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Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       05-10-2010, 2:26 PM Reply   
Here are four photos, Sorry I'm in them, LOL, and no, I don't have to go potty, you will understand when you look at the fourth photo.
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Old    Ryan (ryanw209)      Join Date: Jan 2010       05-11-2010, 6:27 PM Reply   
Nice poke Dave!!! I got my 750's to drain about 98% today just by plowing some water at the end of draining so I'm ok with that.

Here are a few I took today... not the best but you get the picture. This is with the 750's almost full, 500 in the locker full and somewhere around 400 on the front seats.
The girl is at 65ft and 21.5mph(I blurred out her face cuz I didn't ask if I could post her pic) The one with the guy in the white helmet is at 70ft and 22mph. The rest are me at 75ft and about 22.5mph.
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Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       05-12-2010, 8:46 AM Reply   
Nice job, I was riding at 73 feet and 24mph.
Old    Jason Reidenbach (nmcjr)      Join Date: Aug 2009       05-14-2010, 3:43 PM Reply   
I will attest that this makes a nice wake, I was really impressed.
Old    Ryan (ryanw209)      Join Date: Jan 2010       05-15-2010, 12:19 PM Reply   
^ I paid him to say that... lol....
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       05-16-2010, 6:20 PM Reply   
Those wakes look clean and the transition shape is ridiculous. Good work. I think you guys have dialed it in perfectly.
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       06-23-2010, 8:46 AM Reply   
here is an an update. I have had good luck with draining the bags almost all the way on the trailer. But the coolest thing I have learned. the Port side bag kept pushing the engine wall divider thing against the engine. Which made me realize that you can move the c-channel retainer that is screwed to the floor closer to the engine on both sides. This gives you more room for the bag and more room in the locker. There is nothing that the dividers can hurt even if they flex into the sides of the engine. I moved both divider c-channels to the center of the boat about 3-4 inches. Also on the starboard side I decided to remove the cover that makes the compartment look better around the gas filler hose and other lines such as ballest heater some wiring. Anyway I think these two minor tweaks will make those bags fill better and fit better. I wish I had some pictures for you guys. Let me know if this works for you also
Old    Clotus (clotus)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-23-2010, 11:45 AM Reply   
After a little googling I still had no luck. Does wavemakers have a website so I can check out the kit. If not does anyone have a ballpark price???
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       06-23-2010, 12:01 PM Reply   
It cost me about 380 bucks. Wakemakers still does not have the kit on their site for some reason.
Old    Clotus (clotus)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-23-2010, 10:02 PM Reply   
cool thanks.
Old    Ryan (ryanw209)      Join Date: Jan 2010       06-24-2010, 7:39 AM Reply   
Dave- I never put that cover around the gas filler back in after I installed the bags but I'll have to try moving the channnels closer to the engine. Also, my PP was a little more off than I though. In the picture I was riding around 24 also and 75ft.
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       06-24-2010, 8:42 AM Reply   
right on. So should I throw away that gas cover part thing?
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       06-24-2010, 6:39 PM Reply   
We have added the Sanger Ballast kit to the website. Sorry for the delay. We wanted to make sure it was complete and tested by multiple customers before we activated it.

Sanger Factory Ballast System Upgrade Kit
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       06-24-2010, 9:50 PM Reply   
spencer, Why is it only 69 bucks and doesn't tell you anything?
Old    Andrew Taft (taft)      Join Date: Jul 2006       06-26-2010, 12:30 AM Reply   
I am plumbing in some custom sized bags into my '09 V237 right now. Was wondering if you guys have the same issue as me, even though it wasn't mentioned. Did you guys also have a pump screwed into the hard tanks? I do, it's my drain pump, and without the hardtank it is just lying around freely. Trying to think of ways of anchoring it to something.

Anyone do this, or is this a non-issue for the '05's?
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       06-26-2010, 4:51 PM Reply   
Dave,
The price is $69.95 for the pre-assembled fitting kit. You have the ability to use the drop down to select the bag that will best suit your needs. I am working on the descriptions.

Andrew,
You can mount your pumps off to the side. Just make sure they are somewhat close to your drain fitting and that they are at or below the sac to keep the pumps primed. They can also sit freely as long as they have enough room to keep the hoses from kinking.

Last edited by spencerwm; 06-26-2010 at 4:54 PM. Reason: Left out something
Old    Ryan (ryanw209)      Join Date: Jan 2010       06-26-2010, 10:11 PM Reply   
Andrew- the drain pumps on the 05-06 are mounted in the hull just to the side of the engine so that wasn't an issue for us.
Old    Derek (camassanger)      Join Date: Oct 2009       06-27-2010, 8:22 AM Reply   
Andrew, as Ryan mentions not an issue for us. Several of my pumps are mounted to the plumbing coming thru the hull. But the drain pumps for the rear are loosely held by the rubber covered metal wire loom holders (hope that makes sense).
Old    Andrew Taft (taft)      Join Date: Jul 2006       06-28-2010, 12:45 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ryanw209 View Post
So the 3/4" vent hose connects to the bottom port on the bags and the two 1" to the top ports?
You mean the 3/4" drain hose connects to the bottom, right?
Old    Ryan (ryanw209)      Join Date: Jan 2010       06-28-2010, 6:27 PM Reply   
Yes Andrew I was mistaken. The 3/4 hose is the drain. If you are doing this changeover I would just buy and extra 5ft of 1" hose and change out that 3/4" drain hose.
Old    CAwakesk8r (hatepwcs)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-28-2010, 7:37 PM Reply   
Dave- Im interested in trying to fit your old hard tanks into my V210. Do you still have the tanks? if you are interested shoot me the dimensions. I think the lockers on my 210 are longer than the 215.

FYI- I took the stock center ballast bag out and replaced with a 700# and it s night and day. Not sure about the 215 but move some of that weight forward and watch that wake grow into something really big and beautiful.

Let me know.

Thanks.
Old    Richard White (4white)      Join Date: Apr 2010       07-05-2010, 3:35 PM Reply   
I did the swap over to the 1100 pound bags this weekend, great job to Jason and the guys at WakeMakers, totally turnkey!! Pulling the tanks out was by far the toughest part (almost got out my chainsaw), but from there it was a snap. Heat gun is essential for putting the hoses back on the pumps.

Didn't have great weather this weekend, but got a quick surf in. WOW what a difference, definately worth the money.

Cheers,

Rich
Old    Ryan (ryanw209)      Join Date: Jan 2010       07-05-2010, 5:59 PM Reply   
Congrats on the new wake Rich! You'll have a ton of fun with the new wake!
Old    Jason Henrichs (vette74)      Join Date: Jun 2008       07-05-2010, 7:15 PM Reply   
CAwakesk8r (hatepwcs), How much does the 700 fill to the stock one on the 210?
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-05-2010, 11:00 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by vette74 View Post
CAwakesk8r (hatepwcs), How much does the 700 fill to the stock one on the 210?
Stock is 400 pounds I think, you can get around 600 pounds with the big bag, just ask sparky!
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       07-06-2010, 8:50 AM Reply   
CAwakesk8r, I will hang onto the tanks. If I ever sell the boat, I would like to have the option to go back to stock.
Old    Richard White (4white)      Join Date: Apr 2010       07-09-2010, 4:58 PM Reply   
CAwakesk8r I sent you a PM
Old    Derek (camassanger)      Join Date: Oct 2009       07-09-2010, 5:31 PM Reply   
Finally gettin the boat out this week. The 1100# bag on port side is fantastic for surfing. I add another 400#er on the port side and the wake is great.
Old    Eric Stalnaker (Conejo_Guy)      Join Date: Jul 2010       07-15-2010, 10:42 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by dave27 View Post
Another problem I see is (look at my diagram of how I weight my boat) is I have a lot of lead in the front of the boat so if I have no water ballast in the boat and I stop from 20 mph to stop, It looks like the nose just might dip. NOT really but I did get the pucker factor!

For how I weight my boat, I ride at 24 mph at 73 feet. I am a w2w rider. I get booted. I love it.
Dave, now that you have had some lake time with your new set up do you still have the lead and pop-bags in the same locations that you detailed in the image at the beginning of the thread?

If not, what is your current distribution? Do you mind telling me where your rubrail rides in relation to the surface when you're at idle? I'm interested in replicating your set up on my V215 but I don't have the balls to put the hull too low into the water.

Thanks -
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       07-15-2010, 12:44 PM Reply   
I do have a new way I am weighting the boat. I will get the pick up shortly. My concerns of the bow did is all but gone. I get scared when I have two adults and a kid up in the bow. But if I will have those peeps up there all day I will just move some lead to the back seat. I will post the picture soon. I do love it now. I get it to drain all the way. Removing the gas carpet cover thing and moving the C-channel closer to the engine was key. I am now riding at 76 feet and 23.7.
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       07-15-2010, 12:58 PM Reply   
When loaded the bow eye is almost in the water and the swim deck is about 4 inches under water. I don't know about the rub rail. I ride the delta and I have to be careful about rollers coming in the front and if the CIE boat rides by it can send some water over the side. But I am super happy with the wake. The Prop and gallons an hour. I am running about 6.5 gallons and hour. I love that I can dump the 1700lbs of ballast.
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Old    Andrew Taft (taft)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-15-2010, 1:40 PM Reply   
I have my system nearly completely installed now, but I'm having a bit of a problem with the drain line. After filling the bag, water drains out the drain line without the pump turned on. Did you guys address this by routing the line as high as possible, or is there something else I can try. It seemed to still drain even with the line well above the bag.
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       07-15-2010, 2:06 PM Reply   
Do you mean vent line? I have no draining problems with my system. I have a check valve on the fill pumps.
Old    Andrew Taft (taft)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-15-2010, 3:20 PM Reply   
For some reason it is siphoning out the drain line, and pouring out the side of the boat. So far I haven't hooked up the vent line.
Old    Derek (camassanger)      Join Date: Oct 2009       07-15-2010, 3:57 PM Reply   
I do have mine spill out the vent line to the side of the boat. Just bought a ball valve at Home Depot to install on the vent line...

Andrew, you could put a ball valve onthe drain hose too. It routes just under the steel structure which would make a good place for a call valve - just have to remember its there when you go to drain.
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       07-15-2010, 8:49 PM Reply   
Maybe I am lost what you guys are talking about. You have a fill hose, into the top back of the bag, a drain hose, at the bottom back, and a vent hose at the top foward part of the bag. What is siphoning out? the vent hose?
Old    Derek (camassanger)      Join Date: Oct 2009       07-15-2010, 9:09 PM Reply   
I think for me, its the vent hose. When I fill the sac and it is visibly full, water will spill out of one of the two holes on the side of the boat. One is the vent hole and one is the drain hole. I think when the bag get full the water just spills out the vent hole. But i really dont think it is totally full - I just think the vent is the path of least resistance.

I am thinking that if i put a ball valve on the vent, I may get the sac to fill up a bit more (could be wrong). probably will need one on the drain two, cuz it will be the second lowest path of resistance lol

I have the wakemakers check valve too, so it's not draining out the fill hole...
Old    Harold Hemming (h20king)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-16-2010, 8:33 AM Reply   
easy fix is to run vent line to opposite side of boat that way it is a highpoint vent and will allow the sacks to fill completely and wont auto siphon once full
Old    Dave Kiehl (dave27)      Join Date: May 2005       07-16-2010, 8:35 AM Reply   
wierd, I have the vent hose on my sysem nice a long, the factory length. Maybe that is why I don't have the problem. I would think it would be inpossiable to have the bags drain out the vent hose and drain hose because the ports they drain out are higher then the bag? How can water drain up hill?
Old    Harold Hemming (h20king)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-16-2010, 9:08 AM Reply   
easy when you are set up to surf the boat leans making the vent opening lower than the sack at least on my boat so I ran the vent lines to the opposite sides and tada the sacks fill all the way and do not lose any water but than again my sacks are 3 times bigger than the ones above
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Old    Derek (camassanger)      Join Date: Oct 2009       07-16-2010, 10:11 AM Reply   
Harold's right. And I have kept my vent hoses stock length too. My 1100# bag may fill more and tip the boat more, I dunno. But running them to the other side of the boat seems like a good idea. But, for me it would require another trip to Home Depot, so I will probably just install the ball valve LOL

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