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Old     (Gnargnar)      Join Date: Aug 2012       05-11-2013, 11:16 PM Reply   
Went to sac river today around 2 and it was paaaaacked. so I tried to stay near 5 mph zones where i wouldn't have to avoid the tsunamis coming off the damn yachts. So as I'm turning around a fisherman hits my window with a 5 lb sinker! No damage thank god, but 18 inches from my head. I assumed he did it in purpose because it is his river after all, so after a good 2 minute verbal assault I can hear him saying it was an accident. Well screw you guy, and thanks for waking up a part of my vocabulary I haven't used in a looooong time. So we pick up my mom and mother in law and head to swabbies. As my sister is wakeboarding some douchecake decides to cris cros my wake maybe 100 feet behind my rider. More verbal assault. We get to swabbies without further incident and I have a couple beers to start my afternoon over, only to have a drunk kid hit the back of my boat with is jetski doing like 5 mph, again somehow no damage. We pull the boat out and on the way home we hit a DUI checkpoint. I have a previous DUI from 2 yrs ago so I can't have ANYTHING in my system while driving, I was prolly .04. Pull up to the cop and my license is in boat glovebox, he lets me get it and asked how much I've drank, I say none, he says really? Day on the lake and no drinks? I say it was the river, and no. Lets me go thru......I prefer my weekday morning boat sessions by farrrrrr
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Old     (bschall)      Join Date: Jun 2007       05-12-2013, 2:07 AM Reply   
Glad youre safe homie!
Old     (slowwwflowww)      Join Date: Mar 2011       05-12-2013, 4:46 AM Reply   
I"ve had days like that.They remind me to appreciate the days that aren"t like that!!Look at it this way,maybe you got all the mishaps for the summer over with in one day
Old     (DealsGapCobra)      Join Date: May 2010       05-12-2013, 4:58 AM Reply   
Wow, what a trip. Glad there is no lasting damage.
Old     (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-12-2013, 6:20 AM Reply   
It's funny that people think they own a public waterway, especially a river. Hopefully, you didn't get a ticket. That's why I avoid the lake on most weekends too.
Old     (ktm525)      Join Date: Mar 2009       05-12-2013, 7:17 AM Reply   
This is why I like winter riding. No Idiots on the water.
Old     (Goonz)      Join Date: Sep 2012       05-12-2013, 1:16 PM Reply   
Reading stuff like this i am glad i am on a (too small) private lake.
Old     (Hooya)      Join Date: Aug 2011       05-12-2013, 1:58 PM Reply   
You have a DUI and we drinking n driving when you shouldn't have been and you are worried about someome crossing your wake. Priorities back to front maybe?
Old     (bschall)      Join Date: Jun 2007       05-12-2013, 3:04 PM Reply   
Brandons grown and know his way around the boat and the river. A few beers isnt going to ruin the day but a jet skier hitting a rider will. He also knows the consequences of his actions. Please dont play Mom on wakeworld.
Old     (bstroop)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-12-2013, 3:16 PM Reply   
Funny how both things are wrong but since he's your bud his discretions are acceptable. Good thing he knows his way around a boat and the river.....otherwise it would be against the law.
Old     (Gnargnar)      Join Date: Aug 2012       05-12-2013, 3:34 PM Reply   
I love how ww always finds a way to make anything negative. Thanks Broc, but I think this is going to become one of those 3 page threads that do nothing but provide a soapbox for people to waste bandwidth.
Old     (bstroop)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-12-2013, 3:55 PM Reply   
OK i'll retract my previous statement as it was too negative.

I'm stoked that you didn't get arrested. I'm not going to contribute to a three pager....but what did you really expect....congratulations???

I'm glad nothing happened to your boat
I'm glad you didn't get hit in the head with a sinker
I'm glad the jetskier didn't hit your rider
I'm glad you have friends that have your back and don't consider what you admitted to as hypocritical
Old     (Gnargnar)      Join Date: Aug 2012       05-12-2013, 3:59 PM Reply   
Hypocritical? Sure I "broke the law due to terms of California probation" but I DID NOT put anyone's life or property in danger. But thanks Brian, your mom is sure proud of you Internet instigation prowess.
Old     (bstroop)      Join Date: Apr 2005       05-12-2013, 4:09 PM Reply   
Hypocritical....yes. Everyone was in the wrong but you. Instigation prowess???

I'm really not instigating anything. I'm trying to understand why people post stuff like this on WW and expect everyone to give them positive strokes. If anyone points out the double standard they're a DB like me?

can you fill me in please? (with only positive comments :-)
Old     (Bam6961)      Join Date: Apr 2011       05-12-2013, 7:50 PM Reply   
Dam brandon! That just wasnt your day haha.
Good to hear all is well though and your boat is tank!
Old     (hillbilly)      Join Date: Aug 2002       05-12-2013, 9:40 PM Reply   
Gnar....I was thinking to myself...not the smartest move with the couple beers thing but it worked out.

But I would just razz you about it next time I saw you...lol

All waterways are going to be zoo's now on weekends!!!!!

Time to get started early and done riding by 11.....

Did you launch at Disco???
Old     (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       05-13-2013, 1:06 PM Reply   
wow, sounds like an incredible day. It was one of those times that you wish you could forget, but atleast you can be thankful that the cop let you through even after you lied to his face and was driving illegally. Hope that scared you enough to not drink and drive boats and cars anymore, seriously.
Old     (Hooya)      Join Date: Aug 2011       05-13-2013, 1:18 PM Reply   
I am sorry you saw the comment(s) as something negative. I think drink driving is a massive negative for other people who have to share the road. Any kids reading this....it's not big and it's not clever.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-13-2013, 2:01 PM Reply   
Good thing the probation office doesn't have the interwebs.
Old     (Gnargnar)      Join Date: Aug 2012       05-13-2013, 4:50 PM Reply   
Ok I do not condone drunk driving, or buzzed driving. But having a beer or two on the water equates to neither of those, I was with my family, it wasn't a booze cruise. Good to know there's still decent people out there who know the dangers of drunk driving.
Old     (bftskir)      Join Date: Jan 2004       05-13-2013, 8:45 PM Reply   
Gee you got lucky that you didn't get thrown in jail right in front of your family.


All those things that happened on the river are all more dangerous when the boat operator(s) had any alcohol at all, it's the thing that causes deaths. It's always the common link.

hypocritical.
Old     (Gotmods)      Join Date: Nov 2012       05-13-2013, 9:48 PM Reply   
You're not even on formal probation and if your alcohol classes are completed and you pick up a new charge you will be arraigned on the "probation" and at the show cause hearing they will dismiss the remaining probation. If you went through an evaluation service to get referred to alcohol classes that is your probation officer, that's the person who would show up to the hearing on a PV, and if they show you completed in their file the judge will dismiss it.

Now you would still have to deal with the new charge and I'm sure you learned the law is impaired not .08 so a dick cop could still drop a BS charge on you with any alcohol in your system and you would be in a new fight.

Not sure if you got diversion or a DUI on your first go around either, not that it really matters.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-14-2013, 6:44 AM Reply   
Let he who has Never broken the law cast the first stone. LOL

Sounds like you know where you went wrong and you know what to do different next time.


Go on a weekday! Problem solved
Old     (cadunkle)      Join Date: Jul 2009       05-14-2013, 6:53 AM Reply   
Illegal does not equal immoral or wrong. It sounds like the dude had 2-3 beers over a couple hours, hardly drunk by any standard. He harmed nobody so there was no crime. He violated an arbitrary law put in place by the nanny state but violated nobody's rights and harmed nobody. I don't understand why so many are so quick to berate the OP about this, and certainly without knowing more details. It's a non-issue.
Old     (Gnargnar)      Join Date: Aug 2012       05-14-2013, 7:32 AM Reply   
And boom goes the dynamite.
Old     (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       05-14-2013, 8:26 AM Reply   
Brandon, with that last comment ^, seems you are just itching for this to be a "3 page thread". What was the purpose of your OP anyway?

Look, you & Cory can argue all day long about the validity of the DUI laws. That's allowed - it's a free country. However, those are the rules in place, aren't they? That's just how it works in an adult society. We all break rules now & then. We all pay the price when we get caught. That's just how it works and how responsible adults have to deal.

I like to drive fast & push speed limits. When I get caught, I have to deal. There's a system & consequences for that. I can afford a ticket once in a blue moon. But when I get a few in a row, bet your ass I change behavior for a while.

The reaction you are getting about the end of your OP is that, given the consequences in place for your situation, most of us wouldn't take that risk. To some of us it's surprising that you would and mention it so casually. That's all. Why is that so hard to understand? Why are you taking it so personally? You put it out there.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-14-2013, 8:55 AM Reply   
or post about it on the internet where your p.o. could read it. I'm sure it's not a huge longshot that there's somebody from the sacto law enforcement community on this site.
Old     (ttrigo)      Join Date: Dec 2004       05-14-2013, 9:44 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadunkle View Post
Illegal does not equal immoral or wrong. It sounds like the dude had 2-3 beers over a couple hours, hardly drunk by any standard. He harmed nobody so there was no crime. He violated an arbitrary law put in place by the nanny state but violated nobody's rights and harmed nobody. I don't understand why so many are so quick to berate the OP about this, and certainly without knowing more details. It's a non-issue.
He broke the law when he violated the terms of his probation. The fact that he harmed no one is not the point. The fact of the matter is he violated the terms of his probation, by doing the same thing that caused him to get arrested the first time. Sure, I will have a couple beers or a glass of wine and drive. I do it a couple times a month. But I'm not violating any laws, since I have never gotten a DUI in my life. Should have in my younger years for sure.
I'm just glad him and his family got home safely, and what sounded like a fairly chaotic weekend, everyone escaped unharmed. I just hope the next time he chooses to drink and drive, he doesn't bring it up here on ww, and expect people to stay silent about it.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       05-14-2013, 12:09 PM Reply   
good lord.

Brandon, you should have known better than to share that detail. Remember where you are!
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-14-2013, 12:38 PM Reply   
I agree ^^^ but should we penalize Brandon for being honest or roll our eyes at the others for being over dramatic and trying to make 2+2=50
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-14-2013, 12:49 PM Reply   
G aren't you the guy who has posted several threads about stupid criminals who document their criminal behavior, share it with others, then get in trouble? The cop and the porn star, the world series bus vandal, etc.

So this is different because....?

I'm making no judgments about Brandon's behavior, but just pointing out that admitting to something that could land you in the slammer on an internet forum might not be as anonymous as one would think.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-14-2013, 2:22 PM Reply   
Shawn; thank you for proving my point. Your one of the guys that makes 2+2 = 50
The story that I posted in the non wake section months about the cop that pulled over a porn star and then filmed him self getting a hummer and the. Uploaded the video (he shot) of him in action to Her web site and then told his cop co workers about the encounter is a COMPlEATLEY different and IMO but I could see how a person Like yourself could link the 2.

I guess its funny and its human nature when 2 people can see things 2 different way's

Example I have seen people here on W/W refer to lady's out on a boat in a Bikini as 1/2 Naked!! While I refer to it is as a Bikini and standard equipment for a day on the water. Both can be correct depending on where you see it from
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-14-2013, 2:35 PM Reply   
It was the OP saying he was the one engaging in the criminal behavior. I'm just saying it's a bad idea for a grown up with something to lose to post that on the internet. If you can't see why that's a bad idea, then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Old     (Gotmods)      Join Date: Nov 2012       05-14-2013, 2:42 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by shawndoggy View Post
I'm making no judgments about Brandon's behavior, but just pointing out that admitting to something that could land you in the slammer on an internet forum might not be as anonymous as one would think.
It's summary probation! Even with a brand new charge the judge will ask two questions: are the fines paid? Are the alcohol classes completed? If the answer is yes to both of these questions a judge will dismiss the summary probation.

He will only end up in court on this if he is charged with a new offense, and that would be the outcome.

He can call his evaluation services (the person the court views as the probation officer) and tell him/her exactly what he did and absolutely nothing will happen to him.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-14-2013, 3:01 PM Reply   
Shawn If you think you could "throw Brandon in Jail" for what was posted here then you should stop what your doing now and become a Lawyer for the ACLU!
Thanks for the afternoons entertainment. Carry on,
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       05-14-2013, 3:10 PM Reply   
I'm pretty sure it's you towing the ACLU's position on this issue in this thread G. I'd clearly be a terrible ACLU lawyer.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-14-2013, 4:01 PM Reply   
Shawn Come to think about it you are 100% correct I would be taking the ACLU's position. "It's my clients God-given right to consume alcoholic beverages" How dare you try to infringe on his right! The beer is his medicine! Why would you try and take a man's medicine away from him. LOL
Old     (Bakes)      Join Date: Mar 2010       05-16-2013, 12:05 AM Reply   
Why are some of you defending his drinking and driving? Not really a nanny state to take away a privilege from someone who has previously shown he was clearly not responsible (DUI = clearly irresponsible). A nanny state would be if nobody could drink because someone else got a DUI. The fact the he thinks it OK to drive around with a 0.04 level shows that he absolutely has not "grown" from his experience. If he had grown, he would have been complaining that he couldn't drink because he had a prior DUI....not that he almost got busted again. I see more alcohol related pain in your future. Hopefully I'm wrong, but you are well on your way. I'm not sure you can be too negative when it comes to drinking and driving.
Old     (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       05-16-2013, 4:25 AM Reply   
BOOM goes the dynamite.

"If he had grown, he would have been complaining that he couldn't drink because he had a prior DUI....not that he almost got busted again."
Old     (pprior)      Join Date: Jan 2012       05-16-2013, 5:52 AM Reply   
I think it's a reasonable assertion that a man with already a conviction for DUI (which means he already could have killed or injured somebody by making bad choices) shows very poor judgement by drinking ANY amount and getting behind the wheel. He has already shown a propensity to have a problem with judgement and getting on that slipperly slope again (especially when it is known to be illegal) is just a foolish choice.

Not a scarlet letter, but drinking and driving is not a laughing matter. For me and my kids, and others, please let someone else drive if you're having drinks.

No judgement, no hate, just wanting everyone to be safe.

Also, consider living life in a way where you dont' have to lie about your choices - is much simpler.
Old     (Nordicron)      Join Date: Aug 2011       05-16-2013, 7:18 AM Reply   
I don't know i see the point some are making. You get a speeding ticket does the judge tell you that for the next 6months you have to drive 10mph under the posted limit?

I agree drinking and driving is bad and horrible things can happen. Not sure what the circumstances were that the OP got his original DUI for but if it was a only a check point violation or random stop and he blew .1 or some small amount thats diff than being like a .2 and plowing into somebody. I'm thinking it the lesser as he still is able to recreational drive in which case why the restriction? If its legal for me to drive and blow a .04 why not him?
Old     (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       05-16-2013, 8:02 AM Reply   
There's two discussions going on here. One, is whether you think the DUI laws are valid or fair. Certainly, that can be debated. (You could throw the morality issue into this part of the debate also.) But, breaking the laws and then throwing a tantrum about them is arguably one of the least effective ways to debate the laws' fairness (and one of the most expensive to the law breaker).

The second discussion is that given the DUI laws are what they are, how smart is it to let your driving privileges hang in the balance of a conversation with a policeman where you need to convince him that you didn't drink when you did, especially given the weight of the known penalties that could come down on you? If he didn't believe you and you got busted, who's fault would that be? The dumb people who made the laws that you already new about?

This isn't about a scarlet letter. If it was, I have mine. I've had my DUI because of dumb decisions years ago. But I learned more than a bit out of it. For a lot of reasons, I don't want to do that again.

Pprior spoke Word: "consider living life in a way where you dont' have to lie about your choices - is much simpler."
Old     (ttrigo)      Join Date: Dec 2004       05-16-2013, 9:41 AM Reply   
"If it's legal for me to drive with a .04, why not him"

Because youre not on probation for a previous DUI.

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