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Old    GettingOlder (magellan)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-07-2009, 4:05 PM Reply   
Although small, a teaser pic of the 2010 Faction.

http://blog.ridecwb.com/
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-07-2009, 10:18 PM Reply   
Fingers crossed for no hinge.
Old    Danny Turner (hypoxic_films)      Join Date: Dec 2003       07-07-2009, 10:23 PM Reply   
I bet people will say 210 in 2010. I will
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-07-2009, 10:27 PM Reply   
I am going to go with twenty ten. I do like two ten. only time will tell.
Old    CWB Board Co. (thedoubleupkid)      Join Date: May 2008       07-08-2009, 11:10 AM Reply   
Proline tease up
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-08-2009, 11:51 AM Reply   
Spencer, interesting. Never heard of anyone that didn't like the hinge. In fact, it's the reason I ride CWBs. Some kid jammed his ace on the hinge, so they flip down now. just curious.

I'm just going to say "ten".
Old    Johan BumboClat (hyule)      Join Date: Nov 2006       07-08-2009, 12:19 PM Reply   
hinge is redundant
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       07-08-2009, 12:38 PM Reply   
"hinge is redundant" what does that mean?
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       07-08-2009, 1:01 PM Reply   
Johan, redundant.

So you think the hinge is not necessary?
Old    M-Dizzle (liquidmx)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-08-2009, 1:40 PM Reply   
I had a pair of answers and literally could not ride them. The hinge dug into my achilles and I was left limping after every set (I rode them a few sets just to be sure...switching them out with regular binders).
Old    Taylor Jensen (wakeboardertj)      Join Date: May 2005       07-08-2009, 1:40 PM Reply   
i love the hinge, only way i can get my size 15s in there so easily.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-08-2009, 1:59 PM Reply   
M-Dizzle, you know you can adjust the forward lean that the Hinge creates right? If they are pushing on your achilles, then you need to loosen up the tension on the cable.
Old    what what (snowman89)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-08-2009, 2:29 PM Reply   
I thought I hated the hinge because I was always trying out too big of a size. I have size 10.5 feet so I always tried size large and hated them. The hinge would still hold my foot down but the rest of the binding didn't feel right. The first time I tried the medium I instantly loved the hinge bindings, I tried going back to my Ronix kais once after but it made me realize how much heel lift I had in them and they just didn't drain well (so comfy though)
Old    Tony Miorana (tentcitygoon)      Join Date: Mar 2006       07-08-2009, 2:53 PM Reply   
Seems like the hinge is a bit of a selling point for beginners. I just don't understand why you need a metal hinge and cables to wakeboard. Most wakeboard boots are over built as is, so why complicate things further? Just slide right in; my wife doesn't have a hinge.
Old    Blake Andersen (blaketheho)      Join Date: May 2007       07-08-2009, 3:03 PM Reply   
Tony, I don't want to see how you use your boots.
Old    David Bell (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-08-2009, 3:10 PM Reply   
Trying to put the Zues bindings on without the hinge and a ton of Newt Juice was almost impossible. The hinge has done wonders to the CWB line-up.

I figured it saved me about $50 in slime each year.
Old    M-Dizzle (liquidmx)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-08-2009, 3:54 PM Reply   
Yup, I adjusted the tension several times Heavy. For some reason they always dug into my Achilles and I could never figure out why. I talked to a few other folks with similar complaints.

I agree Tony. The only thing I could see as a benefit is if they can get a tighter heal cup and a generally tighter fit (without the cramps obviously).
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-08-2009, 8:25 PM Reply   
2010 Proline LGS tease Now!

what would be the "S"

looks like one of them is quilted with the stitches crossing
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       07-08-2009, 8:27 PM Reply   
one has the stitching parallel to the bar, one criss crossed and the third is perpendicular to the bar
Old    B Poser (bbr)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-08-2009, 9:54 PM Reply   
I know, I know....but I'm not tellin any of you!
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       07-08-2009, 10:06 PM Reply   
Jeremy, i think they stitched the handles up so they dont get the sagging and slipping in the grip like the normal LGs get.

im also not a fan of the hinge because of the same reason M-Dizzle stated. I've found a lot of people that cant stand the way they feel, but then others love them. I think in 2006 the hinge was great because everything was hard to put on, but now all current bindings can be put on dry with no problems. The hinge isnt needed any longer.

I cant wait to see the 2010 CWB line up though. i heard there will be big changes.
Old    Spencer (spencerwm)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-08-2009, 10:21 PM Reply   
Why cut a boot in half and use a hinge to put them back together? Are they easy to get in and out of? Have you put your foot in any binding ]from 2007 to this year?

I like my boots to wrap around my foot and hold me down with no pain.

I have ridden a hinge boot every year since they came out and they never really felt totally comfortable to me. I know a lot of people that wouldn't ride anything else so there is a market for them.
Old    jray377 (wakeandmx)      Join Date: Apr 2009       07-08-2009, 10:25 PM Reply   
back to Danny, I hope i have a new 210 in 2010. kinda off topic.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       07-09-2009, 9:55 AM Reply   
Did anyone else get the new Alliance Mag (August)?

C-dub has a pic of the 2010 Marius (new closed toe binding) not the board, no hinge and it comes in at 1lb 13oz, looks really sick, check it out!!
Old    Ben Ax (hawkeye7708)      Join Date: Feb 2007       07-09-2009, 10:00 AM Reply   
I'll be saying Twenty Ten. We had a debate about this on the water the other day haha
Old    Shane (wakebrdrnc)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-09-2009, 10:44 AM Reply   
I love my hinge. Every other binding feels loose to me without the hinge.
Old    Dave Penner (lildave)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-11-2009, 8:59 PM Reply   
Everyone I ride with has hinge bindings now. I bet over the course of a day we save 15-20 minutes just changing riders since it literally takes like 30 seconds to put the board on.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-14-2009, 9:20 AM Reply   
Ehh, to each their own. Just ordered another pair of hinge-tech greatness. Faction this time. Be here today or tomorrow. Can't wait.

"Just slide right in; my wife doesn't have a hinge."
I better if it had purple-helmet kidneys and the softest bone-bed in the bidness, you'd need a hinge to get in it! No lube son, turn it over and knock it out the frame!
Old    Johan BumboClat (hyule)      Join Date: Nov 2006       07-14-2009, 10:19 AM Reply   
My lousy opinion only: hinge is redundant (or not necessary). This is b/c the whole feature is meant for easy entry and exit while maintaining support. BUT, almost every other boot in the industry does this without using a similar feature. Are LF/SS/HYP/GB/RONIX/ETC. boots so difficult to get into and out of that a hinge feature is justified? I tend to think no. So, it seems like a feature that is not only useless but potentially detrimental (e.g. hinge boots tend to be very stiff at the back and the hinge can pop open unintentionally). Bottom line: I dont see any clear advantage of using it. Maybe someone can enlighten me....
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       07-14-2009, 10:42 AM Reply   
Its not just about easy in and out, its about heel lift, you get no heel lift in Hinge boots.

If you put on a pair of Zeus's, then you will see it is not about entry and exit WRT the high end hinge boots, its about how nice the tension from the hinge keeps your heel locked down.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-14-2009, 10:46 AM Reply   
Johan, for beginners learning the sport the Hinge is awesome. They can get in and out of the board while in the water with ease. It really is great for folks that don't have a swim step, just dive in and put your boot on.

For the advanced riders, the Hinge eliminates heel lift. Instead of sliding down into the heel pocket you are able to push the heel piece forward and lock down your heel. If you size em right they are one of the most secure boots you can find.

Try em and see if they work for you, as you can see, there are a lot of folks that swear by em.
Old    Michael Hawthorne (all_board_rider)      Join Date: May 2009       07-14-2009, 10:53 AM Reply   
i swear by em! and cant wait to sliide my foot right in to those 210's and hopefuly lock my heel down with the hinge-tech that im hoping will still be there...we got a pair of the 2010 prototypes at the shop about a month ago...and i will say that there was a peice of metal still on he back of the boot...dont know if they stuck with it or changed it up...we shall see!
Old    ajmac            07-14-2009, 11:19 AM Reply   
I just saw steve bates on twitter telling everyone to wait 6 weeks if they are in the market for new boots. I can't wait to see what they come out with.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-14-2009, 11:29 AM Reply   
"So, it seems like a feature that is not only useless but potentially detrimental (e.g. hinge boots tend to be very stiff at the back and the hinge can pop open unintentionally). Bottom line: I dont see any clear advantage of using it. Maybe someone can enlighten me...."

I wear a size 13. Before hinge boots, I had never found a binding that I could get in/out of, that fit my foot. Everything that "fit" took 15 minutes and several ounces of soap/lube to put on. Now I've got a slippery but cramping foot shoved into a binding. That's fun for about 3 minutes. Then, its time to take them off... give me another 10 minutes, my foot is asleep but stuck in the binding and hurts like a mofo. No thanks.

So you see Johan, "This is b/c the whole feature is meant for easy entry and exit while maintaining support." I'll add that no other boot comes close to this kind of support. Not sure about what the other guys are doing wrong. Haven't owned any of that junk in several years.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-14-2009, 11:30 AM Reply   
Oh yea, I've NEVER had a hinge pop open...
.edit.
If it did, a small cable adjustment would fix it. Try to adjust the stance and feel of any other binding out there.

(Message edited by denverd1 on July 14, 2009)
Old    David Bell (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-14-2009, 12:32 PM Reply   
I think Johan was talking about the 2007 Factions and CWB brought out a fix for that problem.
Old    Dave (daveronix199)      Join Date: Feb 2009       07-14-2009, 2:12 PM Reply   
IMO HINGE SUCKS GOOD IDEA BUT JUST POINTLESSS
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       07-14-2009, 2:26 PM Reply   
It sucks, but is a good idea, but just pointless, what????

Dude put down that duber.
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       07-14-2009, 2:33 PM Reply   
I like the hinge for the heel hold. Never had my heel move the slightest bit. Tried out my buddy's Watsons and they just felt sort of sloppy
Old    CWB Board Co. (thedoubleupkid)      Join Date: May 2008       07-14-2009, 4:08 PM Reply   
All of our high-end bindings got a top-to-bottom overhaul for 2010 w/ two new models. Under 2lb., new ergo plate/footbed, and new unnamed heel-hold system.
Old    Chuck H. (toesideturtle)      Join Date: Oct 2002       07-14-2009, 4:21 PM Reply   
I've been rockin a 2010 model prototype hinge binding for the past couple of months. Let's just say it is the best fitting, most comfortable binding I have ever worn. I am hell on bindings, very picky, have a narrow foot with a high arch---these bindings are awesome! You don't have to listen to anyone online--including me--just go check out the 2010 CWB binding line up for yourself.
Old    Roddyrod (wakeslife)      Join Date: Jul 2005       07-14-2009, 9:08 PM Reply   
My guess is some sort of heel hold 'locking' device that doesn't require the entire boot to be cut in half. Excited to see whats up...
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-15-2009, 8:10 AM Reply   
Size 15 here and before the hinge I had the same problems as those above, foot fell asleep, ridiculous amounts of lube to get the foot in and out, etc. I've never had the hinge pop open on mine and I don't have any problems with it digging into my heel either - love the hinge!
Old    wakejjboard12            07-15-2009, 1:18 PM Reply   
derek grasman has a pic up on his blog... http://derekgrasman.wordpress.com/
Old    Mateo (wkbrdr)      Join Date: Jan 2006       07-15-2009, 4:10 PM Reply   
Upload
Old    ajmac            07-16-2009, 4:30 AM Reply   
If you check out the section about cable parks in the latest Wakeboarding Mag. There is a picture of AA wearing those bindings ^^ and you can see what looks like a hinge still on the heel.
Old    Mateo (wkbrdr)      Join Date: Jan 2006       07-16-2009, 4:52 PM Reply   
Check Out Derek's Blog!!!

http://derekgrasman.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/sneak-peekeramma/
Old    Derek Grasman (derek_grasman)      Join Date: Sep 2004       07-16-2009, 11:51 PM Reply   
There are a couple shots up on my site. One is of the new AA pro model boot the other is the faction and the other is a small shot of the new proline line. Check them out. Just go to Derekgrasman.wordpress.com and click Gear on the right side
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       07-16-2009, 11:58 PM Reply   
so they're a lighter version of vantages, but w/ hinges?
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       07-17-2009, 8:27 AM Reply   
Is that like a 4 inch plate?!?! That thing looks a lot more narrow than the current plate.
Old    CWB Board Co. (thedoubleupkid)      Join Date: May 2008       07-17-2009, 9:40 AM Reply   
Negative - the new boot pictured and the Vantage do both use Velcro but other than that, they are entirely different. The plate is still 6 inch.
Old    Michael Hawthorne (all_board_rider)      Join Date: May 2009       07-17-2009, 12:44 PM Reply   
Whats with that screw right next to the toe of the boot on grassmans teaser pic...it looks like 2 screws (on left side of the picture) where the original molded fins 'should' be!????
anticipation!!!!
Old    Kyle Marriott (kyle_m)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-17-2009, 1:19 PM Reply   
looks to me like C-Dub is going to be dropping some jaws in twenty-ten i might just have to invest in a new board i mean its like all the wakeboarders out here on the delta are riding them hahahaha time to jump on the bandwagon

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