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Old    Andy Mogg (wsfkusel)      Join Date: Feb 2007       01-07-2008, 9:45 AM Reply   
Has this trick been done before? Not an S-bend. I mean like a 313 doing the 360 on the way down.

While we are talking about raleys though, how many people can and do a double S-bend??
Old    teunz0r            01-07-2008, 9:53 AM Reply   
Isn't that just an 313? Because you will always go down when you are ending your raley..
Old    kyle (lfxstar)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-07-2008, 9:56 AM Reply   
a lot of people do blind 313s on the cable but it is a very tech trick and double sbends are even more common...behind the boat is a different story however. To do a double S behind the boat takes some serious stones. I think Shannon Best used to do them but other than that, the only person i could see being willing to try a double behind the boat would be someone like Rob Mapp
Old    kyle (lfxstar)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-07-2008, 9:57 AM Reply   
i also saw a vid of a tsr kid doing a double behind the boat but i dont remember the name
Old    Ryan Siebring (lostkgb78)      Join Date: Oct 2005       01-07-2008, 10:00 AM Reply   
Stephan from new caladonia used to do double s-bends. I also remember a guy named andy owens doing them...
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-07-2008, 10:22 AM Reply   
suicide. I have buddy who has 313 Dialed. I wathced him try one to blind and then proceeded to take him into the ER. He got totally hung up once he turned it to blind and got slammed.
Old    Clay Fraley (clay_fraley)      Join Date: Jul 2006       01-07-2008, 11:48 AM Reply   
yea this trick sounds like death, Shapiro in his earlier years might have been able to do it, but Ive never seen or heard of anyone trying them but Im sure theres been attemps
Old    kyle (lfxstar)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-07-2008, 12:04 PM Reply   
a blind judge has to be the scariest trick in wakeboarding, anyone who attempts one has GIANT MARBELS
Old    cdubs (chris_williams)      Join Date: May 2007       01-07-2008, 12:28 PM Reply   
Rob Mapp was doing them at least 5 years back and I'm sure he still can.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-07-2008, 12:40 PM Reply   

How about Colin Ryans Hoochie to Blind? Its in this video at the 1:06 minute mark. I have been trying to get him to go to blind 360 but everytime I give crap about it he is like "you do it if you wanna see somebody try it so bad" that usually shuts me right up. r_in_Minnesota
Old    kyle (lfxstar)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-07-2008, 12:54 PM Reply   
yeah i saw that vid!!! such a sick trick, hoochies are fun but i think i will stick with not taking them to blind, although i did try one off a kicker once and just butt checked
Old    Benjamin (bendow)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-08-2008, 3:31 AM Reply   
kyle, raley to blinds really aren't that bad. I guess it can be a little daunting to try, but 9 times out of 10 when you fall trying them you usually fall forward onto your face rather than catch a back edge like you would think. So the falls really aren't that bad.
Old    Eubanks (eubanks01)      Join Date: Jun 2001       01-08-2008, 6:21 AM Reply   
Yeah, but it's that 10th time that keeps you from ever doing them again!
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-08-2008, 7:51 AM Reply   
We need some video of the claims! Who has it? Some one post it up! If it has been done some one should have video of it!
Old    Benjamin (bendow)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-08-2008, 8:36 AM Reply   
a blind 313? I'll post one when I get's on a cable though.
Old    Andy Mogg (wsfkusel)      Join Date: Feb 2007       01-08-2008, 8:57 AM Reply   

was Rob Mapp doing double s-bends or blind 313īs?

I guess this means the trick doesnīt have a name if everyone is just calling them blind 313īs.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-08-2008, 9:38 AM Reply   
Blind 313 behind the boat thats what I wanna see. The physics on the cable are little different behind the boat. I have seen a few people try a blind 313 and the get totally hung up on the last one 180, then get in the boat done for the day.
Old    Benjamin (bendow)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-08-2008, 10:04 AM Reply   
I don't know if anyone has even done one of those behind the boat. There are a lot of tricks that people do on cables that I don't think are possible on a boat.

Mapp does double -s' and double s to blind along with many other people. Double s bends are much different than a blind 313. There is no handle pass in a double s bend and there is one in a blind 313. A blind 313 is pretty much a raley to blind with another 180
Old    cdubs (chris_williams)      Join Date: May 2007       01-08-2008, 12:01 PM Reply   
Robb did it in his run at nationals awhile back. It was being the boat at owc and he was riding the iconn best board at the time. Andy it was a blind 313 for sure. He also was doing shapiro style tantrum to blinds waay into the flats.

(Message edited by chris_williams on January 08, 2008)
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-08-2008, 1:28 PM Reply   
Man I love a good Shapiro Style tany to B! How about his Front to Blind that is the sickness!
Old    Brett B. (bbking)      Join Date: Dec 2006       01-08-2008, 1:30 PM Reply   
Eubanks... perfect timing
Old    cdubs (chris_williams)      Join Date: May 2007       01-08-2008, 3:06 PM Reply   
For sure Andy! How about a frontflip backside 3? I think I remember Murray doing a switch one awhile back off the dub in a comp on tv.
Old    kc700            01-08-2008, 4:31 PM Reply   
a double s bend....hmmmmmm some footy of that would be nice.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-08-2008, 4:42 PM Reply   
Yeah I think I saw that Front back 3.

I always wanted to see a crew go out with a laudry list of super hard azz tricks, blind Slim, blind 313, double s-bends, all sort of Gnar, and just try and stick em'. Put it down on Video make a contest out of it whatever.
Old    Mike Isler (isler)      Join Date: Apr 2003       01-08-2008, 5:25 PM Reply   

It was Stephan Tranne that did double S-Bends behind the boat. I remember he was in WBM (on the cover I think) many years ago. Andy Owings also was nuts, like you mentioned... haven't heard much about them in awhile!

On another note, didn't know you lived in Hanalei! I was in Haena for a week over Christmas and New Years, grabbed coffee every morning in Hanalei.
Old    John Haile (waterdork88)      Join Date: Aug 2005       01-08-2008, 8:57 PM Reply   
dustin shows does double s-bends
Old    John Marshall (johnm_ttu)      Join Date: Jul 2005       01-09-2008, 3:03 PM Reply   
Andy-If you happen to come across a video called Type ADD Mark Kenny does and air blind slim. It's a really great section I would get a copy of the video solely for that section.

Water-I know it doesn't seem like it, but that is a 2 handed whirly bird aka "the swirly".
Old    Ren D. (want2ridealot)      Join Date: Jul 2007       01-09-2008, 3:14 PM Reply   
Thats sick Dustin was my camp coach at WWC.
Old    Chris Apfelstadt (apeljax000)      Join Date: Jan 2007       01-09-2008, 7:21 PM Reply   
Has anyone ever heard of a rider other than shapiro doing an iron cross? It is the craziest looking trick i have ever seen!
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       01-09-2008, 7:54 PM Reply   
Pretty sure Adkinson does it(raley with late b/s 360)in his section of push process?
Old    Ben Ax (hawkeye7708)      Join Date: Feb 2007       01-09-2008, 9:08 PM Reply   
Hey chris, i've heard of Shapiro doing that trick before, but never seen it on video or heard the mechanics of it....anybody know what exactly it is? Sorry to hijack....
Old    John Haile (waterdork88)      Join Date: Aug 2005       01-09-2008, 10:20 PM Reply   
all these years i always thought it was a double s-bend. when that video first came out a while back thats what i heard some people referring to it as. but thanks for clearing it up. learn something new everyday
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-10-2008, 6:00 AM Reply   
I have seen push process I think that Adkinson does a Late 313, I will call him and ask him today to settle the debat.

ORBITALS! Shapiros Orbitals are the pimp shizzz. I tried a couple a few years back, it seems almost impossible

Chris, what vid is that in? What does the iron cross look like?
Old    Ewing (johnsvt)      Join Date: Dec 2006       01-10-2008, 6:30 AM Reply   
Pretty sure that is what he does looks they shot it from a chopper and he is riding an 08 t-scend

Tell him he makes it looks so smooth.

(Message edited by johnsvt on January 10, 2008)
Old    kyle (lfxstar)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-10-2008, 6:37 AM Reply   
i rotated an orbital off the double up once trying kgbs, weirdest feeling i have ever iron cross is a whirly done with the back hand i want to say
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-10-2008, 6:45 AM Reply   

I will tell him. hahahah
Old    Benjamin (bendow)      Join Date: Sep 2005       01-10-2008, 6:53 AM Reply   
is an orbital an ole kgb?
Old    kyle (lfxstar)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-10-2008, 7:13 AM Reply   
kind of, you spin around the rope...basically i went to do the kgb and didnt pass the handle and just spun around the rope and ended up landing on my board and my friends couldn't believe it, but i tried it again and again and couldnt do it
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-10-2008, 7:14 AM Reply   

No an orbital is a backside 3 or 5 that goes over the rode instead of passing the handle, super tech.

Orbital: An over the line, inverted, backside 360 - Invented by Darin Shapiro.

Orbital 540: An over the line, inverted, backside 540 - Invented by Darin Shapiro
Old    cdubs (chris_williams)      Join Date: May 2007       01-10-2008, 7:22 AM Reply   
Iron cross is a wrapped moby dick and shapiro would do it laid out. I think a wrapped mute moby dick would look good..
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-10-2008, 7:35 AM Reply   
Chris that would be sick, bet it would look very Backside Rodeo!
Old    Gordie Taylor (wakeparent)      Join Date: Jan 2005       01-10-2008, 8:53 AM Reply   
Hey Andy, the one Dustin does in Almost Famous looks like more of a two handed whirly?
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-10-2008, 9:34 AM Reply   
yeah Gordie it is a 2 handed whirly, or a "the swirly"
Old    Kevin Bird (kevin_bird)      Join Date: Dec 2002       01-10-2008, 12:32 PM Reply   
Andy your right it is an over the line bs 5. The take off and rotation are very similar to a mexi roll to blind. Kind of surprised more people dont do it. I must say that shapiro did them super legit (like everything he does) and you never saw him do it empty handed, always had a grab . Havent seen this trick recently though .

Andy- have you ever seen just an orbital 360? im trying to think where i may have. If anyone knows or has info let me know


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