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Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-15-2013, 12:48 AM Reply   
So tons of threads about best wake, biggest wake and optimal loading of all boats.

With 8&6ye old daughters now starting to ride consistently and being almost time for them to start jumping, what boat puts out a clean, low speed, no ballast wake for the shorties, but still satisfies your intermediate/advanced riders when weighted? Decent goofy side surf wake would be bonus .

My original star is wash to about 20.5-21

Last edited by xstarrider; 07-15-2013 at 12:51 AM.
Old     (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-15-2013, 2:07 AM Reply   
The vlx is very good at low speed with small ballast
Old     (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       07-15-2013, 2:49 AM Reply   
The VLX rules at slow speed wake. Here's ours at 18mph, no ballast, no wedge, 5 people in boat. I can easily go down to 17mph.

Pretty much any Malibu or Axis will be good at the low speed wake.

Old     (DatTexasBoy)      Join Date: Aug 2012       07-15-2013, 4:06 AM Reply   
Axis will do just as well at low speeds. A20&A22
Old     (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-15-2013, 5:05 AM Reply   
G23 is clean down to about 17.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       07-15-2013, 5:06 AM Reply   
Rzr/r20 wake is good at about 17 unweighted with good goofy wake, don't think the other tiges will put out a low speed wake. the g series is great, mcx25 (avoid 2010 models) x star x15.... The list goes on

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Old    TN22            07-15-2013, 6:45 AM Reply   
The Supra SA is clean at 17
Old     (kronoss)      Join Date: Oct 2010       07-15-2013, 7:05 AM Reply   
I would say Malibu 23 has the cleanest wake at slow speeds.
Old     (ridemarktwain)      Join Date: Aug 2008       07-15-2013, 7:25 AM Reply   
My unwieghted Tige 22V creates a clean wake at 17-18mph (unwieghted). Sometimes I can get it to clean up at 16mph. I pull a lot of youngsters and most of them ride around 16-17 mph.
Old     (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-15-2013, 7:44 AM Reply   
The new Supra SA and SC will clean up at 17 like said above. Many of the other Supra models from previous years will not.
Old     (goride)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-15-2013, 8:01 AM Reply   
sanger 215 is the cleanest I've seen at low speeds

B52 is the worst (older style)

MC X-30 was decent

I've heard malibu's are very nice.
Old     (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       07-15-2013, 8:10 AM Reply   
I have a new X-30 and I am getting my 2 kids into boarding (aged 5 and 7). The wake can be clean down to 17, and that's even with some additional lead. I feel it is a great wake for kids to learn on because its mellow but can get pretty big when weighted with 3k (see pics).
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Old     (zap)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-15-2013, 8:39 AM Reply   
No rear ballast and lots of weight in the bow is key on our Enzo, we can get down to about 15-16 mph this way for my 8 yr old. The only problem it the wide beam of the Enzo makes for a wide wake. I would think this holds true for all hulls (bow weight vs stern weight). I really want to try some trim tab extensions, I think they would work well in this application.
Old     (wakintime)      Join Date: Jul 2011       07-15-2013, 1:04 PM Reply   
The supra SA cleans up really good at 16 or 17mph.
Old     (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-15-2013, 2:34 PM Reply   
Malibu / Axis will be your best bet, imo. The wake is clean at slow speed, not side to side sensitive, and the wake is mellow. Some other boats may be clean at similar speeds but may also be a steeper wake. Also, throw 3k+ in any malibu or Axis and you have a huge wake.

Like mentioned above, with no ballast except some in the bow, you can flatten and clean up your wake at slower speeds at the same time.
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       07-15-2013, 3:05 PM Reply   
You can't run bow ballast in that old X and get it clean at 18?
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-15-2013, 5:55 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by wakebordr11 View Post
You can't run bow ballast in that old X and get it clean at 18?
Unfortunately not I have tried full ibs( it's on top of my cushions so I get its capacity) with full KGB. Just KGB , just ibs get tons wash. But once I hit the magic 20mph we all know it will stay clean as can be with whatever weight you throw in it .


Thanks for the input so far. I was figuring bu would be a top contender. The wakes are always smooth n rampy
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       07-16-2013, 5:54 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
Unfortunately not I have tried full ibs( it's on top of my cushions so I get its capacity) with full KGB. Just KGB , just ibs get tons wash. But once I hit the magic 20mph we all know it will stay clean as can be with whatever weight you throw in it .


Thanks for the input so far. I was figuring bu would be a top contender. The wakes are always smooth n rampy
What about unweighted? I just find it tough to believe a ski hull can't make a clean wake at trick ski speeds... I know its a Vdrive, but still...
Old     (rallyart)      Join Date: Nov 2006       07-15-2013, 4:15 PM Reply   
This is my Sanger D215 with front ballast full and Bennett plate all the way down at 14 mph. My son is just 8 in this photo. His sisters are in the bow and Mom took the picture from the observers seat.
Picture is from 2007. Falls don't hurt as much when they are slow. The FAE leaves the bubble trail down the centre.
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Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-15-2013, 5:51 PM Reply   
wow! I think we have a winner.
Old     (Bamabonners)      Join Date: Jul 2011       07-15-2013, 9:09 PM Reply   
X2 has a clean wake at low speeds. We usually have kids and beginners on our boat and that was something we definitely looked for.

Our previous Malibus also had clean low speed wakes.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-16-2013, 8:40 AM Reply   
Yup tried all the variables. The problem with nothing is that the nose rides so high around 17-19 it won't hop on plane. This is with 2 adults and two kids in boat just for reference.





That 215 wake looks great as does that little ripper awesome.

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Old     (Dmac420sj)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-16-2013, 12:16 PM Reply   
The addictor!
Old     (saberworks)      Join Date: Sep 2010       07-16-2013, 9:40 PM Reply   
I was just out this afternoon and remembered this thread. My 04 Sanger V210 was clean at 15.5 according to my stargazer.
Old     (squeezer)      Join Date: Jul 2010       07-16-2013, 9:54 PM Reply   
V215 with no ballast and 3 people in the boat is clean at 14...
Old     (elc)      Join Date: Jan 2008       07-16-2013, 10:14 PM Reply   
I thought i had a better pic of the wake with my son riding... he just turned 5 to give you an idea of how mellow the wake is. this is an axis at 15 mph with a little weight in the front and three peeps in the boat - it cleans up easily and is not sensitive side to side. Rope is about 70'.
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Old     (kx250frider617)      Join Date: Aug 2013       08-09-2014, 3:32 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by elc View Post
I thought i had a better pic of the wake with my son riding... he just turned 5 to give you an idea of how mellow the wake is. this is an axis at 15 mph with a little weight in the front and three peeps in the boat - it cleans up easily and is not sensitive side to side. Rope is about 70'.
Is that the secret spot in havasu? If so, I was so sketched out running full ballast there. I hit a shallow 3ft deep section on my turn around.
Old     (rogcapital)      Join Date: Jun 2013       08-07-2014, 6:15 PM Reply   
Can anyone help me get a clean wake on a tige rz2 2008 at 17 mph. My kid is 7 and just rode behind a new g23. It has a amazing wake at 17 mph without any ballasts. No my son thinks our rz2 is crap because at 17 mph all I get is wash on the rz2.
Old     (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       08-07-2014, 11:00 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogcapital View Post
Can anyone help me get a clean wake on a tige rz2 2008 at 17 mph. My kid is 7 and just rode behind a new g23. It has a amazing wake at 17 mph without any ballasts. No my son thinks our rz2 is crap because at 17 mph all I get is wash on the rz2.
Maybe your son is right... your Tige is crap and it's time for a G23.
Old     (rogcapital)      Join Date: Jun 2013       08-08-2014, 5:16 AM Reply   
Well not for surfing at least. I've had semi pros surf on my boat and they tell me it's the best surf wave they have ever surfed. I also surfed off the g23 and it wasn't even close to my tige (I have convex vx and about 5000 pounds of ballasts) but I spend so much time working on the surf wave that I ignored the wake. Any ideas on how to get a good wake at slow speeds beside spending $100k on a new boat?
Old     (Fixable)      Join Date: Oct 2012       08-08-2014, 5:38 AM Reply   
You probably wont get that in the rz2. You will need a boat with less deadrise. The deeper v helps for surfing, but hurts a lower speed wakeboard wake. Something like a Malibu 23LSV, VLX, MC X10, X30, CC G21, G23, or Supra SA, SC, (and probably a few others) have less deadrise, but also a hull that puts out a great surf wake. For surfing, they will require a little more weight than a deep v, but those models all put out awesome surf wakes, and excellent wakeboard wakes, at any speed above 17.

Tige likes to make hulls with lots of deadrise for surfing.
Old     (16igordon)      Join Date: Jun 2013       08-08-2014, 5:46 AM Reply   
Yamaha AR240. Anyday.
Old     (baitkiller)      Join Date: Jan 2010       08-08-2014, 6:00 AM Reply   
'79 Nautique 17 MPH and clean as a whistle. Flat bottom biatch.
Old     (alcarlaw1)      Join Date: Jun 2007       08-08-2014, 7:15 AM Reply   
For,the time it takes, try removing your FAE. My stars wake certainly has been effected by the FAE, more so at slow speeds.
Old     (whiteflashwatersports1)      Join Date: Dec 2012       08-08-2014, 7:24 AM Reply   
Our 2012 RZR is good at 17 but the vlx has the best slow speed mellow wake I have seen.
Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       08-08-2014, 7:33 AM Reply   
what about moombas?
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-08-2014, 7:45 AM Reply   
N.O.T. MB. Not in 1M years. Prolly my biggest criticism/frustration.
Old     (WakeDirt)      Join Date: Jun 2011       08-08-2014, 9:36 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawndoggy View Post
N.O.T. MB. Not in 1M years. Prolly my biggest criticism/frustration.
The F22 does, just not any other model ever...
Old     (Nordicron)      Join Date: Aug 2011       08-08-2014, 10:25 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by WakeDirt View Post
The F22 does, just not any other model ever...

How does the f22? Transom of that boat looks just like rear of any other MB to me. Same as a f21 and b52
Old     (WakeDirt)      Join Date: Jun 2011       08-08-2014, 10:45 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by Nordicron View Post
How does the f22? Transom of that boat looks just like rear of any other MB to me. Same as a f21 and b52
This is 18ish...I know if you have bow weight, which I run all the time all day (about 5-700) it cleans up to about 17. I don't intend on wakeboarding much slower.
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Old     (Nordicron)      Join Date: Aug 2011       08-08-2014, 11:43 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by WakeDirt View Post
This is 18ish...I know if you have bow weight, which I run all the time all day (about 5-700) it cleans up to about 17. I don't intend on wakeboarding much slower.

Looks pretty darn good, especially for a kid! Wake looks more narrow than I'd expect at 18. Is this wake really really narrow at 22?
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       08-08-2014, 10:29 AM Reply   
Our old hull SANTE (Supersport) is pretty darn clean down to about 14/15 mph with no ballast.

I don't have pictures though.
Old     (WakeDirt)      Join Date: Jun 2011       08-08-2014, 10:47 AM Reply   
For wakeboarding we typically run 500 bow, and about 1/4 stock @ 19mph 70'
Old     (biggator)      Join Date: Jul 2010       08-08-2014, 11:11 AM Reply   
G23 is clean down to about 17.. my old LSV could go down to 14-15 clean.
Old     (Iceberg)      Join Date: Dec 2011       08-09-2014, 7:29 AM Reply   
I just commented to a friend how clean the wake was on his 2006 Moomba LSV at pretty much any speed.
Old     (get_sum)      Join Date: Jun 2012       08-10-2014, 2:15 PM Reply   
My axis a22 is clean down to 16 mph. My 8 yo is jumping one wake with no ballast at that speed.
Old     (559)      Join Date: Apr 2014       08-21-2014, 6:02 AM Reply   
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Size:  190.3 KB 2011 vlx, no ballast, 18 mph, and my ten year old son.
Old     (allzway)      Join Date: Feb 2014       08-21-2014, 9:54 AM Reply   
We haven't played around with adding any bow weight, but here is our MB F22 with no ballast at about 16-16.5 mph with my 12 year old daughter.
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Old     (CarZin)      Join Date: Feb 2011       08-21-2014, 11:02 AM Reply   
My previous 09 Supra 21V was NOT clean under 20. So I would avoid that hull.
Old     (chrislandy)      Join Date: Mar 2014       08-22-2014, 4:31 AM Reply   
If you're willing to older then '96ish mastercraft 190/205 is a good bet, small wake a low speed and can be weighted pretty well (the 96 onward 205 was the same hull as the original x-star). I've had over 3000lb of ballast in mine (fat seat, 2 fat sacs down the side, fat sac in the bow and a few barrels dotted around) and it had a really nice wake for intermediate/advanced riders - it scared me!

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