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Old     (bogartsomeday)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-09-2010, 5:15 PM Reply   
Alright, so i know that people arent aloud to advertise for their own companies on the forum which makes complete sense. But I just so happened to post a thread about my buddies boarshop that I just so happen to NOT work at and let everyone know of a great place to get new gear locally is. If any of you remember, the thread was called, "new and improved, Off-Axis Boardshop". Im pretty irritated right now because that threadt was taken down. For some reason, people are aloud to post threads about online sales going on on different online vendors, post events taking place in their area, and post information about board brands. How come I post a thread showin love for a local boardshop and its taken down???? So does wakeworld only support online sales and not the local shops??? Whats the deal because i honestly dont see the difference between advertising for spanky beavers last year, up coming INT's, local boat shows, CIE Spring Ride (thats nothin against you CIE boys cause i know a couple of you and your all cool as hell!...you should understand), BroStock, new cable parks, and etc and posting something about a local shop. The list keeps going! All these people have posted thread about all these things but what i put up was taken down. Here i am, being a good semeritan, posted something trying to make people aware of this local source to get all our gear and all the new things for sale at this shop and wakeworld shuts it down. NOT COOL!!! Theres no difference between my thread and A LOT of other threads that have been posted on this forum....our sport/community is all about supporting each other and helping each other out, idk what the problem is but in my eyes wakeworld just kept that from happening....im not very happy about this....
Old     (liquidmx)      Join Date: Jun 2005       03-09-2010, 6:09 PM Reply   
Cody...dont forget all the cats pushing the product the reps hook them up with. There is a TON of that going on too. Its a slippery slope for sure.
Old     (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       03-09-2010, 6:13 PM Reply   
Old     (benjaminp)      Join Date: Nov 2008       03-09-2010, 6:29 PM Reply   
I feel like Dave can do what he wants on his own site. And promoting events is different from promoting a specific shop in my opinion. The purpose of events is not just to make money. But again, Dave gets to make the call, so bummer.
Old     (wakeboardertj)      Join Date: May 2005       03-09-2010, 6:35 PM Reply   
I remember reading the thread and I get what your sayin but IMO the thread sounded a little too much like an advertisement.
Old     (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       03-09-2010, 6:59 PM Reply   
well i have gotten my threads nuked and my posts deleted countless times. Dont swet it man. Its just how it works. just watch what you say and how you say it. Better yet run it by Mr. Williams prior to posting it. i have done it before, he is a cool dude that will shoot it to you straight.
Old     (bizzuck)      Join Date: Nov 2005       03-09-2010, 7:07 PM Reply   
Sounds like great advice. Push some imaginary line as far as possible and then get permission. This should work well.

Last edited by bizzuck; 03-09-2010 at 7:10 PM.
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       03-09-2010, 7:07 PM Reply   
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i honestly dont see the difference between advertising for spanky beavers last year, up coming INT's, local boat shows, CIE Spring Ride (thats nothin against you CIE boys cause i know a couple of you and your all cool as hell!...you should understand), BroStock, new cable parks,
You honestly don't see the difference?
Old     (rvh3)      Join Date: Jul 2003       03-10-2010, 1:58 PM Reply   
Informative thread. Does Codi receive points for posting?
Old     (bogartsomeday)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-10-2010, 11:18 PM Reply   
Lmao nice one Rod (rvh3)!!! I probably wont cause i guess i "spitted" on dave.

Mark- Ya i guess i can call it a succes in some way, shape, or form! lol

Dave- "Paying for an online ad prob isnt the best investment to make....(previous) boardshops are already hurtin for money." This is not a slam to advertising on wakeworld. I did not direct that statement toward ads on wakeworld. I stated that paying for online ads for A BOARDSHOP prob isnt the best way to spend money given that they're already hurtin. Whereas online venders dont have to worry about keeping shops open and paying for pricey displays and etc. so its a little easier for them to fork the money over to put an ad up. I wasnt "spitting" on you nor wakeworld, i chose my words carefully to make a general conclusion/thesis and not "aim" at wakeworld. If i was directing it toward wakeworld then i would have said, "Paying for an online ad on wakeworld prob isnt the best investment to make." Im sorry, call me ignorant, but i dont see the contradiction in my debate. I see what you are explaining and your explanation behind my accused "contradiction" but theres a difference between a thread on a forum that people have an OPTION to click on and a blinking banner that pops out in someones face every single time they visit this site. Ya i admit that i def coulda/shoulda worded it differently to get the thumbs up but i also didnt throw out numbers regarding percentages on merchandise during sales, what hours of operation are, address, so on and so forth. But hey its your site, you made the rules, so we all have to obey. Ill make sure and keep my future "repping" to the other social networks. slap on my hand, my bad!

Face Planter- Websites arent for dictatorships, im not lookin to "do what i want". I love the site too but sometimes in this world things happen that dont seem like they should fly and people who dont always suck up to the big man (generally speaking) just have to say somethin about it to get things clerified.

Dave explained his rational behind the nuke and he doesnt need to explain anymore to me, i get his reasoning and thats fine. I now know the extent of what i can do on wakeworld is. Ive said many times before that i like wakeworld and dave does a great job. Some of you know that even someone who is great at what they're doing need to be asked a couple questions every once and a while rather than taking the path of least resistance and going along with every single thing that happens.

......i do wonder if this is an "informative" thread lol
Old     (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       03-11-2010, 1:51 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by bogartsomeday View Post
I stated that paying for online ads for A BOARDSHOP prob isnt the best way to spend money given that they're already hurtin. Whereas online venders dont have to worry about keeping shops open and paying for pricey displays and etc. so its a little easier for them to fork the money over to put an ad up.
you gotta spend money to make money...period. even online shops have to pay for advertising. if you don't advertise, how the hell are people going to know you exist?
Old     (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       03-11-2010, 6:12 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by bogartsomeday View Post
I stated that paying for online ads for A BOARDSHOP prob isnt the best way to spend money given that they're already hurtin. Whereas online venders dont have to worry about keeping shops open and paying for pricey display

Just pointing out the irony as the link posted above has affiliate links on it to Boardersmall which is an online board shop.
Old     (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       03-11-2010, 9:45 AM Reply   
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online venders dont have to worry about keeping shops open and paying for pricey displays and etc.
FYI - The major board brands all require that any "online" shops that sell their brand also have a brick and mortar store, so there really isn't any such thing as a strictly online shop that sells major wake brands.

"Online" vendors advertising on WakeWorld include Performance, The House and Tommy's. These companies have brick and mortar stores that they have to maintain, but they still manage to come up with ad dollars that not only help them to sell their product, but also help to bring WakeWorld to you for FREE!! These companies are all quite successful and have been with us for years. Tommy's has been with us for over 10 years! They might disagree when you say, "payin for an online ad prob isnt the best investment to make."

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Old     (buffalow)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-11-2010, 7:17 AM Reply   
Any press is good press right? Well good work Codi, I want to go to OABS right now! As they say in the marketing world, if you get people talking, we did our job!
Old     (bogartsomeday)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-11-2010, 9:49 AM Reply   
haha thanks buffalow!! They're great guys over there, im sure you'll be happy with them!

Ian- I dont see the affiliate links to boardersmall on this this thread/post....i know what boardersmall is, i just dont see the irony because i dont see the direct link. Idk, maybe im just confused, haha

Umali- I completely agree with spending money to make money. But you dont always have to pay for word of mouth directly and the threads on these forums are all "word of mouth". In an indirect way companies do pay for word of mouth obviously because they gotta put out a good product or service. But having a voice and using it in/on anything "isnt a crime".
Old     (tro)      Join Date: May 2009       03-11-2010, 10:08 AM Reply   
To the Original Poster:

seems like you should have just contacted Dave directly instead of creating a thread about this. your method of conveying your thoughts by creating this thread seems a little immature.

my two cents...carry on with your rant.
Old     (bogartsomeday)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-11-2010, 10:11 AM Reply   
Look, i get what you're saying...PAY FOR AN AD! But im not the guy to talk to about that given that its not my boardshop lol. Maybe in the future if i ever have a product tailored for us riders then I will consider the importance in advertising online. I didnt come on here complaining that we shouldnt have to pay for advertising. I posted a thread letting local riders know that they can now find all this new product somewhere local because all the boardshops in this area dont have these brands anymore and boardshops in this area are all sticking to snowboard sales. It got taken down because it was too 'salesy'. All I posted THIS thread for was to express my feelings that more than just the 'sound' of a thread should be considered and the intentions of the thread can maybe be considered more. This is evolving into a debate whether online advertising is legit or not and I just didnt come on here to do that lol. I was unaware that you cant be affiliated whatsoever to any company that your posting about which has thrown a huge limitation on some people on this site because this community is very small and 'tight-nit'. Like some of you have said, is a big gray area thats hard to judge the definition of threads like mine. So you all can keep throwing support out for dave and wakeworld and throwing ads in my face or whatever but either way, my opinions are my opinions and im sticking to them. Ill respect daves 'rules' like everyone else.
Old     (bogartsomeday)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-11-2010, 10:18 AM Reply   
Judge tro- Did you think maybe i wanted other peoples opinions about the issue no matter if i liked them or not??? Maybe i wanted to know if other people felt the same way i did i maybe see if i wanted more than just dave to explain their thoughts based on their personal experience.....thanks for your wisdom tro
Old     (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       03-11-2010, 10:19 AM Reply   
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im not the guy to talk to about that given that its not my boardshop
but when its your buddies/brothers/neighbors (which none of us know if thats the case) then YES THE POSTER IS THE PROBLEM.... unless OA told you to post that, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
Old     (bogartsomeday)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-11-2010, 10:23 AM Reply   
Nick - "im not the guy to talk to about that given that its not my boardshop".....that was regarding paying for an online ad....but hey thats cool if your all about pointing fingers lol
Old     (rbeckei)      Join Date: May 2007       03-11-2010, 2:01 PM Reply   
No, don't drop it, keep it going, this is great
Old     (buffalow)      Join Date: Apr 2002       03-11-2010, 4:20 PM Reply   
MB's are better than all other boat brands! Randy Harris goes bigger than Lyman! Shapiro does have style! Closed toe bindings suck! Did I forget any?

Can we now switch this insane discussion with some real drama
Old     (bogartsomeday)      Join Date: Mar 2009       03-11-2010, 6:05 PM Reply   
I BROKE 50!!! New personal record hahaha
Old     (jrich)      Join Date: Oct 2009       03-11-2010, 6:21 PM Reply   
Damn we ran out of popcorn!!!! somebody hurry.......pop another bag!
Old     (homedawg678)      Join Date: Jan 2007       03-11-2010, 8:57 PM Reply   
I just did more reading in this thread than I have in English all year.
Old     (skyler_25)      Join Date: Jan 2009       03-12-2010, 12:59 PM Reply   
That was the best way to eat my ultimate double cheeseburger meal! you got my props codi!

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