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Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-18-2009, 2:49 PM Reply   
So i've been wakeboarding for two years now and I've hit a rode block. This is as good as it gets for me.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=57561 291

I would like to get more air so I can progress and do more. I'm a big boy 340lbs ride at 75' and 23mph My board is a era 147

Any suggestions? What am i doing so wrong besides enjoying beer and pizza just way to much? lol Is it even possible for me to get bigger air with out being in something that has wings and a motor?
Old    Jos (jtnz)      Join Date: Sep 2007       05-18-2009, 3:05 PM Reply   
Seen any pics of BG? He's a big guy but he goes HUGE, and destroys boards in new and unimaginable ways...

The water looks a little rough in the vid but you don't seem to be cutting in very hard, even close to the wake. Try leaning on that edge more.

The second jump it looks as though you might be letting off your edge just before the wake, hard to tell though.
Old    Gene Williams (gene3x)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-18-2009, 4:53 PM Reply   
Yeah more edge and hold it all the way up and through the top of the wake. You may feel a little more out of control at first but it will help big time for you to pull your handle in low and close as you comeup the wake. It looks like you are really letting the handle out when you land.

Smoother water will definately help you gain confidence.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       05-19-2009, 8:04 AM Reply   
edging drills will help. check out the book, #2 i believe.
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-19-2009, 8:19 AM Reply   
Thanks for the advice guys. We're hitting the delta this weekend so I'll work on my edging, I do have the book so I'll pop that in too. Where can I find video or pics of BG going big? I'd love to see that. Thanks for the advice guys.
Old    RileyBangerter (steezyshots)      Join Date: Feb 2008       05-19-2009, 8:26 AM Reply   
Get the Hyperlite Marek it will do the work for you!
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-19-2009, 9:00 AM Reply   
Ahhh come on Riley!

You have some things to work on Robert. I'd agree with working on your edge. Once you get comfortable clearing the wake with your current set up, begin adding line length, and then relearn the w2w jump.

You'll need to learn a good wake to wake pop. Drift in nice and slow, then edge hard up the wake, crouch down and stand tall.
Old    dglow            05-19-2009, 9:18 AM Reply   
Bg is my big bro check out the Cie his in that http://www.wakeworld.com/getarticle.asp?articleid=2148 his also in the cwb faction vid.Here a interview with him on wakeworldhttp://www.wakeworld.com/getarticle.asp?articleid=1459.Heres some pixUpload
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Old    dglow            05-19-2009, 9:22 AM Reply   
like they said with your cut and try popping off the wake
Old    RileyBangerter (steezyshots)      Join Date: Feb 2008       05-19-2009, 9:31 AM Reply   
hahahaha!
Old    David F (focker)      Join Date: Aug 2006       05-19-2009, 10:03 AM Reply   
200+ pounder throwing a hoochie glide with jean shorts on. There's something you dont see everday.
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-19-2009, 10:42 AM Reply   
wow just watched the vid of BG I guess I have no excuses. I'll go harder this weekend and see what I come up with!
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-19-2009, 10:51 AM Reply   
BG is the MAN! His method crows are sick!
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-19-2009, 2:42 PM Reply   
how does B G Do that what speed and rope lenght does he ride at? I notice the wake is huge behind that boat also I wonder how much he has in his boat
Old    Shane Cook (wakedork)      Join Date: May 2009       05-19-2009, 2:59 PM Reply   
First speed up the boat, looks like you wake is mush, and your busting through it. Also looks as if your sinking the board. It's should be big enough so you need more speed. If it feels to fast lengthen your rope. Add more weight, bigger teh wake easier it is. Now work on edge and body position.

Edge out hard, let up, start to drift back in, set your edge. Don't put your butt on the water. Lean back by bendning your knees. Practice this off the water when you edge your shoulders, hips and ankles should be in alignment with each other. In this position lean back and bring the handle into your waist. A good way to practice this off the water is to tie a handle to something sturdy (I usuallly say a door knob, hope you got strong doors, lol) anyway practice "squatting and leaning against the rope" remember this when you go to the water.

Now approaching the wake you need to "build your edge" start off slow and rock back like a rocking chair so you edging hardest at the wake. At teh trough let up slightly and stand tall off teh top of the wake pusing the handle down to your hips. Remember you are a spring, coil up coming into the wake and release off the top. You should be sailing in no time.

(Message edited by wakedork on May 19, 2009)
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       05-19-2009, 8:23 PM Reply   
Get up earlier and don't ride when it is so dam* choppy out...
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-20-2009, 10:13 AM Reply   
We started riding at the brink of Dawn, but we ride all day. Remember I'm big and out of shape! So I do a 10 minute run every hour or so Its all my fat A@# can handle! lol

And San Antonio chops out quick too!

We're hitting the delta this weekend so it shouldn't be a problem to get some nice water.
Old    Johnny Neves (johnny_jr)      Join Date: Mar 2006       05-20-2009, 1:09 PM Reply   
Robert is Johnny from LT, call me up I'll set you up with a great coach.
Old    Josh Weitekamp (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       05-21-2009, 10:03 AM Reply   
Cut Harder..........DUH !
Old    Jos (jtnz)      Join Date: Sep 2007       05-21-2009, 5:39 PM Reply   
^^ Helpful...
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-23-2009, 2:28 PM Reply   
lets see if what all y'all said helps we will be trying them out tomorrow on the dirty d I got the camera charged so you will get some footage and post
Old    Dennis (denystaucd)      Join Date: Feb 2003       05-24-2009, 3:51 PM Reply   
Look at Jason Bufflo on the first Delta Sessions for a big guy going big. I learn a lot by watching guys board of similar size/length to myself. Since a lot off pro/video riders are much shorter then me.
Cheers.
DC
Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-24-2009, 4:24 PM Reply   
JB: circa 2003

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Old    Rich Dykmans (richd)      Join Date: Oct 2003       05-24-2009, 4:27 PM Reply   
I think Buff used to ride a 90' rope at about 28 mph.
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-25-2009, 4:50 PM Reply   
Trogdor nice comment and profile! lol If only it where so easy!

Did alot better this weekend we just got back from the Dirty 'D' Got alot higher and actually cleared the wake. Garry's gonna post a link up for the vids. I actually got enough confidence to go for a flip! (didn't turn out so well, bet heck you gotta try right?)

We rode 23mph a little longer on the rope and with the ballast full and the wedge down. I cut harder but think I still need to cut harder?
Old    Mike Roese (ukiman)      Join Date: May 2009       05-25-2009, 6:05 PM Reply   
dude...hit me up. I am a big guy and an "advanced" rider. I live in AG and can get you bustin in no time.
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-25-2009, 6:24 PM Reply   
Mike next time we hit naci I'll hit you up for sure! No worries. Just not sure when we're heading down to the cabin. Probably in a week or two I'll shoot you an email!
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-26-2009, 10:15 AM Reply   
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=57979 804
trying a tantrum going faster any advice? I think I just need to wait a little longer.

(Message edited by gwperry2 on May 26, 2009)
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-26-2009, 10:24 AM Reply   
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=57980 711
A raley attempt any advice on this?
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-26-2009, 10:50 AM Reply   
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=57981 656
Big robert trying the hsbr
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-26-2009, 10:58 AM Reply   
Thanks Gary, didn't realize how embarrassing that attempt was untell I saw the footage! lol
Maybe if I actually cut in a little harder I might land on something other then my head! lol

p.s. We gotta change the ipod because the music is just constantly getting worse! Last weekend we had michael jackson and duran duran in the vids and now you got me riding to taylor swift? Next thing you know you'll have footage of us riding in pink hats! Wait you did that! lol Gotta love wearing what you find in the dirty D
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-26-2009, 2:07 PM Reply   
ya we look like a bunch of fools we need to start going big doing other tricks I need to learn how to progress my riding.
Old    Brian M (macattack)      Join Date: May 2009       05-26-2009, 2:46 PM Reply   
i just skimmed through all this but one thing i was taught and didnt see you do is to stand up when your popping off the wake, your knees are absorbing some of the pop and you dont want that.
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-26-2009, 3:20 PM Reply   
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=57996 427
How do I land in the flats and not crash.
Old    Mike Roese (ukiman)      Join Date: May 2009       05-27-2009, 9:40 PM Reply   
for the tantrum and the back roll you are taking off too early. On the tantrum, cut in a bit harder, level out and ride up to the top of the wake then throw the shoulders back. you leave at the middle of the wake. on the back roll you are starting the head motion at the bottom of the wake. Take your time on both. I also think that another 1000 lbs in the boat would help. the wake is a bit small at least compared to what I am used to riding behind. Big guys need big wakes. I am 6'5" 245 and we ride with 3500lbs + in the boat. How are you weighting your boat?

(Message edited by ukiman on May 27, 2009)
Old    Mike Roese (ukiman)      Join Date: May 2009       05-27-2009, 9:42 PM Reply   
Robert,
totally hit me up. I do need all the advanced notice that I can get though. Weekends are busy this time of year with traveling soccer stuff for the daughter. I think we are around until fathers day weekend though.
Old    Mike Roese (ukiman)      Join Date: May 2009       05-27-2009, 9:44 PM Reply   
also how fast and what rope length are you riding?
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       05-28-2009, 7:10 AM Reply   
I think we had about 3000lbs of ballast and we were going 23 @ 75'. we are just getting ready for the season you have to remeber this second ride out trying to get the spider webs out. At the end of last year I was riding at 23.7 and 75 but not a full ballast.
Old     (1boarder_kevin)      Join Date: Mar 2007       05-29-2009, 4:21 PM Reply   
I am a big (read overweight) guy. You can still go big, but it hurts more and I worry about my knees and ankles. Find the biggest board you can find and run 25 mph. I ride the 146 Marek and ride at 80 ft. I am 245 lbs. Here is a pic of me doing a front flip.
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Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-29-2009, 4:39 PM Reply   
Nice kevin, heading back to the delta in the morning I'll try going 25 and 80 and hit it harder. I'll get there this summer for sure! Thanks for the inspiration everyone!
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-03-2009, 5:48 PM Reply   
So no new footage of me riding I hit the delta up with a bunch of girls and really didn't ride much, but Gary hit up Mclure this weekend and landed the flip. Check out the vid, I say it looked dirty but he says he landed it and I still haven't so i have to give him credit on that one! lol
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=58407 467
Old    Luke Power (powercorps)      Join Date: Nov 2006       06-03-2009, 6:37 PM Reply   
My suggestion would be to go faster. I weigh 150 and I ride at 23. I feel like if i doubled my weight up I would need to go faster to get any air. I do not really know but its worth a try.
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       06-04-2009, 7:36 AM Reply   
I land my first tantrum of the year and it early so I am super stoked. I now ride at 78ft and 24.7 behind my buddies Centerion. When I get behind the malibu I only ride at 22 or 23 why is this?
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-04-2009, 9:16 AM Reply   
You can't handle my wake! lol

Grow a pair and run 25 like me! lol

Wish I could land the flip though. Good job Gary, but it's on!
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       06-04-2009, 9:59 AM Reply   
@ 25 the wake was like a speed bump I want a vert ramp
Old    Eubanks (eubanks01)      Join Date: Jun 2001       06-04-2009, 10:19 AM Reply   
Add more weight!
Old    Soli (nsolis220)      Join Date: May 2007       06-04-2009, 10:45 AM Reply   
malibu's you just dont have to go as fast. See the thread about rope lenghth and speed. Most people ride 75-80 at 22.5 -23.5
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       06-04-2009, 10:48 AM Reply   
25 or 24 was way to fast for me didn't like it at all Y does it seem like you are riding way faster then other boats?
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-04-2009, 10:57 AM Reply   
Gary it was probably because the way we were riding into the current plus we didn't have the fat sacs filled. Quit crying about how you can't handle going 25 We'll sack up and sink the Bu and you'll love it again. Man you sure are fickle. One second the Bu has the best wake you've ever seen the next you call it a speed bump? Might have to find a new wingman that doesn't complain so much! lol

Personally I think it was all the drivers fault! Who was driving? Ooops that was me! lol
Old    Gary Perry (gwperry2)      Join Date: May 2009       06-04-2009, 11:05 AM Reply   
Must have been the driver r the fact that I almost got taken out by a fishing line!!!!!!!!!!! And the wake is the sh*t on the BU no complaning from me the FUELGUY
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-04-2009, 11:18 AM Reply   
Yea how did that fishing line taste?

The best was how the fisherman yelled at us and said people fish on the delta you shouldn't wakeboard here and then preceded to call us dicks! Next time we're grabbing his fishing pole and shoving it up his a@#!
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       06-04-2009, 11:35 AM Reply   
Mike Roese, man I met you years ago! We rode Lopez early. How is the family? Back then your daughter was just a little tike. Still got the same Malibu? Anyways, good to see you on here. Let me know if you ever need another for some early AM Blopez sets.
Old    Johnny Zappa (wakefish)      Join Date: Jul 2006       06-04-2009, 12:05 PM Reply   
Robert You need to slam that bu. I am 270 and have the same boat. I ride at 23 and the difference between factory and extra ballast is night and day.
Old    Robert Mitchell (2006maliblue)      Join Date: Mar 2009       06-04-2009, 12:20 PM Reply   
We usually ride with all the factory tanks full and the wedge down and 1500lbs in two fat sacs but tuesday night we were heading to taco tuesdays on the dirty d and just were to lazy to fill those sacs up. It is a huge difference with sacs and without. Gary just invested in some lead too so we'll be able to really sink the Bu. If you look at my profile pic I have no problem submerging the Bu.
Old    Mike Roese (ukiman)      Join Date: May 2009       06-04-2009, 10:25 PM Reply   
Stephan...whats up? I think I remember you. How did we get hooked up? were you Tylers buddy? We had lots of different people in and out of the boat back then. Same boat, but thinking about selling it and getting a v-drive. fam is good. Ashley is 16 now, insane!!! we also have an 8 year old girl. I will hit you up for riding some time. We only got out a couple of times last year due to gas prices and Ashley's busy soccer schedule but hope to ride more this summer. Just tuned up the boat and ready to go.

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