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Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 1:19 PM Reply   
Hi guys I've been looking up boats for about a month now and I'm looking for a inboard wakeboard boat preferably V drive but doesn't have to be for under 15,000 I've checked out Mastercraft prostar 205s, Sport Nautiques, and Nautique 2001s. My lake has a limit of 20 feet so I need it to be 20 feet. Please help! The boat doesn't have to be newer too it could be a 80s or 90s.
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 1:22 PM Reply   
What are some options I could pick from? Also I would love to see some of the wakes and boats that you guys have.
Old     (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-02-2013, 1:23 PM Reply   
20 maristar VRS is likely your only v drive option, hard to find that under $15k, prob more like 17-18 range
Old     (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-02-2013, 1:30 PM Reply   
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...200-VRS-349461


Wanting way too much for upgrades, imo.
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-02-2013, 1:54 PM Reply   
The Nautique Excel is the only boat I can think of if you have a hard limit at 20' and even then I am not sure how long those are although I would expect between 19 and 20.
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 1:56 PM Reply   
A-dub do you know what the wakes like behind a Maristar?
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 1:58 PM Reply   
Brett I've looked into the Excel and I heard its basically a barefoot nautique, also I heard it doesn't throw a good wake. Do you know anything else about the excel that maybe I'm overlooking?
Old     (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       07-02-2013, 2:02 PM Reply   
Well, my Supra Sunsport is listed on my boat registration as 20, but it's listed on Nadaguides as 21. I clicked through nadaguides and there's some years listed as 20 and others as 21, yet I don't think they really changed the length.

That said, are they really going to be able to tell the difference between a 20 and 21 foot? How are they going to verify? I think my boat is 20' 5" or something. what would they do in that situation? Are they going to measure it, or are they going to look at your registration or your insurance or what???

My insurance company just took my word for what length my boat is and that's what is on the policy.
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 2:56 PM Reply   
Trayson if on the title it shows over 20 feet then they send a guy over to our house to measure our boat from the tip to the water line in the back so its pretty hard to get around it.
Old     (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       07-02-2013, 2:59 PM Reply   
Damn! Well, I would say you might still be able to look at some of the Supra's, but ask the seller what length is listed on the title.

Bummer though, because 21 foot opens up a TON of boats into the search.
Old     (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       07-02-2013, 2:59 PM Reply   
MB Sport makes some 20' boats too. I remember wakeboarding behind a Boss 200.
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-02-2013, 3:00 PM Reply   
I don't know anything about the Excel wake but it is most likely your only option for 20' or under and anywhere close to 15 grand as far as a vrdrive goes.

The Mastercraft prostar 205 is a over 20' but I am not sure what it says on the title. That would be a great boat. Try and find a 96 or later. The sport nautique is closer to 21' isn't it?

you could do a nautique 2001 but that is closed bow. Great wake boat though.

Last edited by polarbill; 07-02-2013 at 3:04 PM.
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-02-2013, 3:06 PM Reply   
Nada lists the Hydrodyne Grand Sport as a 20' boat. That would be something I would keep an eye out for.

The bow is really low to the water but the calabria sport comp xts/cal-Air direct drive is a 19' boat although I think it was marketed as longer.

Last edited by polarbill; 07-02-2013 at 3:10 PM.
Old     (jhartt3)      Join Date: Jan 2012       07-03-2013, 5:56 AM Reply   
Grandsports are 20' 6" ... pretty sure that the 205 and 205v are both over 20' long. as well as any version of the SAN, SuperSport etc. i live on a lake with a 21' boat limit the lake right next door is a 20' limit... most people who board live on my lake the other lake has more skiers.
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 3:08 PM Reply   
Trayson ahh I know man I've realized that almost bought a Malibu wake setter vlx but it was too big.. and Brett a couple people have a 205 on my lake so I wonder.. also nada has the sport nautique at 20 and do they make any open bow 2001s?
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 3:09 PM Reply   
Oh yeah and how was that boss?
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-02-2013, 3:11 PM Reply   
I looked up 1995 sport nautique and it says it is a 21. I could be wrong but I think it is actually over 21'.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-02-2013, 3:26 PM Reply   
A Mastercraft 205 is 20ft 8 inches. I am almost positive sport nauti's are 21.


A mastercraft prostar 195 open bow/x5 would be ideal. It has nice freeboard, decent wakes, and room. It really feels much bigger than it is.




Other than that the late 80's Nautique 2001 is killer. I have never heard anyone say a Nautique excel wake is terrible until that post above. It's just not the case
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 3:25 PM Reply   
I was looking at 1992 sport nautiques
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 4:54 PM Reply   
Swatguy so a mastercraft prostar 195 throws a good wake?
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-02-2013, 5:07 PM Reply   
Pretty sure the prostar 195/X5 are the same hull as the 1995-1997 prostar 190. The 205 and then the 205V hull are basically a bigger version of that hull so in theory that era prostar 190/195/X5 will all throw a good wake with extra ballast.
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 5:56 PM Reply   
which boat do you guys think would be the best older direct drive boat for boarding behind? without adding extra weight.
Old     (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-02-2013, 6:01 PM Reply   
Can you not add any weight either?

I would buy a nautique 2001 and figure out how to hide 500-1000 pounds in it. You could probably hide some lead in the bow and some in/around the rear seat.
Old    andrewsarafa            07-02-2013, 6:39 PM Reply   
no I can add weight to it haha but I was just wondering what would throw a good wake without weight because in theory it would throw a bigger wake with weight.
Old     (Camsquared211)      Join Date: Jun 2013       07-02-2013, 7:15 PM Reply   
Have you considered going to 21 feet? you open up a ton of options!
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-02-2013, 9:02 PM Reply   
Believe it or not the 195 throws a pretty decent wake . As mentioned it is similar to 190 hull however that's where the similarities end. The top deck is very similar to 205. The gunwales are very high unlike in the 190, it has a full walkthru option and it really feels huge for a 19 ft'r. You can easily add close to 2k in ballast and not worry a bit about burying the nose. If you compare the ski wake on the 195 to the 190 the 195 has a bigger bump but you are looking for wakeboarding so kind of null. You'll be hard pressed to find an open bow sub 21ft in your price range. So that makes this boat jump to the top of my list.

One other bonus is ou can also find it in an X version with x graphics Allah X5. In 02 the x5 only came in a closed bow. In 00-01 it was available open bow.
Old     (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       07-03-2013, 4:55 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
Believe it or not the 195 throws a pretty decent wake . As mentioned it is similar to 190 hull however that's where the similarities end. The top deck is very similar to 205. The gunwales are very high unlike in the 190, it has a full walkthru option and it really feels huge for a 19 ft'r. You can easily add close to 2k in ballast and not worry a bit about burying the nose. If you compare the ski wake on the 195 to the 190 the 195 has a bigger bump but you are looking for wakeboarding so kind of null. You'll be hard pressed to find an open bow sub 21ft in your price range. So that makes this boat jump to the top of my list.

One other bonus is ou can also find it in an X version with x graphics Allah X5. In 02 the x5 only came in a closed bow. In 00-01 it was available open bow.
The problem with the X5 is that you aren't going to find one that isn't trashed for less than $20,000 usually. There's one for sale in Louisiana that is absolutely mint with a couple upgrades, but is $26,000. Saw another one listed that was in decent shape and was basically still stock, and it was still almost $21,000. The X5 is probably the best option for what he's looking for, he's just gonna have to find one that's been trashed and do a bunch of work to stay anywhere close to a $15,000 budget.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-03-2013, 5:41 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by FastR3DN3K View Post
The problem with the X5 is that you aren't going to find one that isn't trashed for less than $20,000 usually. There's one for sale in Louisiana that is absolutely mint with a couple upgrades, but is $26,000. Saw another one listed that was in decent shape and was basically still stock, and it was still almost $21,000. The X5 is probably the best option for what he's looking for, he's just gonna have to find one that's been trashed and do a bunch of work to stay anywhere close to a $15,000 budget.
I didn't realize they were still fetching that much these days. That surely is an eye opener for me. For that price u can easily find a 99-2000 bare bones 205v most likely w a tower. I figured 17k on high end for x5
Old     (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       07-02-2013, 9:02 PM Reply   
No old 20' boat throws a big wake without weight...
Old     (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       07-03-2013, 5:12 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewsarafa View Post
Hi guys I've been looking up boats for about a month now and I'm looking for a inboard wakeboard boat preferably V drive but doesn't have to be for under 15,000 I've checked out Mastercraft prostar 205s, Sport Nautiques, and Nautique 2001s. My lake has a limit of 20 feet so I need it to be 20 feet. Please help! The boat doesn't have to be newer too it could be a 80s or 90s.
The older 205s were listed as 20' boat, where as the 205V was listed as a 21' boat. You probably aren't going to find a Vdrive that meets your lakes requirements in your price range. Not sure where you're located, but found this one in NY and it looks like it would be a pretty perfect setup for what you're looking for and leave some cash in your pocket too. Says it's got all new interior, and you could wrap it for a new look, add some bags, and do some stereo upgrades and still be under your $15K budget (not including transport) with this one:

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=38348



I did also see this one in Louisiana, but it's listed as a 21' length. You may be able to contact the seller and see what the title shows, may get lucky and have it mislabeled as a 20'. In which case this one isn't a bad deal, and you may be able to talk him down closer to your budget.

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=37625


Last edited by FastR3DN3K; 07-03-2013 at 5:17 AM.
Old     (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       07-03-2013, 6:10 AM Reply   
I have a 2000 X5 and for a lower budget boat it really does a good job. You have to remember that with its design it’s going to throw a steeper wake than your newer boats. I currently load it down with 1200 lbs of fat sacs, but without the sacs it throws a wake similar to a I/O. The other down fall of this boat is that there is ZERO storage area in it. Its rated for 8 people… no way it would fit 8 Midwestern people ha-ha. Here’s a Prostar that’s literally an X5 without the stickers:

http://www.waterskis.com/2000-Master...rostar_195.htm

The below link is for the newer version of the X5.

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/boa/3866711517.html
Old    andrewsarafa            07-04-2013, 10:20 AM Reply   
okay guys my budget just increased to about 22k due to a college scholarship! So any ideas on what I should get? I'm thinking a Tige 20v?
Old     (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       07-04-2013, 1:46 PM Reply   
I'm so confused now...which thread are you going to post in. There's a ton of ads posted in your other thread to give you a good start. I'd suggest going over to boat trader and punching in what you're looking for and that will give you a good starting point, and remember to search a little over your budget too. You can always negotiate a nicer boat down to around your budget.
Old     (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       07-04-2013, 2:17 PM Reply   
I'm not going to get into the whole "which hull is better" debate because honestly I don't have enough experience with more than just a select few boats, and most of them are pretty adequate for my skill level. Just a few good options to get you started and on the water:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-X-Star-362798

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...Star-101809590

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...tion-102062413

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2006-Tige-20i-359272

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-20i-102047788

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-VLX-101901807

This one needs some interior work, but with a hard negotiation could be a screaming good deal:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-VLX-101901807

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...Comp-101735387

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/19...-Air-102044082

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...bius-102064662

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-20%276-362090

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...k-LS-102034004
Old     (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       07-04-2013, 2:28 PM Reply   
And with a few more minutes of minimal work:

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=38374

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=38632

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=34251

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=38560

Last edited by FastR3DN3K; 07-04-2013 at 2:31 PM.
Old     (bstroop)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-04-2013, 2:35 PM Reply   
I'd keep my eyes peeled for a Calabria cal-air. It's a direct drive but has 700lbs of below floor ballast with the pure vert system. This one is out of your range but just wanted to give you an example.

http://eugene.craigslist.org/boa/3876605758.html

It's under 20ft. Calabria uses the swim deck in the overal length so it's decieving. I believe it's 19.5
Old     (bstroop)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-04-2013, 2:48 PM Reply   
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...Cal-Air-358652

Here's another

If you could up your budget a little and spring for something like the 2006 Tige 20i up above its a pretty sweet deal. I had that exact same boat. It's 20ft has a 96 inch beam and a deep freeboard. The storage in that boat is incredible for a direct drive. It can handle a lot of weight because of the freeboard and a big sack will fit in the rear storage. I only needed to get a larger boat because I have a lot of family..... Other wise I would have kept it because it was an awesome boat. It's one of the "biggest" little boats I've ever been in.
Old    andrewsarafa            07-04-2013, 4:44 PM Reply   
Haha sorry about the back and forth I'll be posting in this thread, it got all messed up and said I couldn't reply anymore.
Old     (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-04-2013, 9:09 PM Reply   
As mentioned. Keep all your questions in one thread. You are essentially asking same question hundred different ways.


Ok let get some things clarified. You're lake has a 20ft rule. Now does this in turn mean 20ft 8 inches is not going to work? Or does it have to be 20.0 feet exact or less. THIS IS A HUGE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. .


If you are approaching the 20k mark and need a smaller v drive a Centurion Cyclone(mentioned by bill as well) is def the ticket as is a Mastercraft 205v. Both boats ate spec'd over 20 ft. Cyclone 20ft 5inch. 205v 20ft 8inches. An air Nautique or any Sport Nautique is 21ft. DO NOT USE NADA AS YOUR SPEC GUIDE. I owned 2 Cyclones. The wake is a beast. It super poppy and steep. It was the best best factory wake on the market in the early 2000's. With just stock ballast it was more than some boats with 1500lbs back then. It's factory wake was similar to my 205v with 1800lbs. The hull on the Cyclone has a very deep v so it takes less to sink it down. It throws a big surf wake too. Especially for a 20ft boat. The wake shape is very very similar to the 205v. The dofference is that the Cyclone will not take 3000 lbs of ballast and have a great wake that just keeps getting bigger. It maxes out around the 1500lbs of total ballast and the really start to curl. The 205v tho just keeps getting bigger and bigger with more and more weight. You am easy throw over 4k in there am still get a wall of a clean wake.



If you have to be 20.0 or under IMO the prostar195 blows the response out of the water. I used to ride behind one with a wedge regularly. I am also tho not a fan of the early bu's wakes. While very smooth and clean I just like the little more kick you get with the MC wakes of that era

Last edited by xstarrider; 07-04-2013 at 9:18 PM.
Old     (bstroop)      Join Date: Apr 2005       07-05-2013, 8:22 AM Reply   
http://redding.craigslist.org/boa/3907741401.html

13k and under 20ft. Just put a tower on it
Old    andrewsarafa            07-05-2013, 6:26 PM Reply   
The boat has to be exactly 20 feet not 20 feet 1 inch. But they measure it from tip to the water line in the back not including swim platform
Old    andrewsarafa            07-05-2013, 7:07 PM Reply   
but I've seen 205s and sport nautiques all over the lake so I get confused

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