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Old    robert (xeon999)      Join Date: Nov 2008       11-28-2008, 4:44 PM Reply   
i am getting a boat but besides using it for wakeboarding i will be using it for practicing tricks on my stand up yama jetski when the ocean's waves are flat. what boat can produce the biggest wake (not necessarily the best quality, which i would want if just boarding.. but biggest so i can hit on the standup jetski)?
Old    Danny Laird (dhands88)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-28-2008, 5:27 PM Reply   
man u are asking for it, but like the way u threw n the jetski part so that no one will bash u to hard. But also on another note we dont like jet-ski's.

Me it's a BU lsv 4k ballast hands down.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-28-2008, 5:39 PM Reply   
Just set whatever you get up for surfing and it throw some rollers for ya. I know the sycophant jet skiers on my lake seem to like it.
Old    Matt Johnston (mattjj23)      Join Date: May 2008       11-28-2008, 5:55 PM Reply   
MB Tomcat or Epic
Old    robert (xeon999)      Join Date: Nov 2008       11-28-2008, 6:02 PM Reply   
i know i know.. a lot of standup guys are pains in the ass for u guys but i do both so i appreciate 'water manners'. thnx ahead of time for the input/advice. ;-)
Old    Ryan (bsebllhglyknit)      Join Date: Jul 2007       11-28-2008, 9:16 PM Reply   
Isnt it illegal for a jetski to be jumping anouther boats wake that close to the boat?
Old    Art (rallyart)      Join Date: Nov 2006       11-28-2008, 9:30 PM Reply   
Hey, ghostrider has some pics of a boat he was on with a bigger wave than you may want.
Old    mobster            11-28-2008, 11:13 PM Reply   
Here is photo of DJ James Z 22' cyclone most skis avoid it Upload
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       11-29-2008, 6:28 AM Reply   
The Cyclone is only 20 feet. James has put a lot of effort in to building a stellar surf wake. however, I don't think that you want to jump a surf wake. You'll be too close to the back of the other wake.

That said, building a wake on one side of the boat, like a wake surf wake, will give you the biggest wake possible but you'll only have a good wake on one side.
Old    Jason Howard (green_johnson)      Join Date: Jul 2005       11-29-2008, 7:15 AM Reply   
this is a very touchy subject. Since you will be using it primarily for jumping with a jet scoot you don't need to have the boat going fast, but the boat needs to be going fast enough to have a solid wake. I'd say your best bet would be a huge boat of some sort. Correct me if I'm wrong but shape won't matter too much so it wont necessarily be a wake boat.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       11-29-2008, 7:43 AM Reply   
I should have clarified that I meant jumping the trailing rollers not the surf wave itself.
Old    robert (xeon999)      Join Date: Nov 2008       11-29-2008, 9:21 AM Reply   
woah JL! i did not know a wake/wave like that would be even possible! a good wake on just one side would be totally fine. that is done w/ just extra ballast bags on one side? how fast does the boat have to be going? sorry for all the questions but i know u guys are the wake masters!
Old    mobster            11-29-2008, 10:27 AM Reply   
Enzo sac plus 2, 600 plus sacs on the seat and a switch blade about 12 to 13 mph Upload
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Old    Gary (sanger)      Join Date: May 2002       11-29-2008, 10:51 AM Reply   
One picture is worth a thousand words !
Old    Greg McNeill (greg2)      Join Date: May 2002       11-29-2008, 7:59 PM Reply   
Looks like that one could easily take water back up the exhaust.
Old    Sippi (sippi)      Join Date: Dec 2007       11-30-2008, 3:32 PM Reply   
I used to watch my dad and his buddies practice on their stand ups doing back flips and barrel rolls back in the 80s. your best bet is going to be getting any wakeboat and loading it up to surf on the right side and finding a friend who's got a boat and loading it up to surf on the left side, drive them about 10-15ft apart going side by sidE at surfing speed. both surf wakes will meet behind the two boats and have a perfect ramp for you. from there you just get out ahead of them start cruising head on, go between the two boats and hold on to your package ;)
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       11-30-2008, 4:27 PM Reply   
The point where the two wakes meet will be real foamy, not the crisp wake Sippi describes.
Old    Jay T. (wakebrdjay)      Join Date: Apr 2008       11-30-2008, 4:54 PM Reply   
The method that Sippi describes works perfectly.I did it with my boat and another boat for Bubby Snow's water ski show.Bubby's son Marlin rides a standup though the two boats and hucks the ski easily 10 feet above the water off the combined wakes.
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       11-30-2008, 5:05 PM Reply   
We've built a spine twice. Both time the wake was a foamy mess where the two wakes met. I can't imagine suggesting running a jet ski between two boats that are 10 feet a part.
Old    Jay T. (wakebrdjay)      Join Date: Apr 2008       11-30-2008, 5:26 PM Reply   
It's their show opener.We did two shows out at Roaming Shores,opened both shows with it.The first time I was a little behind the other boat,so the launch wasn't great.The second one we lined up perfect,launched about 10 feet in the air completely sunk out of sight when landing then popping up and riding back to the beach.Was pretty wild to watch.
Old    mobster            11-30-2008, 6:45 PM Reply   
Check out the Hydro Turf Surf Slam video from Pismo , We did a Tow At event, The Stand Up Skis were going huge I have never seen skis go this big these guys were good http://mobgroup.tv/mobspotlightonlocation.html
Old    Sippi (sippi)      Join Date: Dec 2007       12-01-2008, 3:24 PM Reply   
its not washy at all...i think you're either going to fast, too slow, or the two boats arent even. remember some boats make wakes at different lengths. ive never seen it foamy...
Old    Jarrod Corby (showmedonttellme)      Join Date: Mar 2008       12-01-2008, 3:30 PM Reply   
tHat pic of the enzo slumpin to the side is AWESOME!!! Sick!
Old    NAW (ripr)      Join Date: Mar 2002       12-02-2008, 1:47 PM Reply   
Your basically hitting the spine with the two boat idea mentioned above...we tried it too...pretty cool.

For the stand up I don't really think you need a clean wave like you'd need when you're surfing...

We just had a few people in an 04 SANTE with ballast full and it did the trick...12 mph maybe? Jet ski comes from the direction the boat is traveling.

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Old    salty87 (salty87)      Join Date: Jul 2002       12-02-2008, 1:49 PM Reply   
that's a great rub-rail test in the enzo
Old    Jos (jtnz)      Join Date: Sep 2007       12-02-2008, 2:22 PM Reply   
Chase a house boat or a ferry, way bigger wakes than anything a wakeboat will throw.
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       12-02-2008, 3:17 PM Reply   
That's not an Enzo.
Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       12-02-2008, 3:37 PM Reply   
Sippi, show me a picture of a spin that isn't all wash and foam.



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Old    Ryan Nobles (fordmxracer)      Join Date: Dec 2007       12-04-2008, 5:36 PM Reply   
come on people...you mean to tell me you have never ridin boats side by side and got a rider from one boat to jump both wakes.....o yea at 24mph, where the wakes meets...its about a 6ft high spine!

Here is a pic but kinda blurry.
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Old    Show (bigshow)      Join Date: Feb 2005       12-04-2008, 6:02 PM Reply   
Nice picture of the tower. Got any pictures of the spine?
Old    Ryan Nobles (fordmxracer)      Join Date: Dec 2007       12-04-2008, 6:39 PM Reply   
what u see is what u get
Old    WakeViolater (wakeviolater)      Join Date: Sep 2004       12-04-2008, 10:13 PM Reply   
hey danny,

you got an lsv with 4k of ballast?

what kinda prop and how do you distribute it?
Old    Danny Laird (dhands88)      Join Date: Jul 2006       12-05-2008, 2:06 PM Reply   
i got 1235 acme have 850# n each back compartment the stock bow ballast and stock middle ballast one is 300 the other is 450. i stick the fly high bow sac in the nose with roughly 600# 650# in it. then i lay the 750# fly high long ways in the center floor. plus 3 people. any more than that i have to pump out some water. got the 340 monsoon wish i would have got the big engine. 8.1 i think. but that puts me right at 4k. the center weight is the most important of them all it is what makes the wake steep n my opinion without the center sac i can tell a big difference. wedge down or up depending if u like a lip on the top of wake.
Old    Trace (trace)      Join Date: Feb 2002       12-07-2008, 7:14 AM Reply   
It won't get "clean", but you can clean up that bowl a lot if the boats run closer together. As in really unsafely close together. Not recommended with women, children, or sissy men on board.

I can't imagine buying a boat to practice on when you have access to the ocean.
http://swellwatch.wetsand.com/

But, if money is no object, I would go with a ~40'+ cruiser. Houseboats don't throw much of a wake for their size.

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