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Old    Zane Bushey (zanezibar)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-21-2009, 4:23 PM Reply   
I am doing a toeside backroll but letting go with my following hand so i rotate a backside 180 and land switch without passing the handle.

Is their a specific name for this trick?
Old    trent (wakeboardlf25)      Join Date: May 2007       07-21-2009, 4:29 PM Reply   
are you holding the handle with both hands behind your back on the approach? Prob called a wrapped roll to blind. melissa marquardt (spelling?) does them with the wrapped handle all the time
Old    Zane Bushey (zanezibar)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-21-2009, 4:49 PM Reply   
Hmm yeah I am not wrapped, the rope is held in both hands on the approach then i let go at take off and land with one on as well. The only reason I don't need to pass the handle is because i duck under my arm and twist it reminds me of a whirly in a way
Old    Russell Lowry (somebuddy)      Join Date: Jun 2009       07-21-2009, 4:57 PM Reply   
It sounds like a T/S backroll to blind.
Old    trent (wakeboardlf25)      Join Date: May 2007       07-21-2009, 5:46 PM Reply   
i get what ur sayin now and ive never seen it done before do i dunno...vid would be nice
Old    Zane Bushey (zanezibar)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-21-2009, 7:01 PM Reply   
for sure i will get some film next set for ya
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-21-2009, 7:27 PM Reply   
toe roll 2 blind
Old    Patrick Phoenix (boarderpat)      Join Date: Jul 2009       07-21-2009, 7:38 PM Reply   
AKA G-Spot...
Old    Gerald B. (ncboarderboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-21-2009, 7:39 PM Reply   
like a pete rose but you dont look over youre shoulder at the end?
Old    Jason Shehan (norcalbordr)      Join Date: Feb 2006       07-21-2009, 7:52 PM Reply   
You letting go with your lead hand or rear hand?
Old    Zane Bushey (zanezibar)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-21-2009, 10:34 PM Reply   
i let go with the rear hand
Old    Patrick Phoenix (boarderpat)      Join Date: Jul 2009       07-22-2009, 6:58 AM Reply   
to clear this up...are you goofy/regular? and are you letting go with your left or right hand?
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-22-2009, 7:02 AM Reply   
yo... like I said, this is a toeside backroll to blind. think about it.

pass the handle and add another 180 and you have yourself a blind pete.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       07-22-2009, 8:59 AM Reply   
I think its just a TS roll to revert, sorry to burst your bubble here... I mean if you are not Passing, Not taking off wrapped and and landing wrapped (with the rope behind your back) you just doing a TS R2R.
Old    Josh (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-22-2009, 9:27 AM Reply   
i vote R2R.
Old    Hunter (hunterw)      Join Date: Mar 2008       07-22-2009, 9:56 AM Reply   
toeside roll to revert
Old    Matt (ncsuuh)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-22-2009, 10:05 AM Reply   
Def. A toe backroll 2 revert. Not sure how you would land blind without a handle pass or being wrapped.
Old    Patrick Phoenix (boarderpat)      Join Date: Jul 2009       07-22-2009, 10:08 AM Reply   
that's why I asked about goofy/regular etc...

trailing hand in to the wake toeside could be the hand FARTHEST from the wake which would still be your FRONT hand...

Probably a toeside roll to revert as stated above...
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-22-2009, 10:31 AM Reply   
it is called "to blind"... think about a bat-to-blind... same concept
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-22-2009, 10:37 AM Reply   
no wrapped landing here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

still called "to blind"
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-22-2009, 11:19 AM Reply   
TS R2R is a frontside spin... he is spinning BS.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       07-22-2009, 11:41 AM Reply   
my bet is still a TS FS R2R. I can not imagine some one doing a TS Role To Blind on accident, I think that he may be thinking he is spinning BS but is actually spinning FS. But again w/o vidoe who knows.
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-22-2009, 11:45 AM Reply   
agreed. FS spin would be R2R for sure. BS spin is R2B for sure.

Zane: W/O video proof we have determined that your trick is...



...undeterminable.
Old    Josh (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-22-2009, 11:50 AM Reply   
i was thinking the same thing...most likely if someone was doing r2b's they would probably have a pretty firm knowledge of the sport and what fs and bs meant as well as blind.
Old    Luker (xbones)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-22-2009, 12:09 PM Reply   
I assumed if he was actually landing a TS roll variation he would be able to distinguish the diff b/t a FS and BS spin.
Old    wakemania (wakemania)      Join Date: Sep 2008       07-22-2009, 12:17 PM Reply   
I think a R2B would be possible without cuffing or passing the handle. He said he had to duck under the rope to avoid passing. Let's say he is regular and coming in TS. If he lets go with his left hand, he would have to ole the handle so to speak over his head and then rotate backside and land switch heel. Am I seeing this right? Sounds like a tough spin, but so is a TS BS 180.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       07-22-2009, 12:19 PM Reply   
I hear ya Luker.

I was not trying to be a dick when I said that it just a R2R. But you know on a TS R2R the 180 does seem like its a Blind 180 if you just think about the trick, but as we all know in fact it is a FS 180. I have tried a million TS FR to Blind and they are wicked hard and super unnatural feeling.
Old    Zane Bushey (zanezibar)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-22-2009, 12:26 PM Reply   
To clarify , I start toeside (regular stance) throw the flip over my right shoulder and just today i started holding on with both hands and locking my elbows then rotate the back one landing switch facing the boat on my heel edge
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       07-22-2009, 12:27 PM Reply   
Most people forget to think about a toeside front side spin as such. Because you spin away from the boat like a HS/BS spin a lot of people get confused. I'm saying he's doing a roll to revert, but thinks he's spinning backside.

I agree... If you're doing a roll to blind, you probably know what you're doing.
Old    Josh (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-22-2009, 12:31 PM Reply   
your not passing the handle and you're not landing wrapped?
Old    Russell Lowry (somebuddy)      Join Date: Jun 2009       07-22-2009, 12:32 PM Reply   
Yeah that's a T/S r2r. You are spinning frontside, not backside.
Old    Russell Lowry (somebuddy)      Join Date: Jun 2009       07-22-2009, 12:34 PM Reply   
On second thought, the way you describe flipping over your right shoulder you may be doing a scarecrow.
Old    Zane Bushey (zanezibar)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-22-2009, 12:36 PM Reply   
haha alright its a R2R . I was a little confused sorry for all the poor descriptions and thanks for the help
Old    Jason Callen (westsidarider)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-22-2009, 2:25 PM Reply   
While your flipping are you rotating with your feet coming up behind you or do your feet come up in front of you? The last description you wrote sounds like they are coming up behind you making the trick a scarecrow
Old    Zane Bushey (zanezibar)      Join Date: Nov 2008       07-22-2009, 6:36 PM Reply   
nah the descriptions were a little off i just took another set and it is a toe R2R sorry im dumb

thanks for the help everyone

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