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Old    Dirk Wheeler (dirk22)      Join Date: Sep 2006       12-02-2007, 3:36 PM Reply   
I am in the market for a new boat. i have young kids that wakeboard. I am looking for a wake that I can adjust from small to big if there is such a thing. any input would be great. I want a boat 22' to 24'

Thanks Dirk
Old    billy foulds (mcwakerider)      Join Date: Dec 2006       12-02-2007, 4:31 PM Reply   
wakesetter
Old    882001 (882001)      Join Date: Nov 2003       12-02-2007, 4:42 PM Reply   
all of them will do this. but you may be looking for something like a wedge. so billy has something.
Old    Chad Diehl (dicky_diehl)      Join Date: May 2007       12-02-2007, 5:46 PM Reply   
supra 22ssv or 24 will do the job. you can adjust the wake plate or the bags to make the perfect wake or anyway you want it.
Old    Ryan Lacefield (26lacefield)      Join Date: Aug 2006       12-02-2007, 6:05 PM Reply   
i'm pretty sure you can adjust the wake plates and ballast on any boat. Dirk demo every boat out there. make sure that the dealer will back the boat up too. your boat is only as good as the dealer that sells it.
Old    TigeMike (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       12-02-2007, 6:46 PM Reply   
Tige 22Ve. Coming up on 3yrs with ours and love it. Great family oriented, multi-use boat. Deep free board means it's safe for the little ones. Heavy, deep V hull handles chop like it's nothing. With the Convex V hull and TAPS, you can go from boarding to skiing with the push of a bottom.

Tige puts out a great wake without ballast, but I'd say get it anyway as the wake just gets better with weight. Especially for surfing.

Check out the "Tige Difference" @ www.tige.com and also www.tigeowners.com for more info. Bottom line, take them all for a water test and go with what feels right for you and your family. Good luck.
Old    Art (rallyart)      Join Date: Nov 2006       12-02-2007, 8:15 PM Reply   
Hi Dirk. I'm 50 and have kids 4, 8, and 11. These are the things I found really useful for my small kids, and me.

You need the boat to drive very slow with a small smooth wake. That means light weight and having a wakeplate. The wakeplate and bow ballast really helps getting the bow down at slow speeds to make the wake better. If you can tow a wakeskater or boarder at 11-14 with a smooth wake it never hurts when they fall. My son 8 was jumping wake to wake at 16 mph, after two solid months, but still slows down for tricks.

You need to feel very safe in rough water and the boa bet easy to drive. That means you or your wife aren't worried or concerned what ever comes. It also means you won't have problems if the normal driver isn't there for some of the time. Take the time to learn how to parallel park when you get it.

Kids can surf behind a boat with little wake and they really enjoy that part of the sport.

My Sanger D215 with a hydraulic wakeplate and built in sacks probably goes from small to big better than most. The V drives can all do it but it's a little easier with a D drive. The V drives can give a bigger wake if your are an advanced rider.

Whatever you do Demo a bunch of boats. They are all different but most of the new ones are very good at everything. You do need to remember that bigger boats are heavier and some brands are heavier. Heavy boats don't give small wakes. Good luck
Old    Jason (azpowerhouse)      Join Date: Jul 2007       12-02-2007, 9:03 PM Reply   
Second most of what Art said, also:
Pick a Company..........they all have 22-24, its like ford or chevy, malibu or mastercraft.
Definetly get a v-drive. Last- Customer Service.
Old    Soli (deltaridah)      Join Date: Aug 2007       12-02-2007, 9:21 PM Reply   
i agree with art as much as everyone says to get a 22 + foot boat, but the wakes just wont clean up on those under 21+ mph. I have a v210 sanger my wake cleans up at 18 mph perfect on both sides. I like the bigger wake and 23mph riding and she likes a clean wake at 18mph. I am looking for a new boat that will be a step up but still keep a clean wake for everyone. I have looked at san 210, sanger v215, and the vlx. I think the vlx is the biggest boat that will still throw a clean wake under 20mph
Old    Baron Phillips (phil06140)      Join Date: Jul 2004       12-03-2007, 3:59 AM Reply   
I don't know if you are looking for a new or used boat but, like a few others on here, a 21'(or so) might be what you are looking for...
With your youngest, 5?, I would say a smaller boat would be very helpful. I have a friend of the family who is 8 and with our 04' 210team two people and no weight the wake is still large in comparison to him. We are still able to get a clean wake at a speed that is not frightening for him. But when we want to ride sink the boat and you have a wake machine.
CC210, MC X-1, and Bu VLX are a few that pop in mind... I have ridden behind all of these boats, and they can all make a wake for any level of rider. They will not take the chop as well as the 22'-24' boats and the interior space is limited.

Also be a responsible buyer and demo with your whole family. My family was going to get a MC but after the demo experience we chose CC. It is a good way to see how your dealer will treat you.
Good Luck
Old    TigeMike (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       12-03-2007, 5:59 AM Reply   
Dirk,

Just wanted to post up a few pics for you.

Here is the surf wake: 1200#'s of ballast on left rear and 2 in boat. TAPS @ 3-4 and 10.5mph
[IMG]http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x101/chpthril/IMG_5556.jpg[/IMG]

First time boarder: no ballast, TAPS on 1, 14-15mph
[IMG]http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x101/chpthril/IMG_4718.jpg[/IMG]

Loaded up: 400 in each rear locker, 400 in bow walkway. TAPS @ 4, 22mph, 2 people in boat.
[IMG]http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x101/chpthril/IMG_4612.jpg[/IMG]
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       12-03-2007, 11:26 AM Reply   
X-1 .... great all around boat, get a demo for cheap
Old    corey king (snowboardcorey)      Join Date: Jan 2004       12-03-2007, 11:57 AM Reply   
The X-15 would be a good boat to add to your list also, you can option it with a trim tab to help crisp up the wakes for kids but even without one the wake is clean down to pretty slow speeds.

As stated earlier check out the dealer too. Check to see what their commitment is after the sale. Things to look for are do they stock parts, do they have a dedicated mechanic(s), is the mechanic(s) certified by the engine marinizer, do they have good or bad reputation with current owners?
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       12-10-2007, 7:13 AM Reply   
I will also say the there are several boats out there that will suit you.


Art couldn't have explained it better. My choice would be Supra 21v 22SSV-24SSV. Rock solid boats with tons of adjustably with the wake. Huge deep cockpits so never feel like you're going to get wet or unsafe with little one's in the boat(I have 2 so know how you feel). Supras also ride very smooth and you cann hide all the ballast so no room is lost on the floor from extar sacs.

I say this all while owning an X-Star. Same hull as current X1 that Nick recommends. I personally would never recommend that boat to anyone looking for a "family" boat and adjustability. It's cramped, rides poor, in rough water, and needs extra sacs or lead and storage is tight enough as it is, but it does throw one of the sickest wakes out there. It suited us well when we bought it and still does, but if I were to upgrade which is probably gonna be coming soon for more room and a better ride. I would go Supra all the way. Can't beat the performance and quality for the dollar there.
Old    Ryan Cowan (aces6692)      Join Date: Nov 2006       12-15-2007, 4:25 PM Reply   
x 30 is a great all around boat, the wake has a nice shape with and without ballast full, and with or without extra weight, i would definantly recommend an x 30, it is for sure one of my favorite boats to ride behind
Old    Chris Walker (redsupralaunch)      Join Date: Aug 2002       12-16-2007, 12:56 PM Reply   
Dirk - you are getting good reports here on Supra, but I also want to give the all new 2008 Moomba XLV a good review from Skiers Choice. Not only does it meets your boat size requirements at 23 feet, but the new hull design went right to the heart of your question. Here are the top 4 reasons why

First, For the the 5 year old in mind the new 2008 hull increased lifting strakes up front to get that huge bow out of the water. This really cleaned up the wake at slower speeds. I drove at the dealers meeting and you could really tell the difference.

Second, For hard core riders, significant tweaking of its hull design to increase the size of the wake it throws while cleaning up the wake lip.

Third is ballast. This boat comes standard with 1950lbs right from the factory. Thats at least 50% more than what the other brands give you.

Style - Here is the New look
http://moomba.com/mobiusxlvgg/index.html
Old    Steven Zinio (renoboatboy)      Join Date: Dec 2007       12-17-2007, 10:46 AM Reply   
Moomba Mobius LSV - almost 22' with more room in it than most 22' boats. The configuration is uniqe because the engine is placed forward of the transom abought 14", changing the centre of gravity and allowing the wake plate to alter the angle of the boat relative to the horizontal plane. The design gives the operator more control of the wakes from small to extremely large with ballast. Also great surf hull.
Old    Dirk Wheeler (dirk22)      Join Date: Sep 2006       12-19-2007, 2:55 PM Reply   
Bought a new Tige 24VE Woo Hoo
Old    Art (rallyart)      Join Date: Nov 2006       12-19-2007, 3:08 PM Reply   
Congrats Dirk. That's a pretty boat.
Old    Kameron Porter (seminolepride991)      Join Date: Sep 2007       12-19-2007, 5:50 PM Reply   
Congrats
Old    TigeMike (chpthril)      Join Date: Oct 2007       12-20-2007, 5:32 AM Reply   
Congrats Dirk, it's a sweet looking boat.
Old    killen1970            12-20-2007, 6:46 AM Reply   
Dirk nice job would kill for a big tank like that. My garage is way to small congrats!!!

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