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Old    Hayes (hayes)      Join Date: Aug 2007       12-13-2007, 7:28 PM Reply   
I was just thinking about how the other manufacturers used their old hulls as entry level boats: Malibu - old wakesetter as vride and Mastercraft - old x-star as X-1. Why doesn't nautique take the old 210 hull and sell it as an entry level (~40,000). In my opinion, they would sell a heck load of these and could really rack up on the sells. The only thing I can think of is they do not have the capacity. Any thoughts?
Old    TK (swab791)      Join Date: Mar 2005       12-13-2007, 7:35 PM Reply   
There is no such thing as a $40000 Correct Craft
or a $40000 MasterCraft

$45000 is where they are at.

Every part of a boat has gone up in 2007/2008

a) Vinyls and foam (FOAM through the roof)
b) Transportation on all parts
c) Resins (Petroleum based) Through the roof
d) cooper wiring, steel, aluminum
e) Plastics
Everything has gone up
Hope to see a leveling out in 2008/2009
Old    billy foulds (mcwakerider)      Join Date: Dec 2006       12-13-2007, 10:15 PM Reply   
"In my opinion, they would sell a heck load of these and could really rack up on the sells...."

yea... they would sell more of those boats than their "big dollar" boats.

thats why
Old     matt c (curtisco24)      Join Date: Dec 2005       12-14-2007, 7:07 AM Reply   
I would say that would have a chance to become the best selling towboat in a hurry. You would have correct craft quality at an affordable price. I think billy has a point though they would rather sell fewer big dollar boats.
Old     matt c (curtisco24)      Join Date: Dec 2005       12-14-2007, 7:08 AM Reply   
Also, tk is right, with the exception of a moomba, the days of a 40k v-drive are over. 45k is where the base models of the "value" boats are at.
Old    Ken Toby (towboat_222)      Join Date: Feb 2007       12-14-2007, 7:37 AM Reply   
Centurions falcon 40,000 boat
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       12-14-2007, 7:40 AM Reply   
Tige Z1 is base 39,995 isn't it? I think you might see a few other manufacturers put out more entry level models.
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       12-14-2007, 7:40 AM Reply   
Ken beat me to it.
Old    TK (swab791)      Join Date: Mar 2005       12-14-2007, 8:04 AM Reply   
I was being specfic to a MC or CC...not the other inboards. If CC was to build lets say 250 extra boats and make $2000 per boat total $500,000 profit

Or build 125 boats and make $4000 per boat.

Which do you think they would do...answer 125

Less labor blah blah blah
Old    bocephus            12-14-2007, 10:13 AM Reply   
I doubt CC would want to dilute it's great service and warranty reputation with a lower end boat. The numbers just don't work! More boats equal more warranty work for any brand IMO. You get what you pay for! BTW, I paid less than $45K out the door for my '06 210, it is a Signature Series, but it's still a CC 210!
Old    K.B.C.            12-14-2007, 11:05 AM Reply   
I don't think CC wants a price point boat in their line. I think it would be great, but it's not their style. If you want a price point 210 you have to buy used.
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       12-14-2007, 11:09 AM Reply   
amen to that, 95 supersport, about as cheap as it gets for a 210
Old    Eric (wakeboardin2k4)      Join Date: Sep 2006       12-14-2007, 12:02 PM Reply   
Nick is right, the only issue for those of us who dont currently own a super sport, but want to upgrade to ones is that now most wakeboarders know that the 95-0? super sports are the same hull as the 210 so the used value of them goes up and will continue to go up as time continues, kinda like the 80s 2001 hull has stayed the same, if not gone up from what it was valued at in the mid 90s
Old    Flux (flux)      Join Date: Jun 2003       12-14-2007, 12:23 PM Reply   
High end or not, they should have kept that boat in the lineup with the old school tower.
Old    corey king (snowboardcorey)      Join Date: Jan 2004       12-14-2007, 12:40 PM Reply   
I think there are three major problems with this.

The first is that right now larger boats are driving the market. Families are paying a premium for extra seating and storage, I can remember when at 210 or a 205V seemed like a big boat but to most buyers today they are to small.

The second problem is that CC buyers expect the best and are unwilling to compromise on all of the little extras that beef up the price. I sell MC and I see this with the X-1 all the time, people option them out like no tomorrow and then ask why it's not a ~40k boat, premium options come with a premium price tag.

The third is that CC can not operate on a 5% markup on boats, assuming they make 2k on a 40k boat. I doubt they could even secure financing if this was how they ran their operation. Financial institution want to see a solid return on investment to help ensure loans will be repaid and 5% pre tax is not going to do it.

That being said I'd like to see the 210 in production but given the current market I don't see it happening soon gotta keep looking for good used ones.
Old    Cliff Griffin (seattle)      Join Date: Mar 2002       12-15-2007, 5:09 PM Reply   
The way things are going, in a couple years the 21 foot boats will be going by the wayside all together.

People these days are much more concerned with the wake look than they are with actual wake making performance. They want a 23 foot 102 wide boat with every interior convenience available and in general could care less how nice the ride is behind it.

I love it when people tell others how sick the wake is behind the behemoth boats coming out. When I ask what their running it's usually in the 3.5 to 4k range. In my opinion, if a boat needs that much weight to make a nice wake, it shouldn't even be considered a wake boat. Most of the big boats burn twice the fuel, need two or three times as much weight and cost 10k to 20k more.

Oh well, I quess you can't stop progress.
Old    TK (swab791)      Join Date: Mar 2005       12-15-2007, 8:46 PM Reply   
Hey Cliff...Time for you to get off your soap box and get with the times

Fix your hair, get a herbal body wrap, a new wetsuit and yes A NEW BOAT!
Old    Jeff Moore (jeff359)      Join Date: Jun 2005       12-16-2007, 1:24 AM Reply   
Remember when a 20/21' Vdrive was all you needed? Hell, a 20' DD open bow?

Frankly, most of us can't hang with a fully loaded cc210, hell most of us don't need a fully weighted DD. But they are gonna make what they can sell, and make the models they can make the most money on.

Is there money to be made on the old 210 mold, hell ya. But CC can make more on selling to the guy that buys a new one every year and can barely go wake to wake.
Old    Eric (wakeboardin2k4)      Join Date: Sep 2006       12-16-2007, 9:12 AM Reply   
jeff- IMO you just hit the nail on the head better than anyone else has in this thread.


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