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Old    Torrey Cazalas (tcaz)      Join Date: Aug 2008       09-13-2008, 6:09 PM Reply   
Ok, say for instance you have a wakeboat which is weighted down and you run it in both fresh water and saltwater. Would the more buoyant nature of saltwater result in any significant difference in wake size compared to freshwater, or would it be too minor to notice?
Old    Justin (salsajs3030)      Join Date: Aug 2008       09-13-2008, 6:34 PM Reply   
Huge difference...the buoyancy of salt water is much greater than regular water, the boat sits a lot higher in the salt water which results in the wake being smaller. It's definitely noticeable.
Old    Tim Green (timsown)      Join Date: May 2005       09-13-2008, 7:17 PM Reply   
I agree. It's been awhile, but when I lived in San Diego, we could always tell the difference from when we rode the bay and rode the lake. Fresh water makes for a better wake with the same amount of weight.
Old    Keith (hawaiianstiln)      Join Date: Oct 2004       09-13-2008, 10:17 PM Reply   
hmmm, I guess i never noticed a difference when I had my VLX in Hawaii and now Arizona. Never noticed it being a big difference myself and I have always used the same ammount of weight as I did when I dropped that boat in Salt
Old    Chris Morsilli (cwaker4)      Join Date: Nov 2005       09-13-2008, 10:26 PM Reply   
while the wake is smaller in salt water, in my expieriences the wake is also firmer in salt water.
Old    murrayair            09-14-2008, 1:20 AM Reply   
What Chris says makes sense, since salt water is more dense than fresh water. However, that also means that falls are going to be more punishing.
Old    Ryan Shimabukuro (ryan_shima1)      Join Date: Sep 2002       09-14-2008, 7:47 AM Reply   
Yo what's up Keith! I notice a huge difference every time I switch from salt to fresh. You need more weight in Salt to get the same size in fresh. I will agree that the wake is more firm in Salt, probably because it's more buoyant. And for that reason, I ride at least 1-1.5mph slower in salt water.
Old    Jos (jtnz)      Join Date: Sep 2007       09-14-2008, 6:22 PM Reply   
There is sure to be a difference, but it's hard to believe it would be huge (avg weights - Salt water 64lbs per square foot, Fresh 62.5lbs per square foot, something like 3% difference depending on salinity, temperature etc) The ballast you add as salt water weighs more than fresh, so you still offset the additional bouyancy and sink the boat about the same amount, unless you use solid ballast like lead or steel. The wake may be firmer due to salt water being slightly more dense but again it's probably negligible. I only ride in salt so I can't comment from experience.
Old    Reese (era3)      Join Date: Apr 2007       09-14-2008, 8:51 PM Reply   
It is a huge difference! I ride in salt and fresh and have for the past 10 years. You also will notice a difference in your edging and I tend to slide out more in salt.
Old    KEVIN (kko13)      Join Date: Jul 2006       09-15-2008, 1:55 AM Reply   
i also ride both and would call the diff. huge. you tend to ride more on the surface and find myself sliding out alot more common.
Old    Jos (jtnz)      Join Date: Sep 2007       09-15-2008, 6:11 PM Reply   
Well there you have it, science is wrong and I guess I am too.
Old    walt            09-15-2008, 6:36 PM Reply   

quote:

while the wake is smaller in salt water, in my expieriences the wake is also firmer in salt water.




Correct.
Old    Keith (hawaiianstiln)      Join Date: Oct 2004       09-15-2008, 9:52 PM Reply   
Sup Ryan!!! :-) Hope everyone is doing good. Miss you guys!

I think it's because I sucked back then and never payed attention! heheheh, now I notice how the wake looks behind whatever boat I ride. Man I need to go back to the islands and ride.
Old    Clayton (wakemastercraft)      Join Date: Jul 2008       09-15-2008, 10:18 PM Reply   
there really isnt a huge difference in wake size... I have lived and ridden on salt water for 10 years and the last 5 years have done a lot of riding between both salt and fresh!

The wake might be a few inches smaller but its much harder of a wake so its just as good. A freshwater wake compresses under you as you ride up and doesnt allow you to get all the pop for its size. ALL THAT MEANS is that they are very similar!

I do agree that you slide out much more on salt because your board doesn't sit quite so deep in the water

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