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Old    Hate2party (slipknot)      Join Date: Aug 2001       06-12-2008, 8:51 AM Reply   
This is for informational purposes only. If there was a cable park built in around Stockton how many of you would have annual passes?

How many times per week do you think you would ride it? How many times per month?

Do you think 10-15 people per day would ride during the weekdays? Maybe 25-35 on the weekends?
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       06-12-2008, 8:55 AM Reply   
it gets pretty damn cold in the off-season in the stockton area.
Old    Danny Weisenberg (dblockklsoldiers)      Join Date: Apr 2008       06-12-2008, 8:56 AM Reply   
I would still be there to ride!
Old    Peter Duncan (peterd)      Join Date: Mar 2005       06-12-2008, 9:00 AM Reply   
I'd check it out occasionally - couple times a year for sure. Heat the water and put it indoor and I'll show up all winter.

A long time ago there was a cable park in Manteca at some water park (Oakwook Lake I think). Not sure what happened to it.
Old    Hate2party (slipknot)      Join Date: Aug 2001       06-12-2008, 9:08 AM Reply   
Granted it also gets pretty damn cold in KC and OKLA right? But I think they close theirs. Some people wont be riding in the winter obviously. Others will. I'm sure of it. The demand is there 200 fold. Don't you think?

If TSR stays open all year could a Stockton park stay open all year.

So would you ride it or not?

It could be closed in the winter as well depending on demand.

I guess I should also list your summer and winter riding times as well. Winter what 4 pulls a month?

How cold does the water get 48, air 55? Thats drysuit weather right?
Old    rod (rodltg2)      Join Date: Oct 2005       06-12-2008, 9:11 AM Reply   
if this something that you are someone you know is considering, keep me posted. i would be interested in being involved..
Old    Michael ImObersteg (kickflip_mj)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-12-2008, 9:26 AM Reply   
lets just say i would never leave.... i live next to stockton.
Old    Ben C (dadthedriver)      Join Date: Jul 2004       06-12-2008, 9:35 AM Reply   
55 would be nice but average winter Temp in Stockton is 45 degrees. With snow boarding being so close I think the winter draw would be real tuff. Annual passes are a very small part of the money that you can count on. The daily 2 and 4 hour passes are what will keep you afloat.
Old    Danny Weisenberg (dblockklsoldiers)      Join Date: Apr 2008       06-12-2008, 9:37 AM Reply   
Ya I would be there as much as i could i would never go snow boarding anymore if there was a cable park.

I strap on the dry suit and be there all day long.

Jus need some hot showers
Old    Joel D. (jd5150)      Join Date: Sep 2006       06-12-2008, 10:27 AM Reply   
i'd be there every damn day...winter/fall/spring/summer. You can ride on the Delta in Stockton/Tracy/Sac year round. The best time of the year to ride is in the Fall! No Doubt...no wind and no boats
Old    Goride (goride)      Join Date: Mar 2007       06-12-2008, 10:32 AM Reply   
id ride there multiple times a week and through out the winter cause they invented something i like to call the drysuit and wetsuit for the winter.

This is crazy cause me and some people were just talking how stockton would be a great spot cause its pretty centrally located and has access from 5 and 99.
Old    WakeViolater (wakeviolater)      Join Date: Sep 2004       06-12-2008, 10:41 AM Reply   
i would be there alot, and a bunch of my friends would be there too.

actually it would more depend on the rails/obsticals that you have in the water. If they were sick and fun...you will have a crowd.
Old    David Bell (dabell)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-12-2008, 11:06 AM Reply   
Manteca Water Slides closed down 2-3 years ago. Not sure why but probably because of lack of money. But again, I thought that they were going to build homes on that site.
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-12-2008, 11:26 AM Reply   
I would go there a few times a month no doubt.
Old    Mikey (spoondog)      Join Date: Feb 2008       06-12-2008, 11:46 AM Reply   
I would definitely try it and if I like it, yes I would be there year round and use my boat sparingly.
Old    trevor curry (trevorcurry)      Join Date: Jun 2007       06-12-2008, 12:04 PM Reply   
I would go in the winter maybe once a month.
Old    M-Dizzle (liquidmx)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-12-2008, 12:20 PM Reply   
I would be all over it and even consider moving if there was a legitimate cable in the CA bay area (especially near the delta).
Old    Cole (wakeboarder46)      Join Date: Jun 2007       06-12-2008, 12:54 PM Reply   
I would be there everyday. Forget snowboarding..
are you tryhing to get something together to make it happen?


You will also attraqct more people from the gas prices being so high

(Message edited by wakeboarder46 on June 12, 2008)
Old    Jesse Johnston (watersnake)      Join Date: Jul 2006       06-12-2008, 1:05 PM Reply   
This would be a kick-a place to have in Nor/Cal. At least couple times a month 4-6.
Old    Peter T (deltawake)      Join Date: Sep 2004       06-12-2008, 1:23 PM Reply   
I have a couple of boys that would be there almost every day that they weren't out of town at tournaments etc.
Old    chet lievre (chetmaherwakecom)      Join Date: Nov 2007       06-12-2008, 1:32 PM Reply   
I flew all the way accross the country to go ride cable. No gas expense i think a lot of people would be into it. But why are you trying to psyc us out tho thats fuced up.
Old    Hate2party (slipknot)      Join Date: Aug 2001       06-12-2008, 1:39 PM Reply   
no psyche out, just informational, im thinking we can get just as big of a draw or more than TSR. more soon. keep comments coming.
Old    Josh (romes)      Join Date: Sep 2006       06-12-2008, 1:44 PM Reply   
i'd carpool with joel
Old    Alex de Guzman (yoalex)      Join Date: Jul 2007       06-12-2008, 1:44 PM Reply   
i'd be there all day everyday. forget riding behind a boat with these gas prices. and for the price of an annual pass compared to gas you'd spend all summer and how much riding time you get. think about. someone needs to build on already.
Old    Sean (hudd007)      Join Date: May 2006       06-12-2008, 3:04 PM Reply   
I'd be there prob 2 times a month in winter. I HATE being cold and only snowboard to get my fix. I think you might need to heat the water or worst case and maybe a better/cheaper idea would be to rent drysuits or wetsuits. Having it in a big wearhouse paying rent shouldn't be too expensive.
Old    MaRiO (ffmedic)      Join Date: Feb 2007       06-12-2008, 5:55 PM Reply   
be there every day im not behind a boat...
Old    CRASH (vin)      Join Date: May 2007       06-12-2008, 6:09 PM Reply   
im in all year.
Old    Kellen Ringen (kel_dub)      Join Date: Feb 2006       06-12-2008, 9:11 PM Reply   
I'd be there all year also. We ride behind the boat all year so why not cable?

Like other cable parks, having a proshop/rentals could help with profit and attracting customers.

I would be interested in helping if this is actually proposed.
Old    Jason Callen (westsidarider)      Join Date: Feb 2003       06-12-2008, 10:55 PM Reply   
id be there at least 2 times a week year round and in the summer probably 3-4 times a week
Old    Josh Weitekamp (da_kamp)      Join Date: Jan 2008       06-12-2008, 11:32 PM Reply   
i'd be up at least once a week......in the winter
Old    Michael ImObersteg (kickflip_mj)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-13-2008, 1:08 AM Reply   
jason we could car pool.lol
Old    Michael ImObersteg (kickflip_mj)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-13-2008, 1:09 AM Reply   
for real though that place would be packed all year long
Old    Nicole (wakegrl2109)      Join Date: Jul 2004       06-15-2008, 11:26 PM Reply   
My boyfriend and I seriously looked into putting a park up, more around Lathrop since the food, location, and land is there. But the only thing that makes it to expensive to build is land. For 10 acres in the area you are looking at $5-10 million for freeway front property.
If anyone is interested in looking to invest, please contact me. We have all the connections to get a sweet park up and running in no time.
Old    Jonny (wakeboardlasvegas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       06-15-2008, 11:31 PM Reply   
I would be there a few times a month as well and I would be coming from Vegas
Old    Michael ImObersteg (kickflip_mj)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-15-2008, 11:48 PM Reply   
5 to 10 million?? no way, what about in the outskirts, place with a bbq area grill, just have all the amenities. im from the discovery bay area (20 minutes west of stockton) , and land is expensive but i have seen 40 acreas for around 1 mill. right next to town.
Old    Goride (goride)      Join Date: Mar 2007       06-16-2008, 12:03 AM Reply   
Commercial property is much more expensive than residential. Residential can be converted but its extremely expensive and difficult to do.

Also if the property doesnt already have water on it it can be much more expensive to get the permits and built a small lake and or large pond.

Theres a private ski lake right off the freeway near Ryde that would be perfect. I doubt the guy wants to sell it but its worth asking.
Old    Soli (nsolis220)      Join Date: May 2007       06-16-2008, 12:09 AM Reply   
i may be wrong but i think the 2 major issues here in cali is 1) the permits from the city/county 2) cost and or availibilty of ins. I used to do insurance and just for a batting cage the cost was nutz. The cost of insurance here could be anywere from 100's of thousands to maybe a mil a yr.
Old    Matt Forrest (wakeboardmatt)      Join Date: Jun 2007       06-16-2008, 1:00 AM Reply   
I say go a little further nor cal.

The land is cheaper.
Old    M-Dizzle (liquidmx)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-16-2008, 10:03 AM Reply   
From the people I have talked to its all about water rights and those are gold. Permits, water rights and insurance liabilities would be my biggest concerns.
Old    Brodie Chaboya (brodie_chaboya)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-16-2008, 11:14 AM Reply   
I would be there alot as well as all of my friends. We would ride all year, We make trips once a year just to go to TSR or OWC, it would be really nice to have one closer.
Old    Nicole (wakegrl2109)      Join Date: Jul 2004       06-16-2008, 10:37 PM Reply   
Insurance is definately a big cost as well, but even at the most 1 mil is minor compared to land cost. Permits also, but once they are approved within a city it would easy. The only thing about going further up north (because ive considered this) is you want to consider where everyone is to be coming from. I-5 and 99 are the 2 main all state highways that could be easy service for SoCal riders as well. By making the park in Central California it would make everyone a little happier, plus if you go out Disco people not familiar to the area are most likely not going to find it.

One of the main things the owner and Jeff at OWC said about location that they wished they did was to make the park in a location where there is food restaurants near and hotels. Even for 5 acres, which is a small park commercial property is about $3-5 Million. As far as converting a residential to commercial, it wouldn't be worth the time and money.

If someone could help me make this happen, I can guarantee a profitable business. The closest parks to the West Coast are Kansas and Texas. With the people I know the longest part of the process would be getting land, insurance, and permits.
Old    Soli (nsolis220)      Join Date: May 2007       06-17-2008, 9:04 AM Reply   
A million a year would def put a hurt on profit margins. Its not a one time cost.
Old    RileyBangerter (steezyshots)      Join Date: Feb 2008       06-17-2008, 9:23 AM Reply   
good luck getting permits in california to do this.... You think you are the first one that has had this idea?
Old    Myke D (breakz77)      Join Date: Mar 2003       06-17-2008, 4:05 PM Reply   
Exactly what Steeze said!!
Old    Hate2party (slipknot)      Join Date: Aug 2001       06-17-2008, 4:08 PM Reply   
no i dont think i am the first one that has has this idea steezy and myke.
Old    Ben C (dadthedriver)      Join Date: Jul 2004       06-17-2008, 7:21 PM Reply   
Steeze and Myke Permits are possible. Watch for more info.
Old    E Double U (three6ty)      Join Date: Feb 2004       06-17-2008, 7:40 PM Reply   
Glen,
Whats going on with the one in Santee. Is it going anywhere yet?
Old    Buzz (buzz_grande)      Join Date: Mar 2004       06-17-2008, 9:49 PM Reply   
Santee is getting very close, and should be having the city council vote very soon. Once that happens, it should move along pretty quick. I hope to find out more soon, and will make a seperate post. Can't wait! I will probably just about be living at the place.
Old    Hate2party (slipknot)      Join Date: Aug 2001       06-18-2008, 7:37 AM Reply   
As will I. Buzz come over and take care of my boat someday.

360, When you want to ride? You still got that boat? You must be tired of traveling.
Old    chriscut            06-20-2008, 9:28 AM Reply   
I would ride at the cable park in stockton 2-3 times a week. I ride the delta in stockton all year. I just throw a drysuit on. With the price of gas lets just hope that more cable parks start popping up.

There are a ton of riders who would ride the park all the time... and this would also draw a lot of people to the park from far away. The critical thing about cable parks is the features. Check out the park they just built in the Philippines: http://www.camsurwatersportscomplex.com/ They did it right. If you have a bunch of sick rails, boxes, and sliders people will come from all over just to ride it.
Old    Mark C (kottonm0uthking4)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-21-2008, 3:49 AM Reply   
The problem is all the environmentalists that do not like people cutting down land to put in a permanent facilities. just look at everyone at berryessa. the whole nor cal cable park has been in talks for a while. anyone know what happened to the Santee cable park in so cal? Any official links?
Old    scott clark (snwmot)      Join Date: Sep 2006       06-21-2008, 12:47 PM Reply   
i'd be there year round also cali needs one BAD!
Old    alex_de_guzman            06-21-2008, 12:57 PM Reply   
i know i'd be there everyday year round.

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