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Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-21-2010, 12:35 PM Reply   
This is kind of interesting.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/boa/1855365076.html
Old    Razzman (razzman)      Join Date: Dec 2006       07-21-2010, 12:51 PM Reply   
It's an option for 2011 models. I guess since Malibu let it go Skiers Choice picked it up.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-21-2010, 12:51 PM Reply   
If you can't beat them join them right? hahaha.
Old    Jacob Ruppert (jacobs0222i)      Join Date: Sep 2008       07-21-2010, 1:11 PM Reply   
Met craft went out of business so Skiers Choice must have purchased the mold and are making them themselves. Tige did the same thing.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-21-2010, 1:15 PM Reply   
I think Extreme Tower Products (XTP) purchased the rights to the Illusion and Skiers Choice uses XTP for their towers. This would all make sense then. Might be wrong, but sounds very logical and I had heard XTP purchased rights to the Illusion.
Old    Razzman (razzman)      Join Date: Dec 2006       07-21-2010, 1:16 PM Reply   
I believe XTP is making them for Skiers, they make the standard towers.
Old    Jacob Ruppert (jacobs0222i)      Join Date: Sep 2008       07-21-2010, 1:23 PM Reply   
that works too.
Old    Richard Coop (mendo247)      Join Date: Mar 2005       07-21-2010, 1:38 PM Reply   
Looks killer on that boat.
Old    Tampa Wake (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       07-21-2010, 1:41 PM Reply   
Two point towers and you don't have to pay CC for their patent. Good enough reason for me if I am a manufacturer.
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-21-2010, 1:53 PM Reply   
I like it. Stoked on the new Moomba Tower.

XTP bought the molds from Metcraft and is producing the tower from what I have heard. They are also producing the Illusion towers for Malibu's warranty department.

Pictures are from the Moomba Forum.



Old    Tailgate (tailgate)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-21-2010, 2:01 PM Reply   
Come on Skiers Choice!!! While I like the "illusion tower", do something to make it unique? at least Tige put a little change into it... just my opinion
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-21-2010, 2:03 PM Reply   
I like it. Will they put them on Supra's too?

All the Malibu folks are all gonna get bent out of shape about this cause noone likes the new G3 Malibu towers......
Old    Chris (crosenhahn)      Join Date: Feb 2008       07-21-2010, 2:05 PM Reply   
That LSV looks long!!! I like the towers! Like the new windshields as well...very sleek!
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       07-21-2010, 2:07 PM Reply   
I think the Moomba looks great with the Illusion X tower. But if I was a Malibu owner with that same tower, I wouldn't be happy.

Thet Illusion X tower is very much linked to the Malibu brand. When you see it on the water (even from far away), you immediately know it's a Malibu. Shame on Malibu for letting it go to a competitor.

On the Moomba side, the towers may look good on the boats, but that doesn't mean the company should be proud of it. To me the company comes off looking like cheap rip off artists. Why can't Moomba come up with their own unique design/value proposition instead of copying Malibu's from 5 years ago?

Last edited by ixfe; 07-21-2010 at 2:11 PM.
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-21-2010, 2:17 PM Reply   
I think that the Illusion tower did set Malibu boats apart from other manufacturers for quite a while. It was only time before other designers would want to borrow design cues. I am now stoked on the new G3 tower after using it this season. Like the original Illusion X tower it had to grow on me.

With the Centurion Evolution, Tige' Alpha Z, and Supra Worlds towers on the water I don't think Malibu owners will be shocked to see the new Moombas floating around with a first gen looking Malibu Illusion tower. Props to Tony at XTP for making it happen.

Last edited by spencerwm; 07-21-2010 at 2:19 PM. Reason: Didn't mean to reply to one single person. Thanks for asking computer. I wish you could just read my mind and change it.
Old    Josh B (joshugan)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-21-2010, 2:35 PM Reply   
The illusion looks so much better than the G3 in my opinion. Congrats to Moomba! Nautique owns the classic lines imo, and Moomba is now best looking for modern lines.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-21-2010, 2:35 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ixfe View Post
I think the Moomba looks great with the Illusion X tower. But if I was a Malibu owner with that same tower, I wouldn't be happy.

Thet Illusion X tower is very much linked to the Malibu brand. When you see it on the water (even from far away), you immediately know it's a Malibu. Shame on Malibu for letting it go to a competitor.
Meh, Malibu has all but abandoned the tower and won't warranty them anymore. As a malibu owner with an illusion tower, I'm happy to hear that I might be able to find replacement parts if/when my illusion tower breaks.
Old    VLX Envy (cavlxenvy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-21-2010, 3:19 PM Reply   
Happy that I can find replacement parts as mentioned above... but as a Malibu owner, it really pisses me off that they are on a Moomba.

Moomba has been copying Malibu for years. No secrets there. I'll get over it though.


Over it now.... until I see one on the water.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-21-2010, 3:21 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavlxenvy View Post
Happy that I can find replacement parts as mentioned above... but as a Malibu owner, it really pisses me off that they are on a Moomba.

Moomba has been copying Malibu for years. No secrets there. I'll get over it though.


Over it now.... until I see one on the water.
That is a ridiculous quote that has no validity.
Old    Matt (loudsubz)      Join Date: Aug 2001       07-21-2010, 4:03 PM Reply   
Glad they didn't put that tower on the 2010. Never have and never will like the design.
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-21-2010, 4:23 PM Reply   
Don't knock it until you try it. I hated the design until I stated using it. It is quite functional for a Honda Civic spoiler. HAHA

Last edited by spencerwm; 07-21-2010 at 4:23 PM. Reason: Wrong word. I can't type very well. Newbie
Old    Bill K (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-21-2010, 4:33 PM Reply   
Since Metcraft is dead............. no, no, no, don't take your foot off their head...... that design will probably prove to be very functional & sturdy.

Congrats to all of you who own the POS version of it.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-21-2010, 4:41 PM Reply   
While I'll admit that I think it looks great I think its kinda lame that they "copied" a tower that is soooo very much part of the Malibu landscape. Whether they bought the rights or not its borderline Ken Land of them.
Old    Matthew Short (britshorty)      Join Date: Jun 2009       07-21-2010, 4:54 PM Reply   
Quote:
Why can't Moomba come up with their own unique design/value proposition instead of copying Malibu's from 5 years ago?
I don't mind they have the same tower, I love it on our 07 malibu but at least add some flair or something that makes it a little more distinguisable from a distance. I always get malibu pride when I see another across the lake, now I'll have to question until I get a closer perspective
Old    VLX Envy (cavlxenvy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-21-2010, 8:09 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
That is a ridiculous quote that has no validity.
Sold boats for years man. Moomba's idea of R+D was taking apart a Malibu. You would see Malibu come out with something one year and its in Moomba the next. I have sat in them lined up next to each other on more than one occasion.Trust me.

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Old    TN22            07-21-2010, 8:48 PM Reply   
Sure. Any examples of this? Malibu dropped Metcraft and XTP bought the molds. It would be stupid for SC not to use it. Don't bash them because they made a smart business decision.
Old    Adam (apwrx)      Join Date: Feb 2008       07-21-2010, 10:04 PM Reply   
Use it sure, but at least put some sort of Moomba design cue to it.
Old    Tdc_worm C (tdc_worm)      Join Date: Sep 2002       07-22-2010, 6:06 AM Reply   
just a thought---

a good friend had an 05 Malibu LSV w/ that tower. it is a cast piece (i believe). his tower broke in half on both sides where there was a a metal bung welded in (for a bolt to pass through). i have only heard of two others doing the same thing. when malibu decided to go with the newest tower that has a full stainless hoop, i assumed it was to avoid the possibility of the above happening again.

just thinking out loud...not trying to be biased one way or the other...personally, i prefer a traditional tower....
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       07-22-2010, 6:23 AM Reply   
As a former Moomba owner and someone who will be boat shopping next spring - the Illusion tower was going to sell me on a Malibu next year. I'll be SERIOUSLY considering the Mobius over the V-Ride next spring..

Glorious. Looks awesome. I loved the value in my Moomba.
Old    Tampa Wake (tampawake)      Join Date: Mar 2008       07-22-2010, 6:35 AM Reply   
Who cares if they copy. So if they copy something then it sucks. No need to be original just make a boat that people want and can afford.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-22-2010, 6:40 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdc_worm View Post
just a thought---

a good friend had an 05 Malibu LSV w/ that tower. it is a cast piece (i believe). his tower broke in half on both sides where there was a a metal bung welded in (for a bolt to pass through). i have only heard of two others doing the same thing. when malibu decided to go with the newest tower that has a full stainless hoop, i assumed it was to avoid the possibility of the above happening again.

just thinking out loud...not trying to be biased one way or the other...personally, i prefer a traditional tower....
They designed a new tower because they are building the G3 in house now and not outsourcing their towers anymore.
Old    Ben Ax (hawkeye7708)      Join Date: Feb 2007       07-22-2010, 6:51 AM Reply   
Can't knock Moomba for the tower. If you can pick up such a stylish piece of equipment and add it to your product, why wouldn't you? Sure they COULD have put in some original design work on it, and who knows, maybe down the road they will. But adding that new tower option, i feel will really add to the appeal of the boat. And if you don't have to put any money into designing and altering something that already works, it saves the company money. Just smart business.
Old    CORY MITCHELL (stang_killa_ss)      Join Date: Jan 2010       07-22-2010, 6:57 AM Reply   
HOLY hell yes! thats SO sick looking. yet another reason ill never buy a "pay for the name" big 3 boat
man that black angled back windsheild is so bad ass too.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-22-2010, 7:01 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by stang_killa_ss View Post
HOLY hell yes! thats SO sick looking. yet another reason ill never buy a "pay for the name" big 3 boat
man that black angled back windsheild is so bad ass too.
Hahaha this thread is getting good.
Old    Cody (loudontn)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-22-2010, 7:05 AM Reply   
The Moomba's are getting a strong tower, the new V2 tower isn't a mirror image of the Illusion X tower, it's an improvement on it. The breakaway system is easier to use, the pins that allow the tower to collapse are easier to insert and remove, the header had an additional piece of oval pipe added down the center for reinforcement and the bases have been totally revamped. Also, the powder that's being used in the powder coating process is a higher quality than the old gloss powder that you saw on Illusion X towers.





Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       07-22-2010, 7:25 AM Reply   
I love the nice smooth lines of the boat in the pics that were posted... the tower looks great
Old    Bawshogg (bawshogg)      Join Date: Dec 2005       07-22-2010, 7:39 AM Reply   
Hmmm. Only 2 board rack positions? One per side?
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-22-2010, 7:53 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by bawshogg View Post
Hmmm. Only 2 board rack positions? One per side?
It's a Moomba. Less is more. I am stoked that they kept the Metcraft hole pattern.

The tower will be stronger with the new cross member. I think most people looking really hard at Moombas wouldn't mind a Malibu but for what ever reason it is not in the cards. Moomba will sell more boats this year.

Last edited by spencerwm; 07-22-2010 at 7:54 AM. Reason: Had to add something, DAVE!
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-22-2010, 8:53 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by bawshogg View Post
Hmmm. Only 2 board rack positions? One per side?
I saw that as well. Dumb move on their part if you ask me. It can't really cost anymore or a very negligible amount to add an extra mounting location.
Old    CORY MITCHELL (stang_killa_ss)      Join Date: Jan 2010       07-22-2010, 9:00 AM Reply   
i disagree. i hate the look of empty holes not being used. ruins the clean lines.
4 boards is more than enough.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-22-2010, 9:11 AM Reply   
I guess some guys just see the need for having enough rack space for 20 boards.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-22-2010, 9:26 AM Reply   
It would have more to do with having space for 4 wakeboards and 2 surf boards at the same time. I suppose you could get the lift off style and then interchange them but then you are pretty limited. Surf boards take up a ton of room and are nice to have up out of the way.

I guess I don't see how having the extra holes really makes a difference in how it looks. You have to be within 20 feet of the boat to even see the holes.
Old    Travis (fman)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-22-2010, 3:15 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ixfe View Post
I think the Moomba looks great with the Illusion X tower. But if I was a Malibu owner with that same tower, I wouldn't be happy.

Thet Illusion X tower is very much linked to the Malibu brand. When you see it on the water (even from far away), you immediately know it's a Malibu. Shame on Malibu for letting it go to a competitor.

On the Moomba side, the towers may look good on the boats, but that doesn't mean the company should be proud of it. To me the company comes off looking like cheap rip off artists. Why can't Moomba come up with their own unique design/value proposition instead of copying Malibu's from 5 years ago?
WOW, Its only a boat.... does it really matter? personally, the Rad-a-cage is still my favorite looking tower of all the boat makers, and its damn strong as well.

Last edited by fman; 07-22-2010 at 3:20 PM.
Old    Travis (fman)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-22-2010, 3:23 PM Reply   
Congrats to SC again, the Moomba line is looking great.... regardless of who made the tower, it looks nice on the boat and steps up the build. Did notice there is no Z-5 rack, which after having one of them would never buy another boat without one. Will this tower allow a Z-5? it doesnt look like it would work into that style of tower.

Last edited by fman; 07-22-2010 at 3:25 PM.
Old    Bill K (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-22-2010, 3:34 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by loudontn View Post
The Moomba's are getting a strong tower, the new V2 tower isn't a mirror image of the Illusion X tower, it's an improvement on it. The breakaway system is easier to use, the pins that allow the tower to collapse are easier to insert and remove, the header had an additional piece of oval pipe added down the center for reinforcement and the bases have been totally revamped. Also, the powder that's being used in the powder coating process is a higher quality than the old gloss powder that you saw on Illusion X towers.
At least they improved it. The Metcraft design had so many failure points, mainly in the bases. Time will tell if SC / XTC can handle it.

Need more racks? Geez, just drill more holes. It was done all the time on the old design, and is done all the time on a dozen other tower designs.

Regarding the design patents & paying royalties to CC. Seems like that patent should be about time to expire.
And isn't the nav light on the tow knob an MC patent?
Old    AtTheLake (bmartin)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-22-2010, 4:14 PM Reply   
That sure is a Bu-ish looking Moomba!

Was never a fan of the illusion because it interferes with ingress/egress, but can appreciate the visual appeal.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-22-2010, 4:16 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmartin View Post
That sure is a Bu-ish looking Moomba!

Was never a fan of the illusion because it interferes with ingress/egress, but can appreciate the visual appeal.
I'm sure that was their intention.
Old    Bawshogg (bawshogg)      Join Date: Dec 2005       07-22-2010, 4:18 PM Reply   
Drill holes ? For sure, Warranty out the window. The old style IX had cast in reinforcements around the area where the racks mounted. If you doubt it, look up through the inside while the tower is down, you can see them with a flashlight. They were actually casted in a way to support the pressure of the bolt that holds the rack in place. Not sure if I would "just drill more holes" . I have 4 racks on my IX and they are commonly full. Ask anyone who boats with me in PDX. I also think the boat looks sick with the racks all boarded out. Where exactly did people drill drill holes in the older version of the IX? I can't think of where you would put them if you used all 4 locals.
Old    Bill K (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-22-2010, 4:52 PM Reply   
Or don't drill'em. And you can have 2 racks. It's like drilling holes in your boat for LEDs, a tower or ballast. You do what needs to be done. Maybe not when the boat is brand new. But at some point, lots of boat owners drill holes for lots of reasons.

A number of dealers & rack manufacturers we deal with have had to dril the holes out because the inserts were damaged somehow. Or from the inside, additional speaker brackets. Just one of those dealers was there in PDX before he started ripping off people.
If you use stainless carriage bolts & oversized washers, then it will actually be stronger than using inserts. Metcraft was always so "good" about honoring their warranty anyway so it has always been a way to make what the boat owner had work for what he wanted to do, ie; racks or speakers, etc.

Last edited by bill_airjunky; 07-22-2010 at 4:57 PM.
Old    Razzman (razzman)      Join Date: Dec 2006       07-22-2010, 6:57 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by bawshogg View Post
I also think the boat looks sick with the racks all boarded out.
That reminded me of a Malibu i saw out on the lake about a month ago. I think he thought the same thing. Had four racks and not an empty slot in them, alot of boards for two guys. In fact i never saw it actually out of a cove and on the lake, he sure played a lot of music though!
Old    Bawshogg (bawshogg)      Join Date: Dec 2005       07-22-2010, 10:44 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by razzman View Post
That reminded me of a Malibu i saw out on the lake about a month ago. I think he thought the same thing. Had four racks and not an empty slot in them, alot of boards for two guys. In fact i never saw it actually out of a cove and on the lake, he sure played a lot of music though!
Wasn't me, but hey! It happens sometimes. I don't always have mine full, But I have four boards myself that I like to ride. Just depends on the mood. Sometimes I surf, occasionally wakeboard. Sometimes just chill, But if I feel like ridin' I wanna have my stick so I take up 2 1/2 spots with just mine. 3 wakeboard and 1 surf rack total. Soooo, not all that impractical having 4 mounting positions.
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       07-22-2010, 11:10 PM Reply   
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WOW, Its only a boat.... does it really matter?
Doesn't matter to me... I don't own a Bu or a Moomba. I was simply making a business observation about branding. Moomba just copied a long standing Malibu distinction. I think that's bush league... from a busines perspective. Reminds me of Hyundai and their rip off designs. Likewise, I think Malibu made a strategic blunder in letting that design get into the hands of a competitor... even if they weren't ever planning to reuse it.

Only a boat...? If that were true you'd own an I/O and never visit this site. But you don't... you have a world-class Supra towboat and you come here regularly... it's a passion, it's a lifestyle. Admit it.
Old    JL (vlx10rl)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-23-2010, 9:03 AM Reply   
Funny thread...As a past Moomba owner, I think the IX looks great on that LSV. Malibu made a killing with that tower, and hopefully Moomba will do the same. Moombas do really deserve some credit; I turned my '05 over with 400 hours, no problems, and tons of memories.
Having said that, I agree with IXFE to a point. But, I just can't see the IX on my boat. The G-3 belongs there. It's a great tower; pictures don't do it justice. I also think current malibu owners may be more inclined to upgrade to a new one now. So, maybe it was not such a bad decision on behalf of malibu. But we'll see. 2011 will be exciting for sure, at least as far as towers go.
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Old    Chris (crosenhahn)      Join Date: Feb 2008       07-23-2010, 9:23 AM Reply   
Thats a great looking Wake Setter!!! Love the color combo!
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       07-23-2010, 9:40 AM Reply   
i have a friend with a yellow/black malibu with illusion tower it looks sharp. he has never complained about it and uses his boat every week of the season.i really don't think the new tower adds to the clean lines of the wakesetter. they are eye catching boats.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-23-2010, 10:14 AM Reply   
Now I'm by no means infurring that Moombas are akin to a Kia.
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Old    Travis (fman)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-23-2010, 10:24 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ixfe View Post
Doesn't matter to me... I don't own a Bu or a Moomba. I was simply making a business observation about branding. Moomba just copied a long standing Malibu distinction. I think that's bush league... from a busines perspective. Reminds me of Hyundai and their rip off designs. Likewise, I think Malibu made a strategic blunder in letting that design get into the hands of a competitor... even if they weren't ever planning to reuse it.

Only a boat...? If that were true you'd own an I/O and never visit this site. But you don't... you have a world-class Supra towboat and you come here regularly... it's a passion, it's a lifestyle. Admit it.
I enjoy my boat, and being on the water, but at the end of the day, being with my family and friends is why I am out there.... went out on tuesday with a friend who has an I/O and had a great day on the water.... No doubt, definitely a hobby, and I have an interest in looking at different boat makers, they are all great and each one has different features that interest me. BTW, Your MB is a great looking ride..... really like MB's....

I think Skier's Choice is already benefiting from the new tower, they are getting a lot of looks and talk about it (free advertising), and I do believe the Moomba line is becoming more appealing to people for a great boat, with an excellent price point.

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