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Old    J-Mo (popkarma)      Join Date: May 2008       07-05-2009, 6:12 PM Reply   
I have an x-10 with 2 extra sacks in the back and a curved bow sack. My wake is really really rampy to the point where its really frustrating to ride behind because i barely get pop. I ride behind other boats and i get launched. my wake makes it hard to pop for spins because there is so much tension in the line. How can i weight my boat to steepen the wake. i ride at about 75 feet at 25 or 26 mph.
Old    Dave (daveronix199)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-05-2009, 6:17 PM Reply   
slow down the boat speed put more weight in the back of the boat then in the front
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-05-2009, 6:17 PM Reply   
More weight in the back, if you boat has a plate adjust it up.
Old    David Hickman (evadehickman)      Join Date: Apr 2008       07-05-2009, 6:27 PM Reply   
You seem more experienced than me, but I find that my wake lays down a lot once I'm past 23 mph. 25 or 26 seems like it could really affect your wake shape a lot.

I've ridden behind an X-10 (I think) that had a moderate amount of weight and the wake was super steep at about 22 mph. What happens when you ride behind your boat at a slower speed?
Old    gangstar (joe_crawley)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-05-2009, 6:28 PM Reply   
slow down or go longer, 26 is too fast for 75 feet. Dave and Darren are also right, more weight in the back will steepen it up
Old    J-Mo (popkarma)      Join Date: May 2008       07-05-2009, 8:15 PM Reply   
a very experienced friend of mine just told me that weight in the front made it steeper...and i dont ride slower because...well its too slow. i cant throw my tricks way into the flats that way and i can go a lot bigger.
Old    Jeremy (jsweat)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-05-2009, 8:27 PM Reply   
your friend that told you more weight in the front was wrong. if you want steep wake you have to have more weight in the back
Old    murrayair            07-05-2009, 9:37 PM Reply   
^^Agreed. Weight in the back makes the wake steeper. Weight in the front makes it mellower.
Old    J-Mo (popkarma)      Join Date: May 2008       07-05-2009, 10:21 PM Reply   
whenever i weight it more in the back though. the boat wont plane and surges and bounces when i hit the slightest wake..
Old    Tony Prevatt (dixiebmxer)      Join Date: May 2009       07-06-2009, 2:15 AM Reply   
Well if you are just going to keep doing the same thing and tell us we are all wrong why did you post this topic?
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-06-2009, 4:52 AM Reply   
Your friend is wrong... more weight in the back will make it steeper.

PORPOISING: B/c you have too much weight in the front!! SLOW DOWN, more weight in the back. It's that simple.
Old    J-Mo (popkarma)      Join Date: May 2008       07-06-2009, 10:13 AM Reply   
im not telling you are wrong. and im not doing the same thing obviously...because i posted this last night. im telling you my experience and everything i have tried and heard to gain further understanding and learn how this works. kthx.
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-06-2009, 10:23 AM Reply   
maybe a different prop is in order?... i have little to no experience in weighting boats myself, but i know the theories and such. let us know what prop (if you know the details on it) you are using and some other guys experienced might be able to pin point something on this aspect.
i read a lot how people have to use a different prop after adding weight
Old    Miguel (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-06-2009, 10:25 AM Reply   
add more weight to the rear - BUT you still need weight in the bow. Just more to the rear = 60 or 70 rear - 40, 30 front.
Old    Erik (etakk7)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-06-2009, 10:26 AM Reply   
I agree with the prop comment.
Old    AtTheLake (bmartin)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-06-2009, 11:02 AM Reply   
My experience suggests that you will porpoise more, have a harder time getting on plane, and have a steeper wake the more weight you throw in the rear. Everything else being equal, don't think a new prop will help much with porposing or how steep the wake is, but will get you on plane if you drop the pitch. Slowing down will get your wake steeper, wider, and possibly softer.

Once you have a certain hull, you can only tinker at the margins of the shape with wake plates, speed, and weight placement. If you truly want a steep wake, a new hull is in order - SANs and Storm series Centurions.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-06-2009, 11:41 AM Reply   
Thats an X-10 for you. I've never had any luck building a good meaty wake with that hull.
Old    Jeff Mathis (bbsxkills)      Join Date: Dec 2008       07-06-2009, 2:46 PM Reply   
get a nautique
Old    Sippi (sippi)      Join Date: Dec 2007       07-06-2009, 2:54 PM Reply   
A buddy of mine has an x10 and we weight the crap out of it. You said you have 2 extra sacs in the back, how big are they? Also how much is your sac up front? What stock ballast do you have ? Like rear, center, bow? I'll tell you 26 or 27 is way too fast at 75 feet. Your taking everything to the flats because your skimming over the rooster tail at that speed. It'd be like taking all the weight out and going 22. If you wanna ride that fast ride at at least 80. But 75 and 22-23 is money. Oh yea how many people do you have in your boat and where do they sit?
Old    Jeffrey Blanchard (eternalshadow)      Join Date: Nov 2001       07-06-2009, 4:48 PM Reply   
Instead of adding more weight to the back... why not reconfigure the weight you have, as others have suggested moving a greater percentage to the back?

If you're talking about line tension on spins, evaluate your progressive edge. If you're getting pop behind other boats and not yours, have you considered adjusting your timing? You can still get big pop on a rampy wake, you just have to wait a fraction longer to pop. Boat speed plays into timing. Try slowing things down and working on a big up push wake to wake, not always taking things into the flats. Watch the wakejump video on wakeworld, it talks about different cuts and jumps.

http://www.wakeworld.com/getarticle.asp?articleid=2258
Old    J-Mo (popkarma)      Join Date: May 2008       07-07-2009, 1:24 AM Reply   
thanks guys for your input. Im pretty experienced with different cuts. i guess really the most affected is my trip flip edge. scared to start tryin crowmobes behind my boat cuz they are a lot lower than other boats. thanks for the help guys i have a lot to play around with now to try to help my situation
Old    J-Mo (popkarma)      Join Date: May 2008       07-19-2009, 6:33 PM Reply   
slowed the boat down, little slower than i want to ride but made the wake nice and meaty. and steep. course i have to ride shorter too :-( and i read on wakeboarder.org that more weight in the front DOES make it steeper. I have people and web sites telling me that more weight up there is steeper and i have people telling me its the back ARG! lol but its nice for now.
Old    Jeremy (jsweat)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-19-2009, 6:36 PM Reply   
if anyone told you more weight up front makes the wake steeper they do not have a clue what they are talking about. to have a steep wake you need weight all over but a substantial amount more in the back
Old    Garret Schmidt (garret_s)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-19-2009, 7:51 PM Reply   
more weight in the front of a boat will not make it steeper. It will clean up the lip of the wake, and make the wake run cleaner further back (basically, reduces white-wash). However, it will not add steepness to the wake. To do that, you need more in the back. Keep in mind though that you need a 60/40 split on weight, and if you are having trouble getting on plane, you probably are already too slammed in the back. Sounds like it might be time to work on your fundamentals?

The people from Wakeboarder.org seem very confused.
Old    Robert Bailey (bailey)      Join Date: May 2001       07-19-2009, 8:43 PM Reply   
You really need a ton of weight to ride at 26 mph. Almost all of the boats out there are designed to plane at that speed so the wake will get smaller. Weight in the back will make it steeper and softer but will also make it harder to plane, hold speed, and porpoise. You need to mess around with where your weight is to find a happy medium.
Old    Keith (hawaiianstiln)      Join Date: Oct 2004       07-19-2009, 10:02 PM Reply   
More weight in the front will not make it steeper. What everyone is telling you is correct.. That's exactly why they made the "attitude plate" for MasterCrafts if I'm not mistaking. You can put the attitude plate on and put the plate down to get the bow down and it will flatten the wake out. It's almost the same as weighting the crap out of the bow to get the nose down and it will flatten your wake a bit.

I ride behind my X2 at 24.5-25 mph at 80' and still throw tricks into the flats (HS fronts, tantrums, TS fronts, etc). 25-26 mph at 75 feet seems way to fast.

Post your question on the mastercraft forum at http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/ if you want to hear it from them as well.
Old    Eyekahn (eyekahn)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-20-2009, 6:07 AM Reply   
Unless you have at least 4k in your boat 26mph is way to fast, especially for 75ft. I ride 26 at 85-87ft behind a vlx with almost 4500 in it and the wake is alot smaller than at 25. Since you like to ride a short rope why not go 70ft and slow down to 23? Also, boat speed does not get you into the flats line length does.
Longer line = longer cuts and less pull from the rope when going into the flats.

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