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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-16-2009, 12:36 PM Reply   
I asked Todd at Proctor surfboards to build James a board based on his Titanium series construction. Fairly interesting construction with a Kevlar "compression patch" on the deck, carbon patches over the stringers to prevent heel dents and delam on the perimeter stringers.

Todd sent me photos of the blank off the machine:

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-16-2009, 1:19 PM Reply   
and it will be delivered the same time the Coil board will. lol
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-17-2009, 11:38 AM Reply   
Well i see you are spending lot of $ on James this year to find the best board that works for him. Its what every good parent does.
Old    Drew Danielo (ollies_drew)      Join Date: Jan 2008       04-18-2009, 7:05 AM Reply   
I thought james had pro Model board with walker project. Do they not care if he is out riding all these other boards. That sounds weird????

(Message edited by ollies_drew on April 18, 2009)
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-18-2009, 4:31 PM Reply   
I believe the concept you are referring to, Drew, is a "contract". As I've stated before, James has no contract and never has with The Walker Project.

My second post, the fifth in the thread from about 7 months ago.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/87668/621855.html
Old    Drew Danielo (ollies_drew)      Join Date: Jan 2008       04-19-2009, 7:27 AM Reply   
Gotcha, I was just wondering.
Old    wardovision (caskimmer)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-19-2009, 8:30 AM Reply   
A pro model without residuals? ouch
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-19-2009, 9:09 AM Reply   
LOL - yeah, because the 40 units Mike will sell of the JWPM in a year will devestate James long-term financial goals. I don't know how he'll EVER recover from the loss of $200 in the 48 years he has left to work.

What's with the Zap consortium on this subject?
Old    wardovision (caskimmer)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-19-2009, 9:49 AM Reply   
consortium? I don't work for Zap. I did some freelance work for their next video and have friends on the team but I'm not an employee or representative in any shape or form.

I've just never heard of a "pro bono" pro model (in any boardsport) before and it got my curiosity going. It might not that big deal to him but it makes it that much harder for the next guy.

Also while the numbers might be minimal IMO that type of practice is detrimental to the development of wakesurfing as a legitimate sport.

(Message edited by CAskimmer on April 19, 2009)

(Message edited by CAskimmer on April 19, 2009)
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-19-2009, 10:02 AM Reply   
I just liked your profile on their team page. Cool shades. :-)

Yeah, won't argue the sport development issue, it'd be great if Mike could sell a million units and kick James 25%, just isn't in the cards and folks aren't lining up to sign James. The best deal that James was ever offered was 2 free boards and no residual or other monetary compensation. What does a used board sell for, maybe $150? That was before the full effect of the recession. I'd guess the infancy of the industry and sport don't drive rider sponsorships higher. I'm also sure that the current economy as hit manufacturers hard.
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-22-2009, 12:02 PM Reply   
Surfdad ,
i am ready to see the 2 boards , man the proctor will be the bomb.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-22-2009, 12:18 PM Reply   
ME TOO! :-) The Proctor is still not past the promised delivery date - I got this email from Todd on 4/15, so it will fall past due on 4/30:

Hi Jeff,

Thanks….I hope your Easter was good too. James’s board is coming along smooth. The design is complete and looks like it should go great… the glassing process for the Proxy construction is all that is left. It took some time to get the parabolic blank made since it was such a unique shape. Time table looks to be another week and a half to two weeks till she’s ready to ride.

Speak soon,

Aloha,

Todd


I don't even want to talk about the Coil anymore!!!! :-) In March Mike indicated that he talked with the Brasington brothers about the fact that it had been over 2 months since the deposit was received. NOW I have this vision of them high 5'ing and asking how long do you think we can drag this build out?! :-)

I am estimating that I WILL get the Coil, this year. So that leaves 8 more months. :-)
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-22-2009, 12:34 PM Reply   
at least its not the xbc board. do you think the sun will kill the kevlar , and have you used the 2 oz. 49 cloth
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-22-2009, 12:59 PM Reply   
Kevlar does degrade in UV - so the epoxy has some sort of UV inhibitor but Todd's not telling me. :-) It was one of the things that intrigued me about the construction - I couldn't figure that out - it could be that he's painting over the Kevlar so that it just LOOKS like the Kevlar is visible.

I'm a big fan of the 1.7 oz Kevlar I use it as the sandwich layer now. It's laminates out like a 4 oz at half the weight. Super strong in compression.

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Old    wardovision (caskimmer)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-22-2009, 1:08 PM Reply   
"I just liked your profile on their team page. Cool shades."

yeah, I'm the team photographer for a majority of the skim companies as well. You can't do what I do with any level of success and harbor brand bias. (and I've been doing this for 11 years) I'm for the development and progression of the sports I love, not individual interests.

(Message edited by CAskimmer on April 22, 2009)
Old    wardovision (caskimmer)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-22-2009, 1:47 PM Reply   
"Kevlar does degrade in UV - so the epoxy has some sort of UV inhibitor but Todd's not telling me"

Typically a manufacturer's marine grade version of epoxy is UV "resistant" (aircraft grade is still the standard in composites and what I assume you're using)
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-22-2009, 2:04 PM Reply   
I believe that I read on Todd's website that he is using Resin Research, if that's the case then he would be using the RR CE (Blue) version. I know that RR sold a UV Absorber - whatever that is :-) in the past no doubt what they add to the regular RR to make the CE. From the website:

UV Absorber

To protect sensitive substrates such as urethane foam, UV sensitive polymers and woods. Comes as a liquid mixed into the epoxy side of the system.
Old    wardovision (caskimmer)      Join Date: Apr 2006       04-22-2009, 6:04 PM Reply   
Resin Research is what I've got experience with too. The 1980 is what's usually used except for white boards then either 2000 or 2020 was used (can't remember which). The supplier had them listed as aircraft(1980) and marine grade at the time.
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-23-2009, 5:51 AM Reply   
yea , must be right , the kevlar gives a green finish on his boards.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       04-23-2009, 7:16 AM Reply   
Speak of the devil! I got this email from Mike at Coil:

It's Time
to send balance! shipping early next week. you can paypal if you like, address is xxx@xxxxxx.xxx. heads up now to allow for mail time if you choose to send check...

Can it be?! :-)
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-23-2009, 7:55 AM Reply   
its a front , he just wants the rest to sit on. hehee
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-04-2009, 6:40 PM Reply   
The Coil is supposedly shipped, but I can't get tracking numbers...I guess time will tell. :-)

The Proctor is officially past due, BUT I did get pictures. :-)

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-04-2009, 7:04 PM Reply   
LOL - I posted those without looking at them - amazingly enough it looks like Todd painted over the parabolic stringers and painted a single stringer down the middle! :-) Or, I got someone else's pictures mixed in with mine. :-)
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-05-2009, 7:19 AM Reply   
yea , that does not look like your normal shape that you like to use, what kind of clear does he use after the paint work???
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-05-2009, 7:51 AM Reply   
I don't know, I'll have to ask about the clear Todd uses.
Old    Petr (hawaj)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-06-2009, 3:44 AM Reply   
Hehe funny Jeff how you are allways there where my interest go. I was checking Todds web and titanium boards with kevlar three days ago and now I revealed this tread!! ...and alredy ordered board there ...wow
But it happend several times before. Strange coincidence, whats going on here??

Did Todd used PVC for stringers?
Old    Petr (hawaj)      Join Date: Aug 2005       05-06-2009, 3:47 AM Reply   
scary people down there at Zap

http://www.zapskimboards.com/files/factoryvideos/InTheFactoryScaminSteveMPEG1080923101809.mpg

I think I want halfboard
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-06-2009, 7:52 AM Reply   
Hey Petr! Long time no hear. How have you been? I do believe it must be that great minds think alike! :-) Or, we see the same display ads. :-)

Those stringers are basswood, but they are painted. I can't remember the blank manufacturer at the moment, but you can get different colored stringers. I guess the wood is pressure treated to infuse the color down into the grain a bit. Then when you shape it, the color still shows up. Those are black stringers.
Old    Drew Danielo (ollies_drew)      Join Date: Jan 2008       05-06-2009, 11:12 AM Reply   
People at ZAP are crazy!!!! There was no consortium either Jeff. i was just asking how that deal worked. I technically have nothing to do with "ZAP", just Phase 5. BUt I guess I will always be apart of zap. And if James ever gets 25% kick back off a board please let me know what company is paying that much. HAHA That would be Awesome. Anyways this is another cool thread. I am starting to think your garage looks like mine with boards all over the place.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-06-2009, 12:08 PM Reply   
Yeah Drew, my shop building is seriously out-of-control with boards.

I got some additional pictures from Todd today as they are laminating.

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-06-2009, 6:03 PM Reply   
the last pic, i see green room epoxy in the blue and white jugs that are side by side
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-07-2009, 7:30 PM Reply   
Is it? I think that's RR CE in the gallon jugs to the left.

The Kevlar patch being fitted:

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-08-2009, 3:44 PM Reply   
Carbon hinge tail being applied. One of the issues folks experience with the parabolic stringers is heel dents along the stringer. With a light glass schedule, the deck glass rips at the stringer and then makes a right angle across the board - deadens the board substantially when patched. This happened to James just before the Centurion contest last year.

The carbon patches, hopefully, will eliminate or minimize the heel denting problem. Todd makes some incredibly thin tailed boards and the carb helps provide some pop on those.

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Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       05-08-2009, 3:47 PM Reply   
You are one madd genius!
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-08-2009, 4:49 PM Reply   
that is a wide tail
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-08-2009, 5:01 PM Reply   
Thanks Duffy - although the construction is all Todd's idea. :-)

Brewkettle, I think some of it is the camera - the last few pictures were taken using an iPhone. If you compare this picture of the blank off the machine the tail doesn't look as big, that picture was taken using the digi-cam rather than the iphone.

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-09-2009, 6:07 AM Reply   
playing tricks on my eyes
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-13-2009, 8:34 PM Reply   
Fins going in

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-14-2009, 5:21 AM Reply   
so why wasnt the side bite boxes installed when the F boxes were installed , are you using the ones that Smed uses with adjustable cant??
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-14-2009, 8:05 AM Reply   
Those canards do look like the 4wfs, don't they? They are actually a single FCS plug which are installed post-glass, pre-hotcoat, whereas the Futures rail boxes are a pre-glass install (mostly - I cheat sometimes when I am bagging the exterior glass :-) ). The new FCS Fusion boxes are installed pre-glass for that added strength.

This board should receive a graphic on the bottom and then a gloss coat.
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-14-2009, 9:29 AM Reply   
I'm ready to ride it , uuhhh I mean i am ready to see you ride it..
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-20-2009, 5:15 AM Reply   
Me too! It's "supposed" to ship today, however, board shapers clocks are on a different schedule than the rest of us. :-)

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Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-20-2009, 6:46 AM Reply   
is that a vent or you planning to ride the ocean.
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-20-2009, 7:30 AM Reply   
Leash plug. :-) Isn't it funny? The shapers that aren't familiar with wakesurfing install those out of habit. I used to tell them I don't need it, but in the production process they would get into their zone and just pop it in, so I don't bother telling them any more. It will get covered with traction, anyway. :-)
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-26-2009, 4:36 PM Reply   
So I am home early today. Some kids stole the fuses out of the a/c units at the office, so the 93 degree air temp today made the office rather toasty! :-)

The Proctor arrived today:

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Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-26-2009, 4:40 PM Reply   
Todd refers to the bottom shape as curved or parabloic rail channels. :-) I've become so jaded with the marketing hype anymore, it's single to double concave. :-)

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Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       05-26-2009, 8:59 PM Reply   
That board is gorgeous!
Old    Lakewakes Wakesurf Boards (brewkettle)      Join Date: Jan 2009       05-27-2009, 6:18 AM Reply   
That board is on fire , put it out!!!!!!. Did you ever find out what he used for the gloss coat?? How about a pic with fins in please.
Old    Derek (ds3)      Join Date: Jun 2008       05-27-2009, 11:31 PM Reply   
Looks awesome. Wish I was closer so I could test ride with you guys this weekend!
Old    Jeff Walker (surfdad)      Join Date: Sep 2004       05-31-2009, 6:48 PM Reply   
Hey Brewkettle, it looks like the Kevlar has a slight mist of grey. The rails are painted grey and that seems like what Todd has done to negate the UV.

It rode well.

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