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Old    Sanford (puamana)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-31-2008, 5:59 AM Reply   
I'm contemplating purchasing a new Malibu boat. I live in Washington state but it appears that I can buy a new boat in California for about $ 5,000 cheaper. The 340 is only available in CA and has a different intake and exhaust manifold in addition to a catalytic converter. What's the smart choice, should I stay away from the 340 if I don't need the zero emissions. Is the 340 going to be more trouble or costly in the next few years for me. Looking for some friendly advice??
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-31-2008, 6:31 AM Reply   
340 is the way to go. You must be looking at an 08'. Did you go in and talk to Bret V at bakes yet?
Old    Sanford (puamana)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-31-2008, 6:41 AM Reply   
But now you're telling me to go get the boat in CA cause most, if not all the Malibu's in WA, OR and ID all come with the 320! All the boats in CA have the 340 cause it's the standard motor down there. They can't get a 320 in CA.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-31-2008, 7:10 AM Reply   
What boat and year are you talking about getting?
Old    Sanford (puamana)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-31-2008, 7:14 AM Reply   
Malibu vRide, 2007 or 2008.
Old    Shaun Brinkle (highrock)      Join Date: Apr 2008       10-31-2008, 7:30 AM Reply   
Get the 340, if you add any weight you wont regret it.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-31-2008, 7:33 AM Reply   
If you could get the 340 engine plus a better deal I'd be all over it.

I thought you were looking at VLX's for some reason.
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-31-2008, 7:34 AM Reply   
320 is fine in a 05-08 vride, reprop if you add any extra weight
Old    Sanford (puamana)      Join Date: Sep 2008       10-31-2008, 7:37 AM Reply   
So neither of you has any concern with the catalytic converter or the different manifolds on the boat and the fact that it's a motor developed for California boats specifically with regard to zero emissions.

(Message edited by puamana on October 31, 2008)
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       10-31-2008, 7:46 AM Reply   
Jack, it is important to let the people here know that you don't plan on using any ballast. You are going to use the boat for cruising. The 340 is not going to do anything for you.

Did you talk to Bret at Bakes yet? Do yourself a favor and talk to him before you actually make a decision.



(Message edited by polarbill on October 31, 2008)
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-31-2008, 8:01 AM Reply   
"So neither of you has any concern with the catalytic converter or the different manifolds on the boat"

Nope still runs strong and good on gas.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       10-31-2008, 8:22 AM Reply   
I would rather have the 320 in your case. You don't need the extra power. I personally don't think the catalytic converters are proven yet. I have heard of a few problems with all the sensors they have to put on them. It is just more crap to go wrong.
Old    Who Cares (liljohn)      Join Date: May 2007       10-31-2008, 8:50 AM Reply   
Jack I dont mean to sound rude but you need to do your research a little better 90% of the boats at bakes have the 340. almost all the used boats in WA. Right now have the 340 or the hammer head. Like brett said I would call and talk to Brett V. @ bakes. he has what your looking for and if 5k is all your saving which is more like 2K after you get it up here from cali. It might not be worth it. the 340 is a good motor I have it and wouldnt change it. The cats are nice and will soon be requierd across the country.

(Message edited by liljohn on October 31, 2008)
Old    Bill K (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-31-2008, 8:53 AM Reply   
I have the 340 Monsoon here in Washington state. It's got about 250 hrs on it & I haven't had any issues (yet... crossing my fingers). I was under the impression the Monsoon had a bit more torque. But if all your doing is cruising, then the 320 should be fine.

(Message edited by bill_airjunky on October 31, 2008)
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       10-31-2008, 9:14 AM Reply   
John, you are right that 90% of their boats have the 340 or bigger but all their vrides have the 320.
Old    Who Cares (liljohn)      Join Date: May 2007       10-31-2008, 9:45 AM Reply   
Thank you brett I stand corrected.
Old    Face Planter (mastercraft1995)      Join Date: Nov 2002       10-31-2008, 12:34 PM Reply   
I have a 04 VLX with the LCR 320 and I haven't had any problems at all with lots of weight in it.

My friend has the exact same boat with the 340 Monsoon and we can't tell the difference.
Old    Bret (wakeride26)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-31-2008, 1:35 PM Reply   
The 340 has aprox. 15 more ft. lbs. of torque than the 320. That is right from the Indmar manual in my office. They do not list torque on the web site. 320 with a 14x14 prop and you are set.
Old    Dan Duer (libertylake)      Join Date: Jul 2007       10-31-2008, 2:29 PM Reply   
Bret you should be selling not looking at manuals, werent' you paying attention today!
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-31-2008, 2:33 PM Reply   
Wrong Bret
Old    wake (buguru)      Join Date: Feb 2006       10-31-2008, 2:57 PM Reply   
Umm hello there MR. Liberty Lake... Look who's talking ... he he he =)

Maybe you should be looking at your owners manual and seeing what to do about some blisters !!! ohhhhhhh !!!!!!
Old    Dan Duer (libertylake)      Join Date: Jul 2007       10-31-2008, 3:05 PM Reply   
Blisters, those are speed fractures. Not sure you understand an X15 not only throws a fat wake it also goes 200 mph...Superior engineering.
Old    wake (buguru)      Join Date: Feb 2006       10-31-2008, 3:23 PM Reply   
WOW, that new M-craft dealer must really have some smooth talkers if they have you believing
that... Did they attend that class today also..

Can I sell you some ocean front property??
Old    Bret (wakeride26)      Join Date: Dec 2006       10-31-2008, 3:52 PM Reply   
I can believe you got 200mph out of your x15. When blisters pop you dont know what kind of explosion your going to get.
Old    Chris Walker (redsupralaunch)      Join Date: Aug 2002       10-31-2008, 7:16 PM Reply   
Jack - I am a huge fan of the 340 with CAT. The CAT is not the only upgrade that Indmar includes with the 340.

You also get a much better and efficient fuel injection control system. The engine runs much leaner than the 320. You can really tell from the smell and $$$ when you fill up. If you do any wakesurfing this is as much of a "must have" as speed control is to wakeboarding.

90 amp alternator is upgraded from a 70 amp in the 320. This is almost a must if you run 2 or more amps or cruise at night. Big Big difference.

I have ran with no problems, 150 hours in each of my 07 and 08 Supra's with the Indmar 340 CAT and I would NEVER go back. So Im gonna ask you to look at the Supras while you are looking but if you go with the Malibu I say pick the 340 reguardless. The CAT is so much better that I think it will really hurt you on resale if you dont. Kind of like if you were looking at a used boat and one had a Carborator and the other with Fuel Injection, especially true with wakesurfing coming on so strong. Best of Luck

(Message edited by redsupralaunch on October 31, 2008)
Old    Heath Chapman (hdchapman)      Join Date: Mar 2008       11-01-2008, 8:46 AM Reply   
340 all the way. More power and you will appreciate the reduced emissons if you plan surfing.
Old    Greg McNeill (greg2)      Join Date: May 2002       11-01-2008, 9:20 AM Reply   
The 340 also has a roller camshaft/lifters, the 320 doesn't . In my opinion it makes a difference in how fast the engine tachs up. Another vote for the Monsoon
Old    Bret (wakeride26)      Join Date: Dec 2006       11-01-2008, 9:38 AM Reply   
nu bu how am I wrong when it is right in front of me? do you work for Indmar? or do I have some sort of miss print that they accidentaly sent to dealers?
Old    wake (buguru)      Join Date: Feb 2006       11-01-2008, 11:46 AM Reply   
WOW master Srg. look at you go. Member of wakefirst and now posting up on wakeworld like a teenager...
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       11-01-2008, 11:35 PM Reply   
Simmer down Bret I was telling Dan you were not the Bret he was referring to in his post.
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       11-02-2008, 4:18 AM Reply   
according to the brochure the lcr makes 375ftlb and the monsoon makes 397ftlb...how much is the upgrade for the monsoon?
Old    Bill K (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-02-2008, 8:19 AM Reply   
Uh oh, Dan. So the Liberty Lake funk gave the X15 a case of the blisters, huh. I hope INW MC is taking care of it for you.

I wondered about that as this was my first year with the Vride. I used to keep my 205 on Sammamish for months at a time & never had a problem. So last spring I spent some time under the boat with a buffer & wax. Plus I pulled it ever couple weeks to clean it up, check it out (and go somewhere new). No problems at all. Not sure if that had anything to do with anything I did or maybe just had descent karma.
Old    Nu Bu (05mobiuslsv)      Join Date: Apr 2006       11-02-2008, 12:40 PM Reply   
Well Bret I guess you were wrong after all about the 15 lbs of tq.

I think the monsoon is $1200 upgrade.
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       11-02-2008, 2:13 PM Reply   
I could care less, but what about monsoon with cats. I thought that upgrade was a bit more than 1200.
Old    Greg McNeill (greg2)      Join Date: May 2002       11-02-2008, 8:36 PM Reply   
Buguru, don't hate because I know more about your Indmar engines than you!
Old     matt c (curtisco24)      Join Date: Dec 2005       11-03-2008, 7:23 AM Reply   
1200 for the upgrade reprop and save your money. I have been there done that.
Old    Dan Duer (libertylake)      Join Date: Jul 2007       11-03-2008, 7:55 AM Reply   
Master Srg, thanks for the double ups this weekend. DONT WINTERIZE....you'll be fine.

Bill, yep got to re-spray the entire bottom. They were telling me that when they spray for the algae it is really bad on the gel coat. I did pull out and clean a couple times, but never waxed to entire hull. I will make sure to do it before I set her afloat in the Spring.
Old    Greg McNeill (greg2)      Join Date: May 2002       11-03-2008, 7:09 PM Reply   
Dan, great day on the water. It's a good thing you left when you did...you would not have liked the change in water conditions You missed Nick's backroll off the double up. Great way to end the season....Waiting for the spring thaw now.

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