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Old    Josh (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       02-20-2009, 11:57 AM Reply   
is it me or does paying multiple thousands of dollars for a winch sound a little crazy???

i guess in comparison to a boat yea its cheap but 3-10k for a winch just seems crazy to me. i they cost a little bit of coin to make but not 3k worth of coin.

thoughts?
Old    Dave (daveronix199)      Join Date: Feb 2009       02-20-2009, 12:57 PM Reply   
I feel its only money... there is always another pay check coming around.... Winching has opened up a tottaly new style of riding and a new experince... Find a sick river... or ledge... chilling with your buddys and have a few beers is will worth the money.... If money is tight... Spilt it with a buddy!! IMO worth every cent...
Old    BIZZ (bizz)      Join Date: Jun 2008       02-20-2009, 1:07 PM Reply   
You can get a 6.5 horse power pulldozer winch for $1550. It is worth every penny. http://www.myspace.com/pulldozer
Old    alloydadams            02-20-2009, 4:47 PM Reply   
you can find grinch winches on the internet for $1100 all over the place. I just got one a couple of months ago for that price and the other day I started looking and found two more for around that price.
Old    Austin Roeder (aroed)      Join Date: Jan 2009       02-20-2009, 5:47 PM Reply   
where are you finding a grinch for 1100 i will buy one right now for that price send me a link please
Old    Austin Roeder (aroed)      Join Date: Jan 2009       02-20-2009, 5:52 PM Reply   
where can i get one for 1100 send me the link ill buy one right now.
Old    Andrew Proses (drewproses)      Join Date: Oct 2008       02-20-2009, 5:53 PM Reply   
I was looking at the Yankmeister winches on myspace for $1200 for an 11hp. Looks legit.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=438 402993
Old    Austin Roeder (aroed)      Join Date: Jan 2009       02-20-2009, 6:03 PM Reply   
i would like a grinch for 1100 haha but yeah there are a few guys out there im shoppin around thanks.
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       02-20-2009, 6:58 PM Reply   
never heard of the Yankmeister. gota be the most hp at that low of a price out there?
i have been lookin at the pulldozer as well. i like these two better than the grinch
Old    Brad (spoonman)      Join Date: Aug 2005       02-20-2009, 7:06 PM Reply   
Yankmeister, really?

I bet thet make the rosie palmer winch co envious.
Old    BIZZ (bizz)      Join Date: Jun 2008       02-23-2009, 3:45 PM Reply   
Yo Pulldozer has a web page also. www.pulldozer.com
Old    myspace.com/yankmeisterwinchco (yankmeister)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-03-2009, 10:45 AM Reply   
Yankmeister winch co is super legit.
We stand behind our product 100%
Check out our Myspace
www.myspace.com/yankmeisterwinchco
or call or text the owner
Logan Farris
830-481-6929
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Old    Scott (phxwakeguy)      Join Date: Dec 2008       03-03-2009, 12:37 PM Reply   

quote:

Yankmeister winch co is super legit.





Myspace page and all.
Old    scott clark (snwmot)      Join Date: Sep 2006       03-03-2009, 12:42 PM Reply   
stop giving him crap at least he's making a go at it! it's not easy to make legit winch that people may actually buy.
Old    Scott (phxwakeguy)      Join Date: Dec 2008       03-03-2009, 12:44 PM Reply   
I know...I was just sayin.
Old    A-dub (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       03-03-2009, 1:17 PM Reply   
What's the shipping on those things?

Are the clutching mechanisms similar on all of these?
Old    Ozark King (onthewatermo)      Join Date: Jan 2008       03-03-2009, 1:20 PM Reply   
I give Yankmeister props for being forthright on their qualified self-endorsement. All to often we see first time posters on here saying things like: "hey, has anyone heard of Ollie's Magic Wakeboard Oil? I saw it on the internet and my friends say it changed their life and riding"...then when we look at their profile the email address is: "wner@OlliesMagicWakeboardOil.net">owner@OlliesMagicWakeboardOil.net". I will not try to bridge the logical gap between my hypothetical Magic Wakeboard Oil and Yankmeister but wish the winch company the best in this blossoming area of our sport.
Old    Cory (cglass08)      Join Date: Jan 2007       03-03-2009, 1:21 PM Reply   
My pulldozer is being shipped to me right now. I'm in Tampa and it cost 250 to ship from California so basically across the country. Hope this helps.
Old    Scott (scott_a)      Join Date: Dec 2002       03-03-2009, 1:28 PM Reply   

quote:

You can get a 6.5 horse power pulldozer winch for $1550. It is worth every penny. http://www.myspace.com/pulldozer


+1
Old    pierre dandrimont (pierem)      Join Date: Sep 2008       03-04-2009, 9:16 AM Reply   
http://www.skate12gauge.com/details.cfm?ProdID=31
i think this one looks good with a 8hp Briggs & Stratton engine ... for 1999$ expensive but Briggs & Stratton is almost unbreakable...
Old    Benjamin (bendow)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-04-2009, 9:49 AM Reply   
"You can get a 6.5 horse power pulldozer winch for $1550. It is worth every penny."

-1

I would much rather pay $350 less and get a lot more HP with a Yankmiester winch.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       03-04-2009, 10:10 AM Reply   
Andy, how much you selling that magic wakeboard oil for? Does it go on my shred plank or do I massage it into my biceps? Either way I just want to boost.
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-04-2009, 10:15 AM Reply   
benjamin, have you ever winched? you dont need more horsepower. A bigger engine just makes it heavier to carry and get into spots. With proper technique you can get up with no problem behind smaller winches. I can deep water start with a wakeskate (way less surface area to get me to keep me up) with no vest with a 5.5hp briggs with a centrifical clutch.
a 6.5 with tav is perfect unless you need to go insanely fast to do really long gaps.
Old    Scott (phxwakeguy)      Join Date: Dec 2008       03-04-2009, 10:21 AM Reply   
^ for a chinese knock off motor and a centrifical clutch...I'd rather pay $350 more for a reputable motor and tranny.

I think its funny that everyone wants a winch priced basically at cost, not including labor ~800-1500 Depending on a few things, but will gladly pay 3-4 times manufacturing cost for a boat/car/house/lawn mower ect.

I could be wrong, but isnt the generally accepted breakdown:

Manufacture to dealer: 100% markup
Dealer to consumer: another 100%

So if something costs $100 to make. It costs the dealer $200 and it costs the consumer $400?
(I know thats simplified and margins fluctuate for different industries)

Imo, most of the winch's that are out there are a bargin and the companies are making close to nothing on them, so why nickle and dime this industry vs boats/boards/ropes/handles/bindings yada yada...
Old    Kevin Hoye (wakebrdr38)      Join Date: Sep 2006       03-04-2009, 10:38 AM Reply   
I think yankmeister is a great idea. Winches were suppose to get wakeboarding to people who couldnt afford a boat. Originally people were saying 600 to 1000 bucks. Yankmeister is the closet in price so far with the most power. And to mitch, its not about more or less horsepower, its torque and gearing. I think if the 11 is geared right with a lot of low end torque that winch could be sweet

And scott why would the dealer be making more money than the mfg. I would say it would be more like 100 to 200 to 250 or 300
Old    Scott (phxwakeguy)      Join Date: Dec 2008       03-04-2009, 11:22 AM Reply   
Kevin...whatever the formula is, the manufacture is not selling boats/boards/handles/bindings anywhere close to cost, whereas the current winch market is priced at what appears to be a low margin operation...and people still complain, go figure.

Add up the components of a 'good' winch and I bet you'll find yourself at about a grand...and then you'll just have a pile of parts on your garage not put together.
Old    Benjamin (bendow)      Join Date: Sep 2005       03-04-2009, 11:36 AM Reply   
Mitch...yes. I have winched before. I like more HP because you have the capability to deep water start 2 people if you want and the capability to load the line without worrying about lack of power.

And the bigger engine just makes it heavier to get a better work out!
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-04-2009, 11:44 AM Reply   
benjamin, 2 people, why? load the line? you are doing air tricks on a winch? winching is trying to get wakeboard away from that stuff. haha
Old    Scott (scott_a)      Join Date: Dec 2002       03-04-2009, 2:11 PM Reply   
"Winches were suppose to get wakeboarding to people who couldnt afford a boat. Originally people were saying 600 to 1000 bucks."

The first winches available on the market were the Blackbox and Grinch, and both went for about $2,000. Nowadays that number has dropped to $1500 for a variety of reasons, but anyone that was thinking about selling winches for $600 to $1000 either has a lot of scrap metals/materials layin around or they probably haven't ever built a winch. Or they're using crappy/knock off parts. There is almost no profit in any of the well built winches. You get what you pay for.
Old    Ollieshuvitz (ollieshuvitz)      Join Date: Apr 2006       03-04-2009, 2:25 PM Reply   

quote:

quote:

You can get a 6.5 horse power pulldozer winch for $1550. It is worth every penny. http://www.myspace.com/pulldozer

+1




+2 only winch on the market i'd consider buying.

it's all in the gearing, the rider, and the driver. more power = more weight.

but i guess if you're not trying to winch remote gaps and natural terrain it doesn't matter too much.

the idea that you NEED more HP on a winch is like saying you need a bigger boat, bigger truck to pull it, and more ballast if you want to progress your riding. it's nice to have, but not necessary for most applications.

(Message edited by ollieshuvitz on March 04, 2009)
Old    BIZZ (bizz)      Join Date: Jun 2008       03-04-2009, 2:40 PM Reply   
Just for a little history lesson. Pulldozer winches is the same thing as blackbox winches. It started out as myself and a good friend building a winch for ourself, then graduated to blackbox and is now Pulldozer. Enjoy.

(Message edited by bizz on March 04, 2009)
Old    Scott (phxwakeguy)      Join Date: Dec 2008       03-04-2009, 3:23 PM Reply   

quote:

Blackbox and Grinch, and both went for about $2,000. Nowadays that number has dropped to $1500 for a variety of reasons




Isn't the Grinch is still $2700 or so.

Unless I'm looking in the wrong places

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I donít think $1500 is the norm for a professionally built winch from a real company. Pulldozer's undercutting the current competition, and could probably charge more now that it has descent brand recognition in the market. Personally I think somewhere around 2000-2500 plus or minus depending on features would be an acceptable retail figure considering materials alone are roughly a grand.

If these are legitimate businesses they will have other expenses (advertising, dealer network, distribution, events, insurance, tools, equipment, shipping, packaging, rent, electricity, website, worker wages, merchant accounts, blah blah...) and still need a profit margin, so the bargain garage builder will of course be cheaper. - I think Pulldozer is just the name of a homegrown winch, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Its cheapest to build your own, but then you have to deal with the headache of sourcing parts, engineering the whole thing, and spending a lot of time on it; possibly not getting it right the first time around, in which case buying one would now seem appealing.

(Message edited by phxwakeguy on March 04, 2009)

(Message edited by phxwakeguy on March 04, 2009)
Old    pierre dandrimont (pierem)      Join Date: Sep 2008       03-09-2009, 9:58 AM Reply   
Yankmeister looks sick for 1200 $ Does anyone know if they would send it to Belgium. I sent an email but i didnt have any answer..
Old    myspace.com/yankmeisterwinchco (yankmeister)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-11-2009, 11:18 AM Reply   
If you dont like the motor you can buy just a frame and spool for $450.

Yankmeister winch whole- $1200
Frame with spool- $450
Just frame- $300
Spool and axle- $105
Spool- 70

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