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cfisher 11-30-2003 6:39 PM

Greg Sandford landed his first backroll today and then managed to squeak out a second one as well. I'm still not sure how he pulled the second one out...take a look: <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.wakepics.com/view_single.php?medid=9536" target="_blank">http://www.wakepics.com/view_single.php?medid=9536</a> <BR> <BR>CONGRATS, GREG!!!!

blabel 11-30-2003 7:47 PM

A few comments: <BR> <BR>1. Congratulations <BR>2. That roll is huge <BR>3. Stick with this sport cause you know how to save yourself! <BR> <BR>

wakelvr 11-30-2003 8:13 PM

Geesh! Talking about saving yourself! NICE!!!

lehmur 11-30-2003 9:33 PM

Awesome work today Greg!

deepstructure 11-30-2003 10:22 PM

the second one? i dont know how he pulled the first one off!! amazing greg. awesome. and brian is right - those were friggin huge!

wakehype 11-30-2003 10:59 PM

dude that was huge, tell him to keep with it. <BR> <BR>Even if the landing on the 2nd one was sketchy, he gets himself around, and he will stick the landings on it soon i bet <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

norcal_99 11-30-2003 11:36 PM

Two sweet saves. Nice work Greg.

forwaken 12-01-2003 5:36 AM

Nice rolls Greg. The arse had to feel a little sore after those though!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/crazy.gif" border=0> How about the 180 Christie?

seattle 12-01-2003 5:56 AM

AWESOME! <BR> <BR>Killer saves.<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/lol.gif" border=0>

laptom 12-01-2003 7:06 AM

Why do I always let go in those circumstances? <BR> <BR>Congrats Greg!!! <BR> <BR>And how are the 180's going Christie?

cfisher 12-01-2003 8:29 AM

I made a lot of progress on the 180s yesterday as well, but I didn't ride one away yet. Well, unless the 3 second rule applies <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0> Maybe I'll post a quick video of my attempts later tonight! Chad - I actually saw the shore this time!!

dococ 12-01-2003 12:34 PM

Nice job, Greg! <BR>Way to stick with it! <BR>Sorry I wasn't there to cheer for ya, but I'm stoked that the hard work and punishment (I mean fortitude) paid off for you. <BR>Christie will have hers next!

gman100 12-01-2003 12:38 PM

Just wanted to thank everybody in the boat for having the patients with me while trying to land the backroll. Also thanks to all the readers for the comments. I am definately sticking with it, just need to stick that landing a little better.

solo 12-01-2003 1:41 PM

Greg, <BR>when coming out of your rotation, try looking for the shoreline. It should help your landings a bit. Also, remember, your body position when you leave the wake is how you'll land. Meaning if your squatting while leaving, you'll be in the same position when landing and butt check. Stand tall at the wake and boot it. Nice air for a first roll. Very impressive.

suprarider 12-01-2003 2:13 PM

Nice ones Greg! Is your arm still in the socket? <BR>Christie, I noticed you ride an Absolute, does it have really cushy landings like they say? <BR>Can you compare it to the Prodigy?

cdm 12-01-2003 2:59 PM

Good Job!! I see you easily converting that into a roll to revert. Just let go with your right hand, head up, chest up, spot your landing and pull the handle to your left hip. Check out instructional portion on this site or wakeboarder.com. Go for it!! Feels awesome doesn't it?

bean521 12-01-2003 8:08 PM

Awesome save Greg...that was great riding... <BR>!<img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/smile.gif" border=0>

cfisher 12-01-2003 8:21 PM

Chad &amp; Tommy - here are a few of my 180 attempts from yesterday. <BR> <BR><a href="http://www.wakepics.com/view_single.php?medid=9546" target="_blank">http://www.wakepics.com/view_single.php?medid=9546</a> <BR> <BR>Jim/Sharon - Yes, the Absolute has a very cushy landing...especially the 140. I only rode the Prodigy once, but I rode it at the same time I demo'd the Absolute for the first time. I got more pop on the Absolute, the landings were softer and I felt more 'stable' on the Absolute. Personally, I didn't like the Prodigy at all, but I didn't really give it much of a chance because once I tried the Absolute, I didn't demo any other boards <IMG SRC="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":-)" BORDER=0>

forwaken 12-02-2003 5:33 AM

arrrgghhh, so close. Wait till you finally land it, you'll be so stoked you'll also "feel" why you weren't landing them before. I wish I was good enough to offer any real advise. The only thing I could see maybe helping is that it looks like you are landing fairly stiff legged and keep leaning forward once you land. But what the hell do I know? <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/crazy.gif" border=0> In the immortal words of Joe Dirt, "Keep on, keep keepn' on" <BR> <BR>Chad <BR> <BR>(Message edited by forwaken on December 02, 2003)

laptom 12-02-2003 7:01 AM

The last ones looking real good Christie, you are very close!!! <BR>Starting rotation at the right moment, etc. But I think Chad is right. <BR>Perhaps it's an idea to ride more switch, and expecially on toe-side. Feel how the board handles and carves when riding switch/toe-side... <BR> <BR>I wish I could help you more, but I don't even land my 180's consistant.. <BR> <BR>Tommy

cfisher 12-02-2003 9:31 AM

Thanks for the tips and the encouragement! I have been riding switch everytime I go out and I am sure that is making a difference. It's only a matter of time now!!

wakelvr 12-02-2003 9:58 AM

Will you just land that s**t!!! Quit messin' with us!

jeffr 12-02-2003 10:20 AM

Greg… nice work! Looks like you are very close… great saves. <BR> <BR>Christie, Oh so close! <BR>Looks like you have all the pieces down… just not putting them all together in the same cut. Sure is cool how video helps with learning…. I need to get out the vid more often. <BR> <BR>Edging…Even on the ones where you were close to riding away on … it looks like you are still trying to ride out more on your heal-side edge when landing instead of edging away from the boat on your toe-side. Try working on edging away from the boat on your to edge while riding out in the flats to get used to being able to roll the board over on the toe-side. <BR> <BR>Handle… One pointer that helped me was pulling a bit on the handle as you come off the wake so when you land the handle is closer to you. You can see in some cuts the handle is way out with your arms strait… and in some you pull more and land with the handle much closer to your body. <BR> <BR>Eyes… Still looks like you are looking down when landing. Eyes on the shoreline. <BR>

solo 12-02-2003 11:13 AM

Christie, <BR> <BR>You're spotting your landings and it's throwing you off balance. When you look at your feet when landing, it turns your upper body just enough to throw you off balance. When coming down, spot your landing then look for the shoreline. This will drop you straight down on the water and ride away on your toeside edge. If you watch your video again you'll see your head looking down at your feet. This is why you're getting booted on your landings. <BR> <BR>Hope this helps.

jetgofish 12-02-2003 11:32 AM

Greg - maybe you can show me a thing or two. I've got the rotation, (sort of). Now I need the pop that you have!! <BR> <BR>Christie - The 180's are looking good!

gman100 12-02-2003 1:21 PM

Teri - I have been working a long time on getting the perfect form to get big air. That's pretty much what I worked on all summer. These are some of the things I do to get a big pop. There are a lot of them, what I did was focus on 1 each time I went out until it became second nature. It's almost impossible to try to do them all the first time. Some of these you probably already know but you asked so I will tell you. <BR> <BR>1. I cut really far out (some people are against this but I like it so I do it) <BR>2. Slow down <BR>3. Cut in slowly then increase my speed (in other words a Progressive edge) <BR>4. Lean back on my approach with my legs not to bent to much (this creates a lot of energy and tention in the rope, and sinks your board deeper in the water) <BR>5. As I go up the wake I straighten out my legs, stay on my edge, and throw my body up a little to let all that energy I built up on the rope and in the water with my board and use that engergy to launch me up in the air. (it's kind of like a leverage trick build up the engery then release it, think of yourself as big crowbar, the rope is your pivot point, keep it in tight at your waist.) <BR> <BR>I still havn't perfected it but it seems to be working so far

jetgofish 12-02-2003 1:30 PM

Greg - thanks for those pointers. I started this year off saying I'm going to land a backroll before the end of the year! I'm close but I haven't landed it yet. I'll focus on some of the key pointers you have. I don't have consistant pop and I have a tendency to throw to early or too late or just not at all (this would be the chicken wing effect). I too cut out really far (also because I like it), I've maintained and built a awesome progressive edge but can't keep the pop persistant. Again thanks for the pointers and keep grinding for perfection!

buttacup 12-02-2003 3:08 PM

Teri- no more half a$$ rotations there like last time..haha j/k. The last time we rode, you were getting some pop but it definitley wasn't enough like you need, which in result ended in a 3/4 rotation. You can get it, just like I can get my consistency down. My goal is to get a wrapped 3 down, I think I want to spin before I try inverts <img src="http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/clipart/wink.gif" border=0> <BR> <BR>(Message edited by buttacup on December 02, 2003)

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