own a 2005 X-45. We have been more than pleased with all of our boats and MasterCraft dealers. I say "We" because I took most of the responsibility for scheduling maintenance and etc. I literally went almost ten years with never riding any other boat other than a MC. Since then I have been on two Malibu VLXs, two Nautique 2001, and a Nautique 215. The wakes on the Malibu suit my style more and I like the heads up display and handling. However, there are a few interior items I do not care for. The same goes for the Nautiques. However, I feel if I rode behind a 230 I would be more than pleased. Unfortunately, where I live there are not may people that I know that own a Tige, MB, Centurian, etc. MasterCraft has the largest presence in the LKN area. As for price of a MasterCraft, they are very expensive but I have never heard of anyone paying anywhere near MSRP. Bottom line- it is all personal preference. Some people would rather have a brand new Malibu or MB instead of a MasterCraft that is 4 or 5 years old. The boats people by, in a lot of ways, are more personal than the home they live in. The boats signify family bonding and quality time spent with friends. So a lot of time, effort, and resources goes into purchasing their boat. So if someone likes the ugly tower on the MC, who cares. If someone bought a MB and liked the graphics, it's what they wanted. So lets get over the petty immature stuff and move along now. I really like WW for the DIY sections and the videos people pst of tricks they land. Now everyone, including myself, needs to get back to work so they can pay for their current/future boat. It's boat show season ladies and gents!
Old    Erik Jernberg (juniorhawk)      Join Date: Jul 2004       01-18-2012, 12:44 PM Reply   
That original photo has to be one of the most f-bombingly annoyingly convincing optical illusions I've seen in a long time (if that's what it is... an illusion, and it probably is...). It's astonishing that they'd even put something like this out onto the Web. As if people aren't going to freak out and pick it apart. Very strange for a company that usually seems to have marketing stuff mostly figured out.

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Old    Eric (wakeboardin2k4)      Join Date: Sep 2006       01-18-2012, 1:24 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick911 View Post
I grew up on boats and have personally owned one for the last 2 years. I sold my last sterndrive (drove the I/O because at the time we were on a very shallow lake) and ordered the 25 as we spend our time now on a deeper lake. I also have a business degree and am working on an online MBA therefore consider myself able to speak intelligently regarding MC's marketing and sales.

Wanna hear about my college hockey career, my 3.9 GPA, about always being on top? Give me the opportunity I love talking about myself.

Anything else you wanna know champ?
ever manage to satisfy a woman? Cause it sure seems like youve got a tiny d!ck and are trying really hard to compensate.
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       01-18-2012, 1:46 PM Reply   
@nick. Thanks for becoming the new Lon, and for entertaining me on ww for the last couple weeks.

@erik. A company as successful as mc should have their marketing decisions dialed, but the do not. Lateky they have made really poor decisions. The 2012 xstar first look video with an unfinished boat on a $45 trailer with sacs everwhere and a washy wake... horrible. That 2012 pic in the beginning of this thread, horrible. Speaking with the highest ups in the company that had no idea why the new xstar video was getting such bad reviews....hirrible.
One good thing they just did is the little 2012 mc boat video showcasing most of their joats with families having fun. That was pretty good. Took a page from the axis video done the beginning of summer.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       01-18-2012, 2:07 PM Reply   
Nick + MBA + X25 + "investments" - crapper + drain plug = LON + X80 + fist pumps + spray tan
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Old    Nauti 210 (brett33)      Join Date: Apr 2011       01-18-2012, 2:15 PM Reply   
^^ That sir, was an excellent burn..
Old    Dave Gast (nautiquesonly)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-18-2012, 2:18 PM Reply   
chatt you are truely amazing at Photoshop!
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       01-18-2012, 2:50 PM Reply   
Dave, yep. Got a photoshop MBA.
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       01-18-2012, 3:02 PM Reply   
" No pricing but 160k was mentioned by the staff"

If that is even close to the actual price, I will laugh out loud at ever new xstar I see on the lake. That is F&(*^ng riduculous. You would have to be an absolute MORON to pay that kind of money for a 25ft boat.
Old    Erik Jernberg (juniorhawk)      Join Date: Jul 2004       01-18-2012, 5:43 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny_defacto View Post
@nick. Thanks for becoming the new Lon, and for entertaining me on ww for the last couple weeks.

@erik. A company as successful as mc should have their marketing decisions dialed, but the do not. Lateky they have made really poor decisions. The 2012 xstar first look video with an unfinished boat on a $45 trailer with sacs everwhere and a washy wake... horrible. That 2012 pic in the beginning of this thread, horrible. Speaking with the highest ups in the company that had no idea why the new xstar video was getting such bad reviews....
Yeah yeah yeah I know - I've been reading along and seeing the same threads as everyone else. I guess I "know" there's no pointed bow version. They are going through a very rough spot, mostly on the PR side of things. Other companies just choose to say nothing until iterations 1-15 are done with a new boat or a big change and they've not taken that approach lately. People will piss and moan with anything drastically different, and we aren't far away from this multi-part X-Star debacle to have any historical context, so my grundle isn't in a bundle about it. Now, how the stories about the wake performance got out and spread around - that's probably the most interesting part as far as I'm concerned.
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       01-18-2012, 6:12 PM Reply   
why are the stories about wake performance getting out so interesting? I am interested in what you are thinking. To me the wake performance is the only thing I trust. Yes, only the MC guys have ridden it and get paid, so take what they say with a grain of salt... but I do believe them when they make huge statements such as "this wake will change wakeboarding" or whatever. Then the first look video, although washy in some shots, shows a very big wake and guys boosting.
Old    KEVIN (kko13)      Join Date: Jul 2006       01-18-2012, 6:22 PM Reply   
LOL this is truly an epic thread. I know its early but this Nick guy is going to be hard to beat for "Douche Bag Of The Year". He has got my vote for sure!

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